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Discussion in '2013 GM League Forum' started by Mach, Jan 24, 2013.

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  1. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Your perception is off. You shouldn't rush to judge something you don't know anything about.

    Since you're talking about me, I figured I'd correct your error. I wasn't trying to lessen anything in regard to my salary cap concern; I only wanted it where it was supposed to be, not $6 million higher, especially when I was $8 million over the cap to begin with.

    Spotrac initially had an error with San Fran; they just fixed it. The league was supposed to based off ACTUAL cap hit numbers, period, not some arbitrary number that we weren't aware of in advance. There's no reason to needlessly be stuck with an extra $6 million in cap hit just b/c Spotrac made an error. Not to mention, there's a huge difference between Justin Smith at 9.8 million and 8.0M; one price makes him worth little to nothing in trade value, as well as makes it tougher to stomach keeping him. Ahmad Brooks at $1.6M higher ($6.6M rather than 5.0M) drops his trade value as well and makes him harder to stomach keeping, too, so it's not just about the money, it's about the impact of the falsely increased contracts. I could care less if a player is off by 100k or some sh*t like that, but when it's players who are borderline being too expensive, then there's no reason to have to keep them at a higher price just b/c Spotrac originally made an error.

    Doesn't matter now b/c it's all water under the bridge, but if you're gonna bring it up as if I was being petty, I'll certainly address it.
     
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  2. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    I think its silly to expect to change your salary every time Sportrac updates their numbers.
     
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  3. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    ahh, gotchya. No worries. Some sh*t has come up next month that might keep me from being an active GM. No big deal.
     
  4. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    in the past, there has been some time between the releasing of rosters/salaries and the start of the trade period. This year we made it only 24 hours. But IIRC, it's been closer to a week before... maybe I'm mistaken. Irregardless, there has been in the past a time limit to how quickly a GM can petition the league commissioners (GIK and Mach) regarding a player salary. There needs to be a time limit. If there's not, it's stupid. IMO, with Todd, we were well past this implied time limit. And perhaps therein lay the problem. It seemed to be implied, never explicitly stated any corrections to salaries needed to be brought up prior to the trading window.
     
  5. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Hopefully nothing to serious. Todd YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE. You were suppose to stop the Sith not join them!
     
  6. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    The numbers were off to begin with, so I'm not sure your point. The league was supposed to be based off ACTUAL NFL cap numbers, not Spotrac's numbers (which weren't listed until very recently). If the rules had instead said the league is going off Spotrac's current cap numbers, no matter what they are, right or wrong, then I initially wouldn't have said anything about it. Context, BK.
     
  7. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    I hear the dark side is where it's at. Not as many rules to follow over here. Besides, Boik can stay the chosen one...... since he likes to do sisters and all. :chuckle:
     
  8. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    oh lets just re-pick teams...



























    not
     
  9. 305

    305 Brawndo Club Member

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    Get off my lawn.
    I still believe you cheated on Gik with Mach
     
  10. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    :huh: I'm not sure where you get that. I already knew my cap in advance, and the discrepancy was brought up immediately, not past an implied time limit. I don't think I could've brought it up any faster in fact. The problem is it's the first time using actual cap numbers, so Mach & GIK initially weren't sure how to handle any discrepancies.
     
  11. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    wouldn't you?
     
  12. schisno

    schisno Well-Known Member

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    No need to beat a dead horse any longer. Here's the amount of cares at this point.... 0. Back to the game. (cares don't work as well as f-bombs.)
     
  13. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    the problem is that there isn't a reliable website that shows what the actual cap hit is, so we just make do, always been that way since the NFLPA shut their site down with that respect.
     
  14. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    I do to to..... unless the original Spotrac numbers are wrong, which in that case GMs should have a one time chance in correcting them if they're over a certain amount, like 300K and above. It's not like it's every player on the team; in San Fran's case, it would've involved only five.
     
  15. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    [​IMG]
     
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  16. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    Clearly there is only one option......we need to start the whole f***ing thing over. :shifty:
     
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  17. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Ha, that only works on your ole lady.
     
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  18. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Guys. Lets use some common sense here. Numbers will change over the next few weeks constantly. So lets not get into changing numbers AFTER a game starts. That's like playing a football game and the ref saying in the 2nd quarter "You know what..that touchdown we ruled the WR out off bounds and he wasn't in the first quarter. Lets add that 7 points now".

    It completely undermines the game and the hardline stance that was posted that the numbers we use are the numbers at release.

    You'll just open pandora's box and if you think you had drama with Todd before...wait till you have drama with a quarter of the players.
     
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  19. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    Irregardless isn't a word.
     
  20. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I'll make you say it when you have your mouth around my...
     
  21. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    I'd honestly do it, all the hard work's already done for me this time. :shifty:

    I think there's been some confusion with Actual NFL Cap numbers. What was meant was we're using cap numbers, not base salary, and the cap numbers we're using aren't made up, but taken from a site. Not these are definitively 100% the numbers used by the NFL.

    I never thought of a time limit before, mostly because I never expected so many salaries to be found to be off, nor for an entirely new amazing site to pop up. If I knew overthecap was in the works, you guys wouldn't have gotten salaries yet.
     
  22. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    mother's boobs? Fair trade.
     
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  23. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Next season then..and maybe a week after the Superbowl. Train's left the station now....don't start yanking tracks.
     
  24. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    whats this new amazing site again?
     
  25. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    I don't care what we do, I'm just presenting everything.
     
  26. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    :fry:
     
  27. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Ok well Buffalo is on record as against ;p
     
  28. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    it makes you wonder what their source is.
     
  29. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    guys who break contract details and stuff. And the fact spotrac has been adjusting to their numbers can only help their credibility.
     
  30. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    sometimes not all contract details are known though. if a team and agent are on the same page and don't want certain contract specifics laid out, you can have the greatest source in the world, but they aren't going to know every last detail in that contract.
     
  31. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    As noted by spotrac's extreme **** ups this year.
     
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  32. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    fixed

    :shifty:
     
  33. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    dboobs.net









    you can thank me later...... just wash your hand first.... and then one more time for good measure.
     
  34. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Ah...own it man ;p It makes for a good laugh now and then ;p
     
  35. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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  36. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    I'm going to get you all up to date here and then closing this thread.

    We chose Spotrac as our source of salary cap numbers simply because it was the best available resource at the time. We went into it knowing that it wasn't completely 100% accurate but there is no site that is 100% accurate... we can only work with what we have. The only site that was 100% accurate was the NFLPA website when they allowed salary information to be available to the public however that ended two or three years ago. Recently Mach ran into the guys at overthecap.com and he seems to think they are much more accurate and have a much better understanding of how NFL contracts work. This doesn't mean that we are switching anything this year but that we will likely use their numbers in the future.

    I don't know if you guys welcome change like I do but I believe innovation is a good thing for this place... next year we may implement cap penalties so it could get even more realistic. We want to keep things realistic while avoiding loopholes. I think we all want an accurate NFL simulation here but maybe that's just what I am hoping for.

    I just want you all to be aware that we are not doing any form of mass changes in the salary figures. However if mistakes are noticed with a particular player, we will certainly address it. This doesn't mean we will allow players who restructure their contracts to have new salaries but if Spotrac missed something such as Justin Smith having his signing bonus paid out in advance back in 2010 which means that $1.67M each remaining season is off the books... things can get complicated and easily be overlooked.

    Hopefully this clears up everything but you can always PM me if you need clarification about something. Now I think it's best we just move on...
     
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