2013 Senior Bowl Week

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  1. ToddPhin

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    Vance McDonald has a physical presence to him, a little Gronkowski to it.
     
  2. djphinfan

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    I wonder what the bills are gonna do with the Qb from Syracuse, the coach thinks it would be a match made in heaven apparently.
     
  3. ToddPhin

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    If we didn't have Misi & Vernon, Chase Thomas would be high on my priority list..... although I'd still draft him for value.
     
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  4. djphinfan

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    Goodwin gettin people excited, says speed is Wallace esque.
     
  5. ToddPhin

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    I'm glad Boyd is returning to Clemson b/c I'd hate to see him end up a Bill. It's bad enough Spiller is already there.
     
  6. djphinfan

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    Charles Davis echoing some of my respect for step Taylor..best back comin out of the PAC 12..

    Just took a good look at his body, he's not to small, thick core, strong and well built lower body, great hands, best pass protector, good running instincts, aggressive, and will fight to the whistle, whoever gets him is gonna be happy..would love for us to take him if he there's in the third..would spend a 2nd on Lacy.
     
  7. Bpk

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    Agree on Hunt. Biggest note I came away with from watching Hunt was that I love him from the waist up. Waist down, no thanks.

    Until we can start splicing torsos to different sets of legs and hips, ill pass.
     
  8. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Mayock agrees 100 percent.
     
  9. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Williams kid from Alabama is soft as butter..
     
  10. djphinfan

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    Lane Johnson says at 305 he posted to 40's at 4.7
     
  11. djphinfan

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    Ansah losin some steam
     
  12. ToddPhin

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    I think he has to exert himself too much since he's essentially playing on natural ability alone. Once he's able to use better technique, I think it'll save some of his energy.
     
  13. ToddPhin

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    I don't think Cornellius Washington (DE Georgia) is enjoying his time against Terron Armstead (LT, Ark Pine Bluff). First encounter Armstead pancaked him in pride-damaging fashion. Then in 11 vs 11 I saw Armstead laying on top of Washington again. He gots my attention.
     
  14. ToddPhin

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    He stuck his foot in the ground on an in route w/o losing much speed through transition.
     
  15. vmarcilfan75

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    Hows RB Johnathan "The Mayor" "Jetski" Franklin looking??
     
  16. MrClean

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    I don't think we can tell a whole lot of his cover ability based on these 1 on 1 drills. He mugs the WRs and commits PI on nearly every play.
     
  17. sports24/7

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    True, but I think he's still looked pretty good. I think Poyer has looked better though.
     
  18. ckparrothead

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    One of my favorite tackles. Especially in a zone scheme. That athleticism is highly evident on tape.
     
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  20. ckparrothead

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    Whether you buy Menelik Watson or not will depend on how you feel about Jonathan Martin. If you think Martin really is your left tackle of the future (which I'm not buying yet) then you can grab Watson and have him play right tackle and that would actually be a very good draft pick. But how good it is depends on the validity of your assumption that Jon Martin plays left tackle in the NFL...because there are some left tackle candidates in this Draft and those should be considerations if you're letting Jake Long walk.
     
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  21. djphinfan

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    not sure you agree, but the problem for me is I have no confidence that Martin can be a right tackle, so if we do draft a new left tackle what can we do with Martin?
     
  22. ToddPhin

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    that's why I thinking about kicking him inside to LG, especially if Yeatman is coming along and displays some promise at RT.
     
  23. djphinfan

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    Move Martin to guard?... If that's what your saying I agree..big time.
     
  24. ToddPhin

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    yeah, left guard. We need the interior upgraded to current scheme, so if a top tackle is on the board at either of our first 2 picks and he represents value, then why not draft him and address 2 positions with 1 pick, right.
     
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  25. Gunner

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    If we let Long walk and not sign another F/A Tackle, then I think we almost have to take a guy like Fisher at #12
     
  26. ToddPhin

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    What about Cherilus at RT, the athletic Yeatman at LT (if he can handle it), and Martin at LG?
     
  27. ckparrothead

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    Even though Martin was poor at right tackle I don't think he was really all that much better at left tackle and I wouldn't be prepared to give up on him after a poor rookie season. We always knews he had a lot of work to do on his body getting into shape and getting stronger. I'm not prepared to give up on him at right tackle yet, though I'm pretty sure someone like Menelik Watson would be a better right tackle.
     
  28. ckparrothead

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    Will Yeatman is just local fan noise right now. He shouldn't figure into your off season plans in virtually any way.
     
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  29. ToddPhin

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    Conner Vernon doing his Hartline impersonation in the endzone.
     
  30. ToddPhin

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    Anyone else think the center from Cal (Schwenke) looks like a young Incognito with long hair? Same build, nasty demeanor, tribal tattoo, and even look alike in the face.
     
  31. ckparrothead

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    No but as I've said I think Brian Winters has a little Incognito in him. A little Steinbach, too.
     
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  32. MrClean

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    If Long walks, does Lane Johnson become a serious consideration at 12th?
     
  33. ToddPhin

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    Fisher/Lane Johnson (LT), Martin (LG), Larry Warford (RG), Cherilus (RT) (trade Incognito, save some money)
     
  34. MrClean

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    The more I watch Fisher, he is not another Joe Staley like I may have said previously. IMO, he is closer to being another Andrew Whitworth.
     
  35. ckparrothead

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    I just re-watched Florida State versus Virginia Tech and I will say this about Menelik Watson. I have a lot more respect for James Gayle of Virginia Tech than probably a lot of other people right now. I think if he were in this Draft you could put him right up there with Corey Lemonier at the least. He should get better next year and be a fairly high pick, IMO. Watson pretty much shut James Gayle down...both in the ground game and in pass rush, including obvious pass rush situations. It was damn impressive. Menelik is a fresh JUCO transfer that came out early so it's not surprising that you don't hear about him much yet.

    I had two instances where Gayle got the better of Watson a little bit, but both instances involved some circumstances. One play involved a moving pocket with OLs all flowing right, and James Gayle cut to the inside immediately off the snap, where Watson was set to be helped by a tailback. Unclear if Watson actually did anything wrong there. Another play was 3rd & Goal from the 10, and Gayle faked the inside move and spun to the outside (pretty nice move, one of the reasons I love Gayle so much). Gayle got free of Watson but it's unclear whether Watson would've been able to recover enough to prevent Gayle from getting to the quarterback if he'd stayed in the pocket. Manuel didn't stay in the pocket though he rolled to the right, right to where Gayle could straighten his angle and pressure him without Menelik having a chance to get back involved. This is only a minor win against Watson, though the play ended with a vintage Florida State popped-up interception.

    Not all roses for Menelik. He had a false start on the first play of the most crucial drive of the game down 22-20 with 2 minutes remaining. He got beat to the outside twice by freshman 6'2" and 223 lbs DE Dadi Nicolas on a speed rush. On one he recovered enough to wash Nicolas behind the QB by a considerable distance, but if that had been a better rusher that could flatten out better then that could've been a sack. The other time did lead to a sack, because on a 3rd & 3, E.J. Manuel held onto the ball forever. Menelik stepped out too wide to handle Dadi Nicolas' outside rush, creating too big of a track for him to keep up with Nicolas. Manuel held the ball for too long then rushed off to the left away from Menelik/Nicolas and that turned the battle into a flat out sprint which Watson was never going to win going backward while Nicolas was running forward. Might be part of the reason maybe you don't put Menelik at left tackle.

    But James Gayle is a guy that Menelik Watson will face at the next level more than a Dadi Nicolas if that makes any sense, and there's no doubt in my mind he had Gayle in hand during that game. He also showed the power to block down against tackles and get movement, the mobility to get out to linebackers on zone plays, the awareness for zone protection, and the ability to step out to blitzers off the edge. He seems to me like he would be a heck of an asset at right tackle. When he punches you, you get knocked backward. When he gets his hands on you and gets those feet working, you move. And it's hard to get by him in pass pro. It got to the point where on obvious passing downs the Virginia Tech defense wasn't even challenging him anymore, preferring to go with overload concepts to the other side or down the middle of the line. That's how they got the sack on 3rd & 15 in the 3rd quarter.

    Incidentally...Corey Fuller had a really nice battle going with Tyler Hunter in this game. Hunter got in some licks with 2 interceptions during the game but Fuller got the better part of the battles. Took him to school for the most part. One pick was all on the QB not on Fuller. Logan Thomas was way late on the crossing route, and the window was closed. He should know better. But Fuller had a number of catches on Hunter and then also had a hell of a touchdown on a fade against Lamarcus Joyner. Hunter got the final say though on a game-sealing interception. Hard to say exactly what happened but I think Logan Thomas threw into a lane on the crosser that was being robbed from the other side of the formation, and the ball somehow squeaked by the defender that jumped it, which made Fuller loses his concentration on the ball long enough for his trail coverage Hunter to undercut it. Overall though, I thought it was a great game for Corey Fuller and shows what kind of pro he could become. He'll be as good as some guys rated significantly higher.
     
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  36. ckparrothead

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    Yeah I keep seeing that Joe Staley comparison and I can't help but think that has more to do with the uniform than it does who he is or how he plays. He might be as good as Joe Staley, if that's what people are trying to say. Lane Johnson is probably closer to Joe Staley than Eric Fisher.
     
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  37. ckparrothead

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    If I'm running things, yes. He's on the list.

    However I think with them running things, no. They'll like Lane Johnson for sure but if they let Jake Long walk I am about 95% certain it would be with Jonathan Martin in mind to take over at left tackle. There's a perception (justified or not, I say not) that Jon Martin did a lot better at left tackle than right tackle. Personally I think that perception was created by a combination of expectation and two good games against inferior competition. He got destroyed by Aldon Smith, gave up pass rush success to Jason Babin who probably hadn't rushed over left tackle much in years, and was absolutely destroyed once again by New England in the second go-around. Yet, the perception persists. And I think the Dolphins have that same perception. Perhaps it has its basis in a realistic view of just how bad he was at right tackle. Who knows.

    Either way, if Jake Long walks there's a 95% chance they roll with Martin at left tackle rightly or wrongly. That means they're in for a right tackle, not a left tackle, and that probably eliminates Lane Johnson even though he played at right tackle all through 2011 while Donald Stephenson manned the left tackle spot at Oklahoma. I don't think the Dolphins go #12 overall for a right tackle anyway.

    Menelik Watson does become a possibility from 2nd round onward, though.
     
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  38. djphinfan

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    Well, he was so bad at right tackle that when he went to the left it looked to me that just his footwork and coordination was just better from that angle, maybe he's not an ambiturner like zoolander..anyways, going from really bad to bad is tough for me to have hope for especially because I didnt want to draft him, I've said before, to me he has the body of a guard, seems like he can run a bit, he's terrible at pass blocking, why not move him to guard?
     
  39. djphinfan

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    What's the consensus on richie on the right side, if I remember some respected folks say he's better on the right?, not sure though, I like him on the left, thought he would have a good season there..but I swear I've read several times that the right is his preferred spot?
     
  40. djphinfan

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    Don't forget about Luke Joeckel..there looks to be three nice first round left tackles that could go high..good for us, pushing players down and giving us options to trade down..
     

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