2012 Draft Do Over
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Destroyerforum_veteranOPHas Tannehill going 3rd and Lamar Miller going 32. I thought Ireland was the worst GM EVER?
Edit: Vernon too at 15.
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Brasfinforum_veteran"Destroyer wrote:
Has Tannehill going 3rd and Lamar Miller going 32. I thought Ireland was the worst GM EVER?
And Vernon at 15th. Not saying I like Ireland, but his 2012 draft was pretty good.
"Destroyer wrote:
Has Tannehill going 3rd and Lamar Miller going 32. I thought Ireland was the worst GM EVER?
He's not the worst GM ever, but we're way better off without him than with, which is what counts.
And yeah, Ireland deserves partial credit for Tannehill, but Tannehill being at #3 in the do-over I think says more about how inept the Browns are than how good Ireland is.
"Brasfin wrote:
And Vernon at 15th. Not saying I like Ireland, but his 2012 draft was pretty good.
Yeah, let's see a do-over for the 2013 draft and Ireland will look pretty bad.
Brasfinforum_veteran"cbrad wrote:
Yeah, let's see a do-over for the 2013 draft and Ireland will look pretty bad.
Yeah, and I think we should credit the coaching staff for the development of these players, because all three were pretty raw coming out and all have made significant improvements since then.
btfu149forum_veteran"cbrad wrote:
Yeah, let's see a do-over for the 2013 draft and Ireland will look pretty bad.
He will look bad, but honestly the 2013 draft was garbage anyways.
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"Destroyer wrote:
Has Tannehill going 3rd and Lamar Miller going 32. I thought Ireland was the worst GM EVER?
And Vernon 15th..Thanks for posting.:up:
BlameItOnTheHenneforum_veteranTannehill and Miller were good picks regardless of how well they panned out. They needed a QB and Miller was good value in the 4th. The OV pick is still as much of a reach as it was 3 years ago.
Tin Indianforum_veteranMore to being a GM than just drafting. Yes he hit on a number of picks in the draft, but his 2013 FA class in particular was a disaster. I'm sure it was not just his fault, I'm sure Philbin had some imput too, and I defended him for a long time but in the long run we are better off without him. If he is so great, how come he is not a GM somewhere else now? Is he even working any where else now?
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"Tin Indian wrote:
More to being a GM than just drafting. Yes he hit on a number of picks in the draft, but his 2013 FA class in particular was a disaster. I'm sure it was not just his fault, I'm sure Philbin had some imput too, and I defended him for a long time but in the long run we are better off without him. If he is so great, how come he is not a GM somewhere else now? Is he even working any where else now?
After we fired him, he got picked up by Seattle for a month or so as a draft consultant. He's now a scout for the Saints. As a GM, Ireland is a failure (we were not going to be a perennial playoff team with a team he created), but he's not a bad scout.
Destroyerforum_veteranI've always felt our problem for the last 8 or so years has been coaching. Philbin and Sparano are/were both mediocre are best. Cam Cameron was just a train wreck. The only person on the staff I really like now is Lazor.
Edit: All of his drafts with a lot of good picks. I still think his worst pick was Pat White. I hated it at the time and I still do. I think that pick had a little to do with what coaching wanted to do. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1481460-miami-dolphins-grading-all-of-jeff-irelands-drafts/page/7
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Destroyerforum_veteran"Tin Indian wrote:
More to being a GM than just drafting. Yes he hit on a number of picks in the draft, but his 2013 FA class in particular was a disaster. I'm sure it was not just his fault, I'm sure Philbin had some imput too, and I defended him for a long time but in the long run we are better off without him. If he is so great, how come he is not a GM somewhere else now? Is he even working any where else now?
He's a scout for New Orleans.
Edit: Actually assistant General Manager : http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/20/jeff-irelands-saints-job-is-actually-assistant-general-manager/
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"Destroyer wrote:All of his drafts with a lot of good picks. I still think his worst pick was Pat White. I hated it at the time and I still do. I think that pick had a little to do with what coaching wanted to do. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1481460-miami-dolphins-grading-all-of-jeff-irelands-drafts/page/7
That article was written before his really bad 2013 draft. In 2013 his only good pick is Jenkins. Otherwise, everybody is a bust except Jamar Taylor (still a ?) and Dion Sims (average).
And given how valuable the 3rd pick overall is, Dion Jordan is easily as bad (if not worse) a pick as Pat White. I'll grant you though that Pat White as a player looked the most out of place in the NFL among high draft picks.
Fin Dforum_veteranIreland wasn't a bad evaluator of individual talent. He was very bad at building a cohesive team though and that was his downfall.
"Tin Indian wrote:
More to being a GM than just drafting. Yes he hit on a number of picks in the draft, but his 2013 FA class in particular was a disaster. I'm sure it was not just his fault, I'm sure Philbin had some imput too, and I defended him for a long time but in the long run we are better off without him. If he is so great, how come he is not a GM somewhere else now? Is he even working any where else now?
Don't get the wrong idea about me and Ireland. There definitely is no love lost there from me.:up:
FinsterNew MemberIreland was mediocre in the draft, at best, and mostly horrible in FA, with a few exceptions, he shouldn't be in a position to make those decisions, and he's not.
Why are we still arguing about Fireland?
Unlucky 13subscriberAm I missing it, or did he not include Russel Wilson in there? He thinks we'd rather have Foles?
PhinFan1968subscriber"Unlucky 13 wrote:
Am I missing it, or did he not include Russel Wilson in there? He thinks we'd rather have Foles?
No, he has RW going 2nd, and another team taking RT at 3rd...so he wouldn't have been available for us at 8th...in that scenario.
Brian Flores when asked about tanking: “Again, no we’re not (tanking). We’re going to try to win every game. I think that’s disrespectful to even say that.”
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"Unlucky 13 wrote:
Am I missing it, or did he not include Russel Wilson in there? He thinks we'd rather have Foles?
RW is at #2 in the do-over.
PhinFan1968subscriber"cbrad wrote:
RG3 is at #2 in the do-over.
He was #2 in the real draft, in their do-over scenario, they have Russel Wilson instead.
Brian Flores when asked about tanking: “Again, no we’re not (tanking). We’re going to try to win every game. I think that’s disrespectful to even say that.”
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"PhinFan1968 wrote:
He was #2 in the real draft, in their do-over scenario, they have Russel Wilson instead.
Yeah.. just a typo.. I fixed it right before you posted, but thanks for catching that.
I remember Skip Bayless arguing up and down that Brandon Weeden would be a better NFL QB than Tannehill...lol.
Dol-Fan Dupreeforum_veteran"NCPhinFan wrote:
I remember Skip Bayless arguing up and down that Brandon Weeden would be a better NFL QB than Tannehill...lol.
I do not remember many people being on the plus side of Tannehill. A lot of people thought he was a 2nd rounder.
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