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“Lowering the head to initiate contact with the helmet is a foul."

Discussion in 'Other NFL' started by Galant, Mar 28, 2018.

  1. Galant

    Galant Well-Known Member

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    "It didn’t appear on last week’s (supposedly) comprehensive list of proposed rule changes. By Tuesday afternoon, however, it passed with a vote of 32-0: “Lowering the head to initiate contact with the helmet is a foul.”

    The rule came from Proposal No. 11 of the Competition Committee, which had made only 10 proposals in advance of the annual meetings.

    Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the process began in Indianapolis, during the Scouting Combine. Last week, discussions continued among the members of the Competition Committee, with Saints coach Sean Payton (a first-year member of the committee) being very supportive of the rule.

    As of Sunday, presentations began to be made to coaches and General Managers. Discussion occurred during Tuesday’s meetings, with the vote and announcement delayed to the afternoon due to efforts to firm up the language of the rule."

    As of the morning session, however, support for the rule change already was universal among the owners and coaches. Which confirms just how seriously the league is now taking the effort to get the head out of the game whenever and wherever possible.
     
  2. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    On the brighter side, at least are cheaper investments than full pads and a helmet for the future of the NFFL. (National Flag Football League)
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  3. Nappy Roots

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    This is going to be such a **** show.....I am tired of it already. Slow games down. At least 3-4 players ejected a game.

    Have the people making these rules ever stepped foot on a football field? How on earth are you supposed to not lower your head when getting, A. Lower than the defender, and B. Lower than the runner. I get the launching with the crown of your helmet, I get it....This...is abysmal
     
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  4. Galant

    Galant Well-Known Member

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    I think the key phrase here is "...to initiate contact with the head". Which is going to be rather tricky to prove. One might aim with the shoulder and then a change of direction leads to head to head contact.
     
  5. Galant

    Galant Well-Known Member

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  6. #1 fan

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    Just what the NFL needs. More play stoppages and rules no one understands.
     
  7. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    The players will adapt, and this is frankly how it should be taught in lower levels to begin with (and has been more recently with things like the Head's Up initiative). It's just emphasizing form tackling vs. full speed collisions. The biggest hitters are going to struggle, most will be fine.

    They just really don't want to see more Ryan Shazier incidents out there.
     
  8. jpep13

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    Guess players will be ejected getting to Brady.
     
  9. Galant

    Galant Well-Known Member

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  11. Galant

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    A lot of these calls, so far, seem to be poor calls. Could be horrible.

    I'm 90% convinced the only way they're going to be able to remove the head entirely is by ditching helmets completely, and possibly even the pads.

    Thoughts?
     
  12. Tone_E

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    I think this should also be given to RBs who do exactly what defensive players can't do to them. It's a BS rule and yet another subjective and discretionary call that can have huge implications in a game, like PI.

    And for that 5% conspiracy theorist in me, it will allow the NFL to *control* the games to an even greater degree. :)
     
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  13. Carmen Cygni

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    Honest thoughts? That's the stupidest suggestion possible.

    Emphasis will continue to be on tackling, not hitting, with your eyes always fixed on your target.

    Remove the helmet and pads, you might as well just put the flags on now.
     
  14. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree I drink your milkshake! Club Member

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    Myself I think the problem is not with the rule but with the implementation.

    I like the rule. The NFL players go for big hits and a lot of injuries are due to unnecessary hits. Plus it should make for better tackling.

    My problem is the NFL reluctance to have video officials and 100% going with guys on the field. Watching a television I can see if the penalty was called correctly easily and wouldn't add time to the game. A lot of the time it is obvious.
     
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  15. Galant

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    Definitely. I don't think most people have an issue with not leading with the head, but more the poor calls that will ensue since the plays happen so quickly and line if sight will be an issue at times. That's the reality right now, so that's the problem I think most people have.
     
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  16. Galant

    Galant Well-Known Member

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    If the aim is to prevent head trauma due to impacts when tackling this would undoubtedly work. It would essentially have the players kitted out like rugby players and force all players to be more careful and focused when tackling. Having the "protection" of a helmet and padding naturally leads players to be more careless. When your only protection is technique you pay more attention.
     
  17. Carmen Cygni

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    You're dismissing line play where the majority of helmet to helmet collisions occur. It's more than just the contact that happens during tackling. Lineman, and the line of scrimmage in general, is what greatly separates the two sports of rugby and football. LOS play, the explosion and power of offensive & defensive lineman in such a small space, is a primary reason for the need of helmet and body padding.
     
  18. Galant

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    I'm not dismissing it, I'm just focusing on the tackling rule which doesn't really apply to line play.

    In terms of removing helmets as a solution, which I'm not necessarily advocating so much as considering, perhaps they could be retained for linemen. Not sure it would be need though. Again, removing helmets would automatically lead to players taking care of their heads and how they position them.

    As for rugby, they don't have line play in the same way but they do have the scrum, rucks and mauls, which all get pretty up close and personal and very rough.

    I think conceptually the point is that helmets and padding tend to get used more as offensive weapons rather than protection, and might also make players a bit clumsier with the added bulk.
     
  19. Galant

    Galant Well-Known Member

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    Quick search for full contact football with no pads and I found this:

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/04/06/helmetless-tackle-football-no-pads-full-contact-a7fl

    https://www.thinkprogress.org/can-this-new-football-league-be-the-savior-the-sport-needs-10800c1f022/amp/




    “If you want to prevent concussions, take the helmet off. Play old-school football with the leather helmets, no facemask,” former Pittsburgh Steeler Hines Ward said in 2012. “When you put a helmet on you’re going to use it as a weapon, just like you use shoulder pads as a weapon.”

    "Nate Ebner, a safety on the New England Patriots, agreed with this due to his experience playing rugby without a helmet. “Everyone playing the game has an understanding that no one has a helmet on, so it’s kind of a group effort to keep your head out of the contact area,” he said. “As a tackler you have to use your shoulders, your body, and you can’t just dive in with your head.” (While rugby has had its own problems with concussion protocols, it is generally considered much safer for the head than American football.) Legendary coach Mike Ditka has suggested the same thing."
     
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