Do you guys agree... there's a big difference between Tua in '23, throwing guys open, and the quick anticipation. That was also his superpower, also uncomfortably in the pocket. Good video breakdown in the episode.
That's when nobody had figured out yet that all they needed to do was take away his first read and clog the middle of the field.
Right. at this point it's blatantly obvious that what was going on. It also explains the very abnormal offensive production they had.
Yep. That and there's also the fact that I recently mentioned, he has a lot of hardware in his body holding him together as well as a damaged brain from all the concussions on top of already very low wonderlic score.
Funny last time you said that I broke down the tape for you and then nothing. Crickets. Even the analyst said the same during the broadcast the one read thing was stupid. That being said, he isn't playing well and there is a noticeable lack of zip on the ball. But you're like a broken records with a scratch in it. Maybe actually break down the game film sometime. You might actually see what's going on. But it's not really about that for you it would seem. Resume the Tua sucks commentary that infects every string. But hey maybe there's someone in the Fins universe here that doesn't know your take. Oh and water is wet.
Not trying to instigate, this is a legitimate question, what is the actual difference between what he posts and what say, you post, other than you're on opposite sides? Like you don't like that him, me, and a couple others dispute that he was driving that offense. I get that. But when we see people trot out that season as evidence, of course we are going to bring up that it was a new innovative offense. You say now that the problem is Tua isn't playing well. Sure, I agree, he's not. The question is WHY isn't he playing well? I don't believe it to be only one answer. It is a confluence of factors. I think his hip is shot, he was already weak armed, now he's got concussions also, and then you also have an offense that has been figured out, and garbage players on the oline.
The difference is that in every string it's brought up. The same thing. Over and over again. And then where you're factually proven wrong, doesn't matter still the same thing.
The whole team is playing bad, especially the defense. This isn't limited to Tua. That tells you something. It's the coach (and GM) more than any individual player. Tua is playing scared. What the hell is that in year 4? Probably coaching because he wasn't like this before.
I don’t think it’s that simple, Tua really seems „broken“, no velocity in his throws and having happy feet when he shouldn’t have. I think there’s more to it then just coaching, Tua looks different and not in a good way.
Again, I can make the same claim to you That's what I'm saying. Your issue with me and others, is our same issue with you. But you don't see what you're doing as an issue. The difference is, I don't think that you should stop posting your opinion.
Post your opinion. Welcome it. Just not the same thing in every string. Every string. The same thing. Just sayin.
You did not factually prove anything wrong. I and others have said Tua is a a one read QB who is not good when he is forced to progress through his reads or create on his own. You proceeded to argue that he was progressing through his reads in the Indy game as shown in game film, all while ignoring the fact that he sucked in that game! Which proves my point that he is not good when you take away his first read.
I did respond to you in that thread. You ignored my response. Again, saying Tua progressed through his reads in the Indy game proves absolutely nothing, becasue he was terrible in that game. He is not good when he can"t have his first read. That is what Indy gameplanned around and it worked. Which is exactly what X said.
6th in 2nd read passes. We're not saying he's playing great, were just blowing up this narrative that he's a 1st read only guy. The game tape proves it. Now the above stats prove it. You're like Kimmel. I didn't really say something that everyone else except my cronies doesn't know that its not true.
The Miami Dolphins are 0-3 to start the 2025 season, and quarterback Tua Tagovailoa is receiving his fair portion of the blame. That’s part of the franchise quarterback’s job. When the team performs poorly, most people will point to the quarterback as a problem. However, it doesn’t seem like Tua disagrees with some of the takes around his play. “I haven’t played anywhere near the standard that I’ve played in years past,” Tagovailoa told reporters Thursday. “Knowing the standard that I can play to, it starts with me. With the offense, getting our guys going, and then the defense getting to feed off of that. So, I wouldn’t say I’ve been playing my best football yet.” Tua’s assertion that he’s not playing up to his standard isn’t remotely surprising. All of the numbers back up his own claim. He didn’t play in Week 3 last season because he was hurt, but this year would be Tua’s worst passer rating, completion percentage, yardage total, average yards per attempt, and touchdown-to-interception ratio through three weeks since the 2021 season. Tua also has been sacked eight times already this season, which is a career high through the first three weeks of the season. There is, of course, the lack of big plays to talk about. Miami’s quarterback has completed just four passes for 20 or more yards this season that traveled at least 20 yards in the air. That’s down from 13 in 2023 and 11 in 2022 through the first three weeks. Instead, Miami’s offense has been mostly checkdowns. Tua seems to think that’s the right way based on how teams are playing the Dolphins. “Every game we have opportunities to take advantage of,” Tagovailoa said. “It’s just about seeing it right. Going about that process in the right way. Sometimes, you can’t always take those opportunities or those shots or whatever it is off the play based on what the defense is doing. In that regard, we’re trying to take those opportunities when they come.” Two-high coverages are nothing new for the Dolphins, but they’re seeing more of them this season, and a lot more variations. Tua Reflects on Injuries Besides being critical of his own play, Tua also spoke about how his injuries have affected him on the field. He’s been banged up, going back to his time at Alabama, where he had two tightrope ankle surgeries “I think one of the biggest changes I’ve felt is with the surgeries I’ve had,” Tagovailoa said. “I can feel some of the residuals within my ankles. I was running a little different when I was at Alabama — it’s just not the same. I think that’s normal, given the injuries and everything that comes with the sport.” Besides his ankle injuries, Tua’s also suffered multiple concussions and hip injuries, along with other injuries to his fingers and ribs. Now, Tua has to balance trying to make a big play — something Miami’s offense needs — with protecting himself. “As a competitor, that’s always tough because decisions are made in split seconds,” Taogvailoa said. “Whether I’m going to dive or slide or whatever that looks like to get a first down or try to manage the style of play, where ‘OK, is this one where I go for it? Do I or do I not?’ That’s kinda what I’m getting to with the split decisions. “I’ve leaned more on protecting myself, and if we’re going to go for it on fourth down, then we’ll go for it on fourth down.” Tua is saying all the right things, and there’s no doubt protecting himself should be the priority, but if you watch his answer, it’s clear it’s something constantly weighing on him.
Are you special? Do you not understand that saying Tua has progressed through his reads this season (because teams are focusing on that now and forcing him to) proves absolutely nothing if he is not actualy doing well when having to do that? We have teams specifically gameplanning around the fact that Tua is not good at progressiong through his reads or creating on his own, and its working.
Again, one more time. Progressing through his reads (because teams are specifically gameplanning to take away his first read) proves absolutely nothing if he is not.actually good at it. You used the Indy game as an example of him Progressing through reads, all while.ignoring the fact that Colts players themselves said their gameplan was to take away his first read and force him to progress through reads. It worked becaue in fact Tua is not good when you take away his first read and force him tl progress, think on his feet, or create on his own.
But I showed you he was hitting his 2nd reads. Just because the 2nd read isn’t a large chunk says more to the game plan the his inability to hit those second reads. Once again please actually watch some game film and break it down if you really want to know what’s going on. Instead of just recycling something you heard from someone one else.
Why don't you respond to my posts directly? So you can later say "crickets" ? Lol. One more time, showing him make a few 2nd read passes, does not mean he is good at progressing through his reads and not relying on his first read. It's not a gameplan issue, he misses open recievers all the time. The problem is he does not have the ability or confidence in his arm, body and mind to make the tougher throws, think on his feat, or create on his own. You all keep trying to put this on Mcdaniel and blame everyone but Tua. Numerous teammates have said exactly what the problem is with Tua, but all you Tuanoners want to burry your head in the sand and act like Tua is great. He is not.
He has one of the highest completion percentages in the league. I’m not acting like he’s great. You’re just factually wrong and have been shown as such.
You have not proven jack squat. His own teammates recognize him as a one read QB who does not do well if he can't have his first read. That is exactly what the Indy game proved. Oh he completed a few passes (mostly check downs) to his 2nd read, so what?
I've always wanted to believe in Tua. With that said, he is absolutely to blame for the way this season has started and even the biggest of Tua/positive Dolphins fans can admit that. I'm officially ready for us to start over at the quarterback position. It would almost criminal of us to ignore the quarterback talent in this upcoming draft. Tua is on the hottest seat he's ever sat on at this point, and I'm going to say that barring him playing like a league MVP from here on out, it's time to draft a replacement. I hope I'm wrong and he turns it around, but I think we're dealing with a player that may simply already be physically wrecked despite still being in his 20s.
This is actually maybe the best point of this. Crowing about his completion percentage (which is meaningless due to throwing so many short easy passes) while the offense is complete dog****, is crazy. It's a last ditch effort to not have to admit being wrong. Everything about Tua is a fraud. They all latched on to predictions and misapplied stats to convince themselves he was the guy.
Being winless seems to bring out some head scratching points of view. While I try to be respectful of others' points of view, I don't understand some of these points of views based on the arguments being made. First, I think we can ALL agree that the Dolphins are playing horribly. The teams looks like a monkey fooking a football with their pitiful performance through 3 weeks of the season. We can all agree on that, can't we? But some of the arguments being made...I don't get it. They make little sense to me. I know we have fans who are critical of Tua and he definitely deserves some criticism, the criticisms of his play are so contradictory that they make no sense. TUA IS A ONE READ QUARTERBACK This one really confuses me. There have been many points made that defenses have figured out that if you take away Tua's first read...if you jamb Hill or Waddle at the line of scrimmage, he has no place to go with the ball. You've taken away his first read. Well, if that's the case, why is Tua's completion percentage so high? "Well, he's dinking and dunking to the check down". Well then that obviously means he's going through his progressions; X isn't there, Y isn't there, dump off to Z. That's not a "one read" quarterback...unless your contention is the check down receiver was his first read. Tua is going through his progression. It's an argument that contradicts itself. TUA MISSES OPEN RECEIVERS This argument doesn't pass the simple eye test, if one if legitimately LOOKING at the plays as they unfold. It's a beyond reproach fact the Dolphins offensive line is one of the worst units when it comes to pass protection. Over Tua's career in Miami, he's consistently had the least amount of time from the snap to applied pressure. PFF has had the Dolphins offensive line ranked near the bottom of the league in pass protection. Now, while I wish Tua would step up in the pocket (when it is there) when pressured, it's only common sense he's going to miss open receivers. The man is scrambling away from a pass rush the offensive line is supposed to be keeping at bay. DEFENSES HAVE TUA FIGURED OUT While this has some merit however, it's also factually incorrect. If Tua was the offensive coordinator drawing out the plays, that criticism would have merit but don't forget, Tua is merely trying to run the offense that's being called for him. Some of Tua's tendencies may have been figured out, but the offensive scheme is what has been figured out and that lies with McDaniel and his inability or unwillingness to make adjustments. To lay so much of the blame at Tua's feet for the season's disappointing opening is not a realistic point of view, especially when it's blatantly the entire team has played so poorly. The Dolphins did elevate their play against the Bills but is it enough to salvage the season and turn things around? I don't have much confidence in it happening.
You just proved my point. If he’s going through his progressions, which a one read QB wouldn’t, he’s hitting the other options which typically are the dump off passes. It’s like you guys just don’t watch the film tape or understand what’s happening. He’s missed several open people and has sailed too many passes. It looks like the zip that he had previously had has diminished. but the tape and stats says you’re wrong on the 1 read take.
