Yeah he did, we came from behind in this game, another faulty premise shot down. He also led us to 13 4th qtr pts.. There goes another one.
Who was our QB on that 21 play drive? Yes he was part of the 4 losses. He's the one who botched the onsides kick against Denver. He's the one who allowed Denver to drive down the field and score after that.
Great drive. I don't think Miami is going to make the playoffs relying on 21 play 94 yard drives (4.6 ypp). Then there were the other drives... 40, 32, 12 (int), 9, 6, 4, 4, 3 (int), 3, 0 yards...(not counting the 0 to end half and -2 to end game)...7 drives less than 10 yards. So take out 94 yard drive which was AMAZING and the other 10 totaled 113 yards (11.3 average) resulting in two interceptions. As good as the 94 yard drive was the other drives, as a whole, were equally bad.
QB is number 1 priority, period. This shouldnt even be a discussion and I hope the Miami front office agrees. Matt Moore is a great backup.... that's it. This season only proved that our team is fine and that Henne was the problem, Moore was able to run this offense fine. We need to stack the chips on the table and find a way to get a QB that can lead this team to title contention.
Which one was the drive that put us into the lead? You keep bringing up faulty premises, they keep getting knocked down by Moore, what is the next one?
I'm ot 100% on Moore, but to ignore the good, only bring up the bad, is fun because oore keeps shooting them down. Last week it was "has not beaten a team with a winning record!" then it was "has not brought us back in the 4th qtr!" Now it appears to be "he's just a backup" is the argument, he took over a 0-7 team and led it to 6 wins.
not sure if it was already mentioned, but if Rodgers had started and gotten the same 6 TDs, would he not have the season TD record? Darn you Aaron why didn't you play!!>!
You are right, today he was part of a 4th quarter comeback. I was wrong on not including that previously. Come on, Miami only scored 15 points that game against Denver. You really think Moore could carry a team on his arm? Where is the proof of that? Take a look at how poor of defenses he played against this year. When Miami did well was when the defense set him up with turnovers, Bush ran well and Miami got to play against poor defenses and teams when the teams were on losing streaks.
Let it also be pointed out that this is the same Jest team that beat us like a drum on MNF in September, now we catch them on a must win gm for them, and take the win from them in the 4th qtr, which shows how much Moore has improved over the course of a season. Do you consider the Jets a "poor defense"?
I didn't say "has not beaten a team with a winning record!" He beat the Raiders who traveled 3,000 miles and are 8-7. He didn't bring Miami from behind in the 4th quarter until today...which had a lot more to do with the defense getting turnovers than Moore leading Miami to a victory. He DIDN'T take over a team that was 0-7. He took over a team that was 0-3 and tied 0-0 in the 1st quarter against SD. Here are the wins: Buffalo twice - 6-10 against Buffalo during a 7 game losing streak KC - 6-9 Washington - 5-11 Oakland - 8-7 NYJ - 8-8 These defenses rank 19th, 20, 22, 27, 27 and 29 in ppg given up. I am really supposed to get excited about Moore be sold he is our franchise QB b/c of this? Seriously... I get that Miami hasn't had much since Marino retired, but to anoint Moore as the answer...WTF? He hasn't EARNED it. Heck, Henne was 7-6 when he relieved Penny two years ago.
I honestly haven't seen a single person anoint Moore as the "answer" or claim that he's our franchise QB because of what he did this year.
what is it with our fan base???? If we really like Flynn as a UFA and can pay him a fair and reasonable amount to come in and battle for the position; do we have to bash Moore and degrade him to justify the reason for adding a QB? If we draft a QB, do we have to bash Moore for the same reason?
I'm mixed on Moore. On one hand I am OK with him being the starter opening day but I am not sure he is a long term fix. He has definitely had his moments this year. I do know one thing, though, and it is that Matt Moore made this season exciting when it appeared we would go 1-15 at best. He made the games more than bearable to watch, and for that I thank him for his 110% effort each and every game.
Miami had "ONE" awesome drive. What about the three times the defense gave Miami's offense the ball in NYJ territory and the drives were 0 yards, 3 yards and 9 yards all resulting in FGs. That is why Miami really won today b/c the defense won it. Moore had 135 yards on 35 passes (4.2 ypa) today, 2 interceptions. He did have a 1 yard TD pass. He was off target most of the day on short passes. Had he led Bess at the one that would have been an easy TD. He even threw the ball behind Clay on the TD pass almost allowing a defender that fell down and is a backup LB almost knock it down. Do you really think Miami won today b/c of Moore and his stellar play?
after watching Sanchez pretty much handcuff the jets I really hope we trade up for a qb just hope we don't miss like they did. If we end up not having the balls to trade up and somehow Trent Richardson is still there I draft him he's just way more talented than Thomas.
Moore is good, but you should want to get better. We shouldn't even debate it. He doesn't suck...but he's not amazing either. We still kick too many FGs...we kicked a damn 58 yarder today, on a normal day you would miss that and we would have lost the game even after our defense came up with multiple turnovers. And we still lose to teams with winning records. We need to strive to be the best. I would love to take a chance on Peyton Manning, who could be released in a month or 2 since he is due a huge bonus by the Colts in a month or 2 from now. If he gets healthy ($hit even at 90% I'd take him), we would be scary. And every seat would be filled for every home game. With Dolphins fans.
Dude... one interception we had a total of NINE seconds on the clock until the end of the first half. Another interception, we ran the ball three straight times then kicked a field goal. The other interception, he hit Bess for a few yards then missed on a pass to Marshall. I don't see why you're upset with Moore here about this.
He also brought Miami from behind to take the lead in the 4th against Dallas, but the defense let us down in crunch time. In the rest of the wins, we jumped out ahead every time and then cruised to the win, like KC and the first Buffalo game, or held on at the end like the 2nd Buffalo game. He hasn't had that many chances to bring the team back in the 4th qtr.
Same D that let in that cheapy TD to force the onside kick attempt? The one awesome drive? Griese Marino Pennington He topped them all, longest in history, he also has the single gm QBR record for the dolphins./
QBR has only been in effect for this season, so that's not much of an argument IMO. If you meant passer rating, Fiedler has a 158.3 passer rating in a game (thanksgiving 2003 vs Cowboys), which is the most you can have.
The irrational Moore bashers will say the drive wasn't that impressive because the yards per play were low. Maybe he also has the 2nd best as well. 133.3 is really good too.
You have a point. I may be little overkill to balance out the overly enthusiastic fans that give Moore a lot more credit than he has earned. He is a great backup that can lead Miami to a win if they play against average to below average teams on losing streaks when the Dolphins defense plays really well. But that gets a team 6-7 wins a year. That isn't bashing, it is just reality.
Seriously, you think the defense isn't the reason Miami won today? Is your point now that Moore is better than Marino, Griese, and Penny? How am I supposed to respond to that...
Let the 2012 off season war begin: We have the Moorenites versus the Nonbackupers. Beauty is, there is no consensus and there is probably no right answer. It's all tit for tat and we have numerous month's to debate, the glory of a Dolfan.
I agree. That's why we need to get a new QB. Unfortunately, that QB is not Matt Flynn. Flynn hasn't taken a meaningful snap in years, making him a black box of sorts. It's very hard to evaluate where he is as a quarterback or how he'd project to whatever offense we'd run next season. (Tough to imagine Daboll and Dorrell returning, though I think Dorrell is worth retaining.) Weeden has more recent experience and looked better as a college QB, and his talents project nicely to the NFL level. He's a superior option to Flynn, IMO. As for his age, he has low football mileage on his body, he's physically mature, and the combination of improved sports medicine and rules protecting the QB make it very likely that he'd give you roughly a decade, give or take a season, of very good to elite quarterbacking. We should be ecstatic to have that.
Suggesting we need to pick up Matt Flynn over Matt Moore is one of the most bizarre things I've seen here in a while. It seems way more like it's psychology than anything even remotely related to football. It's like we need to have Matt Moore change his hair or something and then re-introduce him to Dolphins fans with a shiny bow on him, and that's what people really need.
Defense, ST, and Offense, without that 12 min drive, do we win the game? Those guys had 10 yrs or longer careers, so that would be a bit premature, however his performance speaks for itself, he did some things those guys never did and deserves credit for so doing.
I totally agree with your statement. I also think if a team is going to get to the playoffs regularly and make a run at the Super Bowl they need a quality QB that can up his game when the team needs it. When has Moore done that this year. That 94 yard drive was a team drive, not a Moore drive. Miami is 6-7 behind Moore this year. They haven't beaten a really good football team. Where is the proof Moore is the guy? Looked like it against NE last week in the first half, but then the second half happened.
Really? Tell that to the Lions. Funny that when Flynn throws for six tds and 480 yards, it's the offense and the receivers for the Packers that are the reasons why. Yet when Aaron Rodgers does it, he's the league's MVP. Could it be that the Packers have a great starting quarterback in AR and a solid backup who one day just maybe earns his way as a starter somewhere in this league? I wouldn't say that. I would bring Flynn in with the notion that he's going to COMPETE for the starting job. Having two good quarterbacks is better than having one. You need them both to get through the season due to injuries MOST of the time. I like Matt Moore... I like Matt Flynn... I'd like them both to be on our roster next summer battling for the #1 job.
haahahahahahaha..... Moore, Flynn, and Weeden all on the 2012 Miami Dolphins = the ultimate Battle Royale!
As for #1 priority, it's head coach... and then bringing in a coaching staff that can maximize our players' talents.
Miami's defense gave Miami's offense the ball at the 40, 36 and 25 of the NYJ on top of 8 other drives. Honestly, with good QB play the game should have been out of reach in the 4th quarter. I am not knocking the drive...it was a great drive, but it was only "one" drive. The other 10 drives resulted in 113 yards. Serious? Moore is 27 and has previous starting experience. He is okay, but just okay. We are talking two HOF and the most accurate QB in history (may have changed after this year). And you are putting Moore in their category? Moore is a better scrambler. But then he fumbles the ball negating that advantage. What credit other than he is an average, at best, QB? It is just reality. It is easy to say only 9 interceptions in 13 games, but add in 6 lost fumbles and he is over a turnover a game. And it isn't like he is Houdini in the pocket...36 sacks. What am I missing?
mention that quarterback position and it becomes a circus... A. We don't have to trade anything for Flynn B. Matt Moore is under contract for 2012 and will be in camp, unless he chooses to holdout C. We don't even have a coaching staff... doh...
