2008 Mets!!! LETS GO METS!!!

I don't think they will do it, because I would think that Boston would ask for Pinto, or Lindstrom to sweeten the deal, Beinfest is usually stingy on deals.

If they pull it off...it could be the difference between the playoffs for them or not.

 

And how does any of this make the red sox better this year? It doesnt unless hanley is involved. The Red Sox have a chance to win this year. Thats why theyre not moving him.

At this point I will be surprised if they pick up that 20M option for 09 and 10 though...

 

if they put hanley in the deal (which they wont) i would kil myself....

 

right but what else does Florida have that helps the Sox this year?

 

Yeah, whatever happens with Manny (and I don't think he'll be moved), I seriously doubt those twin $20M options are getting picked up now. Someone will sign him for something like 4 years and $60M, more likely an AL team that will just stick him at DH.

 

Well, this is why a deal between those teams will not happen. If the Marlins swap Ramirezes, Larry Beinfest should be shot. Young, power-hitting shortstops who haven't even hit their arbitration years are a lot more valuable than old sluggers with attitude problems. Even if Hanley Ramirez sucks defensively, you can live with that because he's a tremendous hitting SS.

 

Pinto.

 

Pat's power numbers are actually better than Manny's, but Manny has a higher batting average. Neither one of them is going to win a gold glove in LF though. I don't see the Phils moving an old LF for an even older one. Phils would do better looking at getting another pitcher.....we have plenty of hitting.

 

Late last night, Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus had an interesting rumor:

If Sox pick up the tab, I could see this!

 

According to this we're passing on Ibanez until the price comes down: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=mlb_trade_deadline&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos2

Apparently seattle is asking Niese + another prospect. Id give them Parnell and maybe another prospect but they need to get off the crack. Niese isnt an elite prospect but Ibanez is 36, in a walk year, and a terrible fielder. Hes not exactly elite either.

 

I'll shoot Minaya myself.

 

Buster Olney, Steve Phillips, and Peter Gammons have a 2-3 hour special on all the Trade Deadline moves and make it sound like there were going to be all kinds of deals and then not much happens. I think the whole trade deadline thing is just media hype. Many teams win the World Series by standing pat and not giving away the farm.

 

Looks like we'll be doing something via post deadline waivers if we do anything unless something gets announced late.....

 

Minaya addressed the media, and no mention of a deal. I assume that we've got what we've got at this point.

 

If its true the Pirates wanted Fernando for Bay and then took that from LA and Boston its no wonder nothing got done....Those kids arent bad but they are far from elite prospects.

 

It's the downside of not having a lot of good B-prospects in our system. The dropoff from Fernando to everyone else is pretty big, and I think the drop after Kunz and Niese is big, too. I don't blame the Pirates for asking for Fernando; I just don't see a package of something like Evans, Parnell, and Niese being as appealing as what they ultimately got.

 

LoDuca is on the waiver wire....LOL.

 

Funny how that works. Catchers in their mid to late 30s drop off quickly? Who knew?!?

As a side note, I ripped the Milledge for Church and Schneider deal at the time, partly because I didn't think that even a deteriorated LoDuca could be worse offensively than Schneider, and yet Schneider has been poor, but not embarassing, at the plate, and now that they're teaming him with the wildly underrated Ramon Castro, it's a fairly successful platoon. And Church has produced more in half a season than Milledge has all year.

I think Martinez will be special. I share your concerns about promoting him too fast, but he's got absolutely tremendous potential. Moreover, they haven't even started the clock on arbitration with the kid, meaning they get him for 6 years at cheap prices. With Bay, you get 1 year and 2 months at a reasonable price, and then he's looking at a 6 year, $100M type contract in all likelihood. You can't fill out the lineup with 8 high-paid guys; somewhere in there you have to get cheap production.

I see your point; Bay could have put the Mets over the top, so go get him! (Kind of makes you wish we hadn't traded him for Jason Middlebrook and Steve Reed.) However, at some point, you need to allow the farm system to flourish and let it produce players. I wouldn't have flipped out if we'd traded Martinez for Bay, but I wouldn't endorse it, either.

 

Ya but Bay put up his stats in Pitt; no guarantee he can duplicate that in NY. Just like you find flaws in Fernando Martinez theres flaws with a guy like Bay as well. Except Martinez has the chance to be a star where as Bay does not....

 

Actually I think the fact we dont have a lot of good B prospects is a complete misconception of the Mets farm system. There are 4 players hitting over 300 in the Eastern Fall League, widely regarded as a pitchers park. 3 of those guys, Murphy, Evans, and Carp are on the Binghamton Mets. And thats before Fernando has enough AB's to qualify.

Niese has developed a cutter that hes using very effectively and looks like the real deal. His ascent is fairly remarkable as he was considered a fringe prospect at one time and now is widely regarded as having the upside of a #2 pitcher. Kunz is the closer of the future and has had success in big spots already closing out 2 college world series for Oregon State. Parnell is the only one of the group that doesnt really impress me.

From what I have heard and read the Mariners and other teams were asking for 2 of those guys for mediocre players or guys at the end of their contract.

 

Niese looks to be scheduled to make his debut august 11th vs Pitt. http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/2008/08/niese-headed-for-debut-against.html

Also, Im going to throw it out there just as conjecture but it might be nice to sign Livan hernandez in case something is seriously wrong with Maine. Maine's start Sunday is to be skipped, not sure when hes supposed to be back.

 

As much as I hate to say it..or even think it..this team is starting to resemble the Randolph Mets again. Waiting for the long ball...not advancing runners..bullpen blowups. Man I hope I am wrong but the past few games I got that same frustrating feeling of them NOT doing the little things to win games.

 

Dan Murphy called up. Starting in LF, looks like his AAA career lasted 1 day lol. Per Adam Rubin, NY Daily News Blog: HOUSTON - Daniel Murphy's Triple-A career lasted one day. The 23-year-old prospect is expected to join the Mets for Saturday night's game against the Astros, the Daily News has learned.

A 13th-round pick in 2006 out of Jacksonville University, Murphy is perhaps the Mets' top minor-league hitter, rivaling teenage phenom Fernando Martinez. He's mostly played third base in his minor-league career, but has also seen action at first base, second base and left field this season.

 

Who was dropped to make room for him?

 

Marlon Anderson to the DL

 

Thanks...Marlon has been HUGE disappointment with the bat and the glove this year.

 

Not a problem. And for the record I agree. Marlon happens to be a favorite of mine, everyone has a favorite who isnt the best player on his team but you like the player anyway....but hes just not producing in the role hes been successful in, in the past. It happened last time he got a 2 year contract also. Obviously the guy gets complacent.

 

First off I am sorry to quote myself but hate to repeat it. HOLY COW! Are we kidding ourselves? Where do we begin? The inablity to manufacture any runs? The inability to protect ANY kind of lead? The need to use the entire bullpen just to get 6 outs? Santana should be close to 15 games won..Heilman and Wagner have EASILY cost us about 12 games this year...12!. Who do you see that comes out of that bullpen that you have any confidence will get the job done? Its like watching groundhogs day watching these games.
Someone tell Castro that that play at the plate was a force play..no need for a tag...its not against the law to get a hit with men in scoring position...That the look on Heilmans face only makes people MORE frustrated...that it would not be a cardinal sin that MORE than one guy can get hot at one time. Finally...that a pitcher will not EXLODE if he throws more than 100 pitchers...I SWEAR...I do remember as a kid pitchers did it...I do have witnesses.

 

I have never seen a team where when THEY get the bases loaded ...they are at a DISTINCT disadvantage....WOW!

 

PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES

 

Oh testify brother. The official stats: Wagner has blown 4 saves in games Johan has started, and heilman has cost 2 additional wins on top of that and feliciano 1. Thats just wins that the pen blew for Johan. I dont even want to look at the rest of the games because its got to be downright depressing. The only ones I have confidence in are smith and Kunz. I would happily dump our entire bullpen for a roll of two ply and a 40 of old english though right now ill settle for a 12 oz of Sam. Freakin terrible bullpen we have goin on.

I mean, I know relief help in general right now is hard to find, as is pitching of any kind, but this is the same exact crap that cost us the division last year.

The only thing I would disagree on is pitch count as 5 of the last 6 starts the starter has gone more then 100 pitches with pedro's 87 pitch outing in his return being the exception. And at this point we do need to be careful with pedro and pelfrey for different reasons.