2013 Senior Bowl Week

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  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    There's more than marijuana going on there. I don't know how many people in America check into rehab for marijuana. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess "not many".
     
  2. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    sure, but being a dumb *** isn't the same as addiction.
     
  3. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    You really think marijuana is the only drug he's been using? You think he checked into rehab for marijuana?

    [video=youtube;uUPHlAbAf2I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUPHlAbAf2I[/video]
     
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  4. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Yea, I was talking to my wife about Mathieu yesterday. She asked where I thought he'd go, and I said 3rd round at best IMO (and only if he had a good combine), but I wouldn't pick him there. Because the position he plays, CB, he isn't really good at. He's a playmaker, sure, and aggressive, with good ball skills, but he can't cover that well and has questionable speed IMO. I would be surprised if he ran real fast at the combine. If he showed the ability to convert to S (and the willingness to do so) I would think more highly of him (in regards to where to pick him), but otherwise I wouldn't take him before rd 5 I think (given what I know).
     
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  5. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    One of the ways to avoid jail is to go to rehab for marijuana. Which does two good things for the government. #1 it saves money from not putting pot heads in jail. #2 it allows them to use the statistic for people who go to rehab for marijuana as a way of showing that marijuana is dangerous.
     
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  6. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    no I think he's playing the part. Like when celebrities go to rehab to clean up their image when they get caught doing something embarassing. Plus, I think he needs mental help. And from what I read, he knows that. Dudes definitely got baggage.
     
  7. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Except he wasn't in legal trouble. He voluntarily checked in.
     
  8. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Was it voluntarily or "voluntary"?

    He is famous.
     
  9. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    What the hell does that even mean?

    What "forced" a guy that likes to smoke pot to go to rehab?

    I think this insinuation that the man went to rehab purely for marijuana is argumentative to the highest degree. It's the perfect example of, "Well, technically it could be true...so I'm just going to argue like it is true"
     
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  10. byroan

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    With Jeff Ireland, you never know.
     
  11. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    You haven't learned double quotes?

    Either damage control or he got caught and was told to either go to rehab or he would be arrested.
     
  12. ckparrothead

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    No police incident happened preceding his rehab check-in. He was free to check-in and check-out as he pleased. Which is why he checked out early instead of staying there.

    A police incident did happen AFTER his short rehab stay. Which makes him just plain dumb.

    http://espn.go.com/college-football...r-lsu-tigers-cornerback-arrested-drug-charges

    Fantastic. So he's not just a user of marijuana even after the **** hit the fan and he checked into and out of rehab, he's also a seller. "I'm not just a client of Hair Club for Men, I'm also the President!"
     
  13. unluckyluciano

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrann_Mathieu
     
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  14. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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  15. unluckyluciano

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    sure. I would go with what we know. What we know is he smokes marijuana.
     
  16. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Synthetic marijuana was what I kept hearing.
     
  17. Boomer

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    I'd take Mathieu but not until the fifth round at the earliest.
     
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  18. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    I don't see a coach kicking him off the team for being a smoker. Even if he kept testing positive. Not a great player. IMO, he was a dealer so that's why they let him go. And not just off the football team, but the entire Campus.
     
  19. ckparrothead

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    Either way, if you're going to seriously discuss Tyrann Mathieu's situation, there's no sugar coating anything. He saw a drug counselor John Lucas early in the summer of 2012 for reasons that Lucas would not go into. Then on August 10th after he was dismissed from LSU, Mathieu checked into Lucas' program full time for four weeks before leaving to re-enroll in classes.

    Much was made about him trying to get his life back together, in a mid-October SI article written about him. He had a baby set to be born in January. And then not a week after the SI article comes out, police knock on his door and find a marijuana grinder, a digital scale and 10 bags of high grade marijuana in Tyrann Mathieu's house. A baby on the way, his NFL future in doubt because of multiple failed drug tests that got him kicked out of the program, and he's still doing this stuff.

    So even if you believe he called in a rehab counselor twice just because of marijuana...then either the addiction problems are so bad it might as well be a worse drug, or he's just a blithering idiot that has absolutely no grasp of priorities.

    With him, it's about as bad as it gets.

    But the NFL takes chances on guys like that and sometimes they get lucky. The key is whether the juice is worth the squeeze. But Tyrann Mathieu, undersized and not very fast, is not going to play perimeter corner in the NFL. He won't be a starting corner. Could he be a safety? Maybe. But just because Jairus Byrd successfully made that transition while being similarly slow in the speed department, doesn't mean Mathieu (who is much smaller than Byrd) can. Mathieu has displayed such idiocy in his life that I wonder if he's got the intelligence and/or work ethic to make that transition.

    Frankly even if Mathieu were completely clean and didn't have a record, the 3rd round probably would've been his ceiling anyway. And he's the opposite of clean. The opposite of trustworthy. The opposite of smart.

    At best you're keeping tabs on him so that WHEN he goes undrafted, he would consider signing with your team as a UDFA. At that point you've gone low risk, moderate reward.
     
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  20. alen1

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    The biggest issue with Mathieu isn't that he's smoking marijuana -- most do that -- it's that he's unreliable.
     
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  21. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Bingo! Even without the drug problems, I'm not sure Honey Badger was more than a 3rd rounder anyway. He's a small, aggressive cornerback with safety speed and poor overall coverage ability. He has a big name because he makes a lot of flashy plays, but they don't show you the times he gets beat because he cannot turn and run with his receiver. Personaly, I have a hard time seeing him playing a role higher than nickle safety/special teams maven.

    Johnthan Banks is a much better cover corner than Tyron Mathieu.
     
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  22. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    exactly.
     
  23. gilv13

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    I don't understand anyone that would want to use a high draft pick on a guy that has little to no chance of starting in the NFL with the baggage he is going to bring with him. If teams want to use a 6th or 7th round pick on him to ensure he gets into their camp to see what he can do, I can understand that, however I would hate the thought of passing on guys that are equally or even more talented than he is without the baggage. If a team wants to burn a mid round pick on him, more power to them. I hope he gets his act together and proves me wrong. He was a fun player to watch, at least on the collegiate level.
     
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  24. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I think he's a UDFA guy. Let him go undrafted and then see if the groundwork you laid down right now (showing interest, visiting him at Pat Peterson's house, etc) pays off by inducing him to sign with you. At that point you've got no risk and moderate potential reward. But to use a draft pick on the guy, I wouldn't do it. I think it would send a bad message. A player being drafted is an honor. I don't think you want to be a team that sends honors at players that have done what Mathieu has done. People don't tend to see undrafted free agent contracts the same way...so it's less of a bad message.
     
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  25. Gunner

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    Ireland is holding a press conference right now. @AdamHBeasley is tweeting his comments. I can't find it on the tube anywhere

    One ominous tweet:

     
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  26. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Hah. Boy will that set some people off.
     
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  27. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Too mildly defend El Jeffe, what's he going to say?

    "Yeah, I really screwed the pooch on that one fellas. What was I thinking?"
     
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  28. emocomputerjock

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    Gibril Wilson may have heard that before.
     
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  29. ckparrothead

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    A lot of nothing for the most part.

    Did say something along the lines of we hope to be making some news before too long.

    I've talked before how they're very likely to use one of those extra picks in a trade. It's so hard to speculate what that trade would be that we haven't really fully explored the topic, but I do expect one.
     
  30. Nappy Roots

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    And was selling it. Even after he was booted from school and said he wanted to stay at LSU. That's my problem with it
     
  31. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Percy Harvin?
     
  32. Gunner

    Gunner Rock Hunter

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    Yeah but you know people are going to point to that statement as another example of how inept he is as a talent evaluator. If were him I think I would have stated it more like "we are hoping he does good things" than as a guarantee. For my part I hope he is right and Egnew comes in to camp with a chip on his shoulder, because you have to think he has seen that unidentified comment by a "teammate" saying he is a wuss and won't make the squad.
     
  33. ckparrothead

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    Not their style.
     
  34. Gunner

    Gunner Rock Hunter

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    What do you feel is more likely? A trade up or down in the draft or a trade of players?
     
  35. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    He will be cut in a week. Said the same thing about Pat Turner, Clyde Gates....etc.
     
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  36. Bpk

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    I wish they'd stop having meaningless Press Conferences.

    I agree that the dolphins have a high chance of moving a pick for an NFL starter. Been saying it for a month now. You consider that Jeff needs this team to play well this year to keep his job, and I just think he has to get an impact vet.

    Now that the season has been over awhile, he and Philbin have had time to assess our roster players, and get an idea of what's available in the draft and free agency.

    I think the only hold up in trading our #1 or maybe a #2 is that the other team may want to wait until after free agency, and maybe even into the draft to see what shakes out.

    I expect a pre-negotiated trade that is 'on hold' until draft day.
     
  37. ToddPhin

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    for trade or RFA? Cruz, Stevie Brown, Sam Shields are the notable RFAs.
     
  38. ckparrothead

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    A trade of players.

    But that's only because I'm still having difficulty figuring who would be offering to trade up with us and for what player. Not a quarterback. Not in this Draft. My best guess would be one of the top two corners since there's such a dropoff between Milliner/Banks (and possibly Rhodes) and the rest of the bunch. But then, Miami should be in the same boat, wanting a corner.

    Just think of what we know...or rather, what we've heard. It's been reported that the Dolphins did indeed have conversations about trading for James Jones. Section126 told us that he's been told reliably that they reached out to the Eagles and Titans about Jeremy Maclin and Nate Washington.

    They've been looking to aggressively fill the position but have been striking out. They could just continue trying to press until they find someone.

    I think Percy Harvin might be just a LITTLE too much baggage for them, because he's presented so many problems since being in the NFL.

    Mike Williams of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on the other had is a restricted free agent that is unlikely to be retained once he hits unrestricted free agency, because the Buccaneers will never pay him what he wants while simultaneously paying Vincent Jackson.
     
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  39. ckparrothead

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    Any RFA acquisition would essentially involve a trade because I think the teams are going to talk and come to an agreement like Miami and New England did with Wes Welker.

    Not Victor Cruz. Think...Mike Williams (a guy I know you love).
     
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  40. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    I thought the UFL folded, no?
     

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