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He also throws like a 5 year old girl. I dont see how anyone could watch Tua and not see a giant sack of turd as a QB.
Watsons contract isnt THAT bad because the Texans pay his signing bonus. It's still a heap of cash but we would only be taking on his base salary.
Yes, let's keep the useless QB with no potential as our starter. Great idea! We can go 6-10 next season for sure. Maybe.
I think this should be a poll where you can choose multiple options. #1 would be ideal but is unrealistic. I'm also fine with #2 or #3.
The reality is Watson wont end up here, it's just a hope I'm clinging to so I don't have to watch that disgusting piece of trash Tua take another...
The thing is I believe even a good HC doesnt survive picking a dud at QB. So honestly I'd rather be the Chargers. It's harder to find a star QB...
Yep, after the draft is over your status means nothing aside from how hard it might be to get rid of your contract if needed. My list of musts...
I always question promotion after a firing of their "boss". I believe we let our OL coach loose correct? Not saying it's a bad move but I'd be...
Sure they can hope for teams, but anyone who is the "face" of the league is going to drive up that market and sell jerseys at a similar rate. I'm...
They know X amount if money is flowing to one side and that the odds need adjusting in order to net them money. Stop thinking Vegas is something...
The NFL doesnt give a rat's *** who the face is as long as its pulled from an acceptable place. If Allen became the new face tomorrow the NFL...
Wow you quoted some statistics. I watched the games, I dont really care about statistics I care about the circumstances behind what happens on the...
I'm not going to sit here and argue with you making points that have nothing to do with what I said. I was very clear about what I said. If...
Do you just like saying illogical things? Parker is one of the best receivers in coverage in the game. He literally doesnt need separation, just a...
No, just another example of you stalking my posts while lacking clear logic. Winston was a negative at QB. He brings your team downward. Any...
Just to pick at one thing, you needed hindsight to know Jamarcus Russel or EJ Manuel werent first round talents? I dont think that requires...
Oh I'm not saying it's easy or that Watson isnt better than most or all, he is. I was just pointing out that list isnt entirely awful and the...
Tampa was pretty stacked offensively. Their problem was Winston being a TO machine. I dont think their success is entirely attributable to Brady....
This is just my 2 cents but I think Parker was one guy unhappy with Tua. His body language on all the throws over his head, missing him ect his...
I wouldn't say that list is terrible honestly. You can boil that down to the fact some years there isnt a sure QB readily available and they get...
I'm pretty sure. My work has to do with sports merch and the leagues and the main office of our customer that has the licenses is in Tampa so I...
If the SB wasnt in Tampa I wouldnt mind the Bucs winning it.
Gase for offensive cocaineinator!
You have a lot more faith in Tua. We will see I suppose how things play out.
Even if it was something like.... Watson for Tua, #3 our best 2nd and a first next year? I'm not saying that would or wouldnt get it done, but...
Idk about you but I have 100% confidence in my ability to analyze a QB. We all get some wrong, but I'm right way more often than I'm wrong. I have...
I dont get what you're saying. Watson is currently 25.
That's a fallacious argument I dont even need to combat. Your opinion is that noone thought something. Sounds like an impossible burden of proof...
Should be interesting to see how he does at the NFL level.
Not sure why people make this comparison. It was clear after Allen's rookie year he had the building blocks to be an elite QB. You all get caught...
Tua doesnt even have abilities to build on. With other passers you could see they had some sort of ability. With Tua it's like watching Cleo Lemon.
On paper that's a tough schedule. Tough like if the season started tomorrow I could see us going 8-8 or worse. Thankfully the season doesnt...
Honestly being such a control freak he might make a better college coach than NFL.
Hes not that tiny. It's actually a decent frame because you can build on it with NFL strength and conditioning. I expect he could get up to about...
Even if I had hindsight I wouldnt pick Brady in the first round. Hindsight also tells me his relative value to other teams at the time. It's not...
My opinion is obviously to move on. I didnt see a single thing that made me go "Wow this guy has skill X that translates really well into future...
Of course its pending a lot of things on the Houston side. I dont expect he will be traded but even if he was it wouldnt be until a new HC was...
So if you're Houston and you like Tua, I thi k that gives us a leg up on any team. It's not often you can get a QB prospect you like AND the #3...
Multiple honestly. Why would I let someones rank dictate how I can talk to them? People are all just people, none of us matter even the slightest bit.
I would honestly trade the pick straight up for Watson. Texans get their pick back and Watson is happy to be out of Houston. He seems really...
We set records this year by drafting the first female QB in the NFL. To top it off it was a 7 year old girl. After those two slides yesterday...
Neither can Tua soooo
I'm taking a QB if possible. You dont often get a chance for an immediate redo.
Its Andy Reid.
It doesnt take special talent to evaluate a QB. Even if I nailed every evaluation no team would make me their GM. That isnt how life works. The...
Preaching to the choir on that one. I had Tua as the 3rd best QB but a 2nd round talent. I've never been sure how anyone could watch his film and...
Colts just went up 2 TD so our season is over. It was fun. Still dont think we have a QB though.
Our season has about 9 minutes left in it living vicariously through the Jags.
It's unlikely but not entirely impossible.
Jags making it close almost makes it hurt more reliving what I know will be our season ending twice. Hope they can pull it off somehow. Just doubtful
Looking like our year is done, Colts up 10-0 which isnt insurmountable but: 1) Its the Jags 2) The Jags are getting manhandled and should be...
Haha I'm chilled out now. I dont like him but I ld rather have a QB than not. I'm just really not convinced he is at this point.
I still hope the Jags pull one off. I'd love to see Tua one more time. One more chance to flash and not look like crap objectively in most games.
That felt a lot like pur playoff game against the Jags.
My thoughts? Put Tua on the bench. Put the bench in a vault. Put the vault in a helicopter. Fly the helicopter over the ocean. Drop.
Lol I'm good. I still want to draft a QB though.
Maybe if he didnt play like a little ***** I wouldn't call his sorry *** out for it. I hate Jesus boy. He needs to GTFO out of Miami.
I still hope the Colts lose. If we win in the playoffs great, if Tua is awful yet again hopefully our front office will be smart enough to take a...
If we stick with Tua next year I will not be a Dolphin fan anymore. Not cheering on a pansy ***** I'll take a break from football. What a little girl.
Watching Tua slide on that play made me so ****ing angry. I'm done with this guy forever what a little pansy ***** with the season on the line....
Tua misses a wide open receiver and gets picked. Fitting end to the year.
Tua needs to stop being a little ***** and turn the corner. Play like you want to win. Sliding isnt winning.
Man why cant we play the opposing teams backups all the time.
Looks like we are relying on the Jaguars to keep our playoff hopes alive.
No, thumbs are a silly silly complaint. A strong enough arm to make NFL throws is a legitimate worry.
Being called a hater for saying that since before the draft. His arm is weak if he can step entirely into the throw which is rare in the NFL.
I should have said can run from backups.
Calling Doctor Fitzpatrick. Calling Doctor Fitzpatrick. Sorry but the doctor isnt in today.
Oh come the **** on Ford.
Trashovailoa can run at least.
Game is over but I'd still like to see us fight.
Well that's a fitting end to the game. Tua got unlucky in return for all his previous luck.
It's like a replay of the KC game except the QB left the game. We will see if we can pull it off this time.
I saw a lot of off defense but yes it looked better. Again though only when we are down by a lot.
Defense needs to wake up.
Wtf kind of play was that 3rd down?
We cant kick a FG here. Just cant.
I wouldnt call Parker a shifty WR like the announcer did lol
That's how you throw to Parker.
Right now though we shpuld all be massive Steeler fans. They are only down 10-6 at halftime they have the best chance to win. Not counting on the...
The funny thing is if we score out of halftime we still have a punchers chance if Allen is out. It would take Tua putting on his big boy pants...
I dont care about stats. I evaluate play on the field. It was clear Tannehill always had the skills to be a really good QB minimum, to me anyway....
Game. Please draft a decent QB at #3 Tua is not it. Not even close. Not just today but literally every game until the defense goes soft like KC....
It's honestly like watching Cleo Lemon or something again. Not John Beck bad but not good.
I'll just be honest, the offense doesnt even look like it wants to play with Tua back there. It isnt just Tua, everyone just brings more energy...
Right but in a game thread we are reacting to the game. The season has high points and was great but this game is discouraging. .
Well that more or less ends our chances I think.
It's not really over 8f we score because Allen is done I think. We can bottle up a backup QB. That punt return hurts though.
If we score a TD here its not over simply because it seems like Allen is done. It wont be a satisfying win however, but I'd take it.
To be fair, have you seen anything to feel overly positive about? It's just realism to be negative sometimes.
If they didnt flag that I was gonna be pissed.
Unleashing Tua with the 1 yard pass!
This next drive needs to result in a TD. Period.
That was a horrible hold on the return right before he got to the punter.
Unless the offense comes to life pretty quick it's not looking good.
If we go down 14-3 it's basically over. Fitz isnt here to save us today.
Glad Wlkins smacked the crap out of him. Sorry but I like tough football.
Tua has had his good moments but this pattern is getting really concerning. The only play we seem to run well is the short dump off to the TE.
Tua needs to actually move the offense.
I guess we got sone space to punt so that is good.
That punt was dangerous for us. Damn.
Man if Tua hits him in the chest he picks up some nice yards after on that slant.
3-0 after the turnover gift. Not bad not bad.
That one was on the line for sure.
Dedication to the run today it seems. Hood if we can get it going early. Should make things easier for Tua.
Tell you what, if we dont make the playoffs I hope an NFC East team finishes 6-10 (unless they play each other?) and wins the Superbowl. It would...
Time to tear em apart let's do this! No holding back and no regrets!
Not being able to pull the trigger on throws because you cant determine who is open isnt a laughing, joking or improving matter and has ended...
Just about every team loses a game they should win each year. We also won games we shpuldnt have.
I thought of making it but I dont want everyone to think I cursed us by breaking tradition lol I guess this thread is it like others said.
I doubt the Marlins can make the playoffs again so feeling meh about this year lol
Where is the game thread?!!!!???!!!
Herbert was the other option and as of now the correct one. If it was chess we were in checkmate before the game even started.
I dont think the first portion of your post is logically consistent at all. I can interview someone and try to win now while seeing as much of...
Not really. It's still important to know THIS YEAR what you have in Tua. If he goes out and ****s the bed I expect a QB drafted. It's not a vote...
The idea that Fitz is an INT machine is a false narrative. His TD to INT numbers have been solid almost his whole career minus one year that was...
Tua has basically had a couple good games so far. I'm not as down on him as I was, but I dont think any case can be made that he gives a better...
I just dont understand the message to the team. This isnt a game where you can afford to NOT put your best foot forward. What if Fitz DOES need...
I guess I should define that terrible to me is turning it over a bunch and so forth. He obviously wasnt great.
Since there is no absolute stud dominant LB I'd probably look to trade down and pick up whoever I feel is the best WR.
Thanks other than the Jets I wasnt sure where everyone else was. For some reason I was thinking Houston was only at 3 wins.
Does anyone know if we can finish higher than 3? If we somehow had a top 2 pick we could sell it for a ransom this year.
I was all for bringing Tua back in the first time he was benched against Denver. That said, I dont see how you look your team in the eyes with...
I know you didnt say anything but I do want to point out that I dont think Tua played horribly. He just isnt comfortable trying to fit the ball...
I'll be honest...if Buffalo does start Allen I'd feel a lot better with Fitz out there.
I cant get over that throw. Damn. Being pulled down by the face with your head turned before your arm is even really done coming forward and...
His head wasnt even facing the right direction when he threw that ball.
That was the most ridiculous throwbive seen in my life. No joke.
This is the season.
Fitz is god.
Not scoring a TD near the endzone, a bull**** PI and an offside killed us.
Well that was a trash game that will have a rltrash ending for us.
Well it looks like we will need another score.
Oh come on BS you can touch the WR he didnt pull or push or grab.
We scored way too fast though lol
Fitztouchdown.
Good news is a TD wins basically.
Make the tackle. It's the most important damn thing you can do after you already gave up the bomb.
What bull****.
I think he just wasnt ready and it came in hot.
That and improve his arm strength. It would open up a lot of throws for him and make what he does underneath easier.
Rough ending to the drive but switching to Fitz seems like it paid off in the short term.
Disagree. It's like the announcer said they are NFL open. Tua is holding it too much and not trusting his guys. It's not magic that Fitz is...
Fitz in and the ball moves. No idea if we can win, maybe he throws a pick, but the ball moves.
Good chance to end the drive here.
I dont see why we cant create matchups in space for guys like Perry and Bowden. They are both quick and shifty players who can make people miss in...
Tua is kind of just walking into the sacks today. Two of three.
I didnt mean you or anyone here did, but yes many fans think of it in that capacity. Casual fans.
As long as we keep them out of the endzone we have a shot.
Bad decision by Tua there trying to make a play.
It's part overhyped because you arent going to just start running plays you havent practiced or going way off gameplan. So it's not how some fans...
First thing is first, hold to a FG.
Bad on both ends.
According to the announcers the raiders wanted a measurement. They lost yards so idk why lol the refs said no.
Lol Do the Raiders even care? I mean I get that their season is more or less over but that doesnt mean go for it on your side of the field.
Actually werent we a much better second half team with Gase as well? Not saying we were good overall.
We didn't really get much going against KC until they most likely let their guard down up big. People took too much from that game IMO. We need...
So let me get this straight. Your biggest success this season will be beating us week 17? Dont you have better things to care about like a...
Eh couldnt happen to a more disgusting human being (Lebron) Hopefully that fake POS has a career ending injury soon.
To be fair ot doesnt matter how many life boats you have if all of them have holes. We had Philbin and Gase who are terrible head coaches.
Realistically there is no space for him regardless Parker, Williams, Grant, Wilson, Ford, Bowden, Ford and a likely draft pick as well. We...
As the biggest detractor of Tua in Miami before he started playing, this is such crap and I almost wonder if its sarcasm. Minus the one...
Oh no man I didnt mean you. It's good to know different possibilities, I just mean some fans seem worried.
No fear. Win and we are in. Lose and we didnt deserve it we almost beat KC we can beat Buffalo if they dont play their A game. We need to beat LV...
Let your dog out before the game so our offense plays a full four quarters lol
NE didnt even want to win. Realistically I'd have hurried my FG team out and tried to get it off before the two minute warning pops. Kick it deep...
Really feels like we should be winning by a lot more.
It happens. He looked good on the drive, wish he felt the pressure a little better or held onto it but he was trying to make a play. Defense needs...
Yeah, I totally get what you're saying and agree somewhat but I guess my point is, if Josh Allen breaks his leg in the 4th but the Bills dont have...
I dont think of it that way personally. A playoff team shouldnt be scared or worried about beating anyone. If you are playing for matchups in my...
Theoretically I think not having your QB injured in a meaningless game would be reason enough, even if it let us in.
I think you can also make the argument it can work in reverse. The more drives the offense can put together the more one dimensional we can make...
I mean, if Harden can buy into the system even a little I dont see it as that bad. We lack a player who can just put the ball in the hoop at will...
Opposite actually. I believe value starts from the bottom up, someone in a higher position is inherently less valuable in context of the job being...
Just barely. 4 INT in 3 games for one guy would be pretty crazy to end the year. Possible, but crazy.
I was really wrong about this one. Logically my post is sound but Oakland must have really screwed up their evaluation.
The problem is that the back has to be worthy of a first. Just taking a back in the first doesnt make him a great talent. If you're offering me...
It's not all about having a gun, but I dont think you can debate that his arm strength doesnt need improving. You can never fully open up the...
What increase would you expect then? Because you basically eliminated the Cowboys and 49ers since they were pre-built to a degree pre-salary cap...
To play devil's advocate, it's entirely possible KC let their guard down a bit defensively at the end after we'd only mustered 10 points all day....
I said this in another thread but I really wish we had gone for two before kicking the ball back to KC. I know the idea is that you want to get...
Agreed on that. The only way I'm not having a check down there is if it's a quick fade down the sideline because you have the option built in of...
I actually missed the safety so I cant say for sure what he should have done, but I'd agree that there had to be a check down to throw it into the...
I think certain arguments can be made that the salary cap can actually be a massive penalty for parity in some cases. It does stop trams from...
Hes really filling the role on offense that Wilson would have. Trying anyway.
I get that, it's exactly what I think is weird. I absolutely cant look at another person and think I'd want their help or input to grow. How can...
Hes the type of player you use short in space through play design or have to drop a perfect dime on deep. Hes being misused due to a lack of...
We need a WR and a HB. Then we need an athletic sideline to sideline linebacker who can play all three downs.
He had a great game but his deep ball does float and fall short quite a bit, or occasionally sails if it's a scripted quick one. Still a lot of...
I will give it a read, but I also doubt it's going to entirely change the way I view humans and human behaviour.
Personally I'd like to see it have something like a 25% success rate where it becomes viable to do strategically at any point.
That punt return killed us in the end.
They should change the no touching insidebten yards to inside five yards or something.
Well he doesnt have a cannon for an arm so hes basically chucking it as far and accurately as he can I think.
Quick FG, inside kick recovery and a hail mary!
That's why I go for two before like I said.
If we ever needed to block a kick.
I think we could technically get the ball back if they miss a FG.
We deserve it for playing ten yards off the ball second and ten.
That was a pick but whatever.
Qb sneak
I love the comeback but its feeling like too little too late.
They might go for it this close.
Why the hell are we basically playing a prevent defense.
What a bad defensive call. Those have been rare lately.
I'm a fan of going for two and kicking an onside in that scenario. If you convert and dont recover a FG cant beat you. If you dont you're still...
I know lmao it was hilarious.
The quicker we score the better.
Everyone wants to fight us. I love it lol
Tua is looking really good. I just hope we can get the ball back if we score.
Tough catch and ideally youd want a betterbtheow but yes all on Hollins Tua did all you could ask for.
Have to catch that. Also have to throw that a little farther to let him go get it. Nice throw though for the circumstances not knocking it.
38 to 17 was my pregame prediction so we arent too far from that. Hopefully we make it closer rather than closer.
It was a great pass but it was also a difficult catch to make. Especially because it was wobbling and not a spiral at all, which makes the...
Right I'm not talking about its necessity so much as its disturbing conceptual nature. I cant imagine giving full trust to a person and having...
Leadership as a whole is a kind of disturbing concept but is also required for organized sports to a degree because of human nature. It's a good...
Good point actually.
Well deserved and doubly impressive when you realize it mostly came in a half.
At this stage of their careers just based on longevity I'd take Tannehill over Brees honestly. I dont think anyone compares to Rodgers. Green Bay...
Alex Smith is one of my favorite QB and I'll just say he and Tannehill have just about 0 direct comparison other than struggling early and coming...
Oh I'm definitely not saying they wouldnt be better. They would be, but im still thinking they are a ten MAYBE eleven win team with Brady. Far...
Newton obviously hasnt carried the load he needs to for them to win. That said I'm not 100% convinced Brady has them doing much better, their...
I would disagree with and agree with that. Obviously there are certain plays where you cant know who is at fault, but those are usually obvious....
To be fair I was actually an original-ish member of the site with a different username Alex44 but I locked myself out of it after long inactivity...
If we make the playoffs IMO it has to be Flores.
So the point isnt how many could be interceptions. It's how many good or bad decisions a QB makes. NFL games are tight and a few bad plays are...
I can laugh at myself. I've said both of those things. Bring it on!
The Tannehill thread turned to a discussion about me where I proclaimed that "I'm just waiting for the 272 page thread evaluating my performance"...
In before its locked but feel free to evaluate my posting. Just be fair LOL
I like your spirit.
Realistically I'm thinking this is a lopsided loss of something like 38-17. I'll still be watching and hoping for a win though.
I was about to post something similar. The only time I've really brought up luck that I can remember is in relation to the TD/INT ratio. You...
Yeah it was a terrible call. Especially as a winless team on the brink of victory. There was no need to take such a crazy chance. End of the...
I'm waiting for the 272 page thread on the main forum evaluating my performance lol
I dont know, I feel like I've called it as I see it. If that's offensive people can block me. I've also said hes very adept moving left, has good...
Well just to be fair, my point in the end isnt that everyone loves Tua. It's that a lot of people, and I'll extend it to both sides to include...
Than you sir. I will admit my initial reaction was over the top and negative. That doesnt mean it's my opinion or perspective now. Nor was that...
While you are right that on that day there were more against Tua, my experience with this site has been exactly what he was talking about with...
So my issue is this. We didnt "unleash" Tua. We have been running plays that are meant to be "downfield" throws and using all the same concepts...
I agree that overall his left will always be better than his right. I'm more saying I think that his moving right is below average currently. He...
I think we all knew they werent going undefeated and winning it all. They arent exactly a powerhouse and were bound to eventually fail to execute...
Since we are doing expectations and predictions now. 38-17 loss.
I'd eliminate Newton from that group for the simple fact the first four or so weeks basically looked like preseason. I'm pretty sure if that game...
You pretty much nailed it. Even being used to it that it a tough catch really. It's easy to slow the tape down and say "HE HAD IT!" but the ball...
I think we are one WR away from having a potentially elite group if everyone is healthy and on board. My issue with adding a WR is who to...
So the title ismt how I would phrase the question. Of course we -can- beat the Chiefs, that doesnt mean it's a likely outcome. In order to beat...
I'd stop short of saying the 2nd half was a display of elite talent, but I'll agree it was definitely a step up. I'd compare it more directly to...
I think you're really underestimating how hard it is to extend downwards and forwards while running to catch a ball trailing away from you and...
My issue is that I think we really need to play smart football more than ever. We cant get into a shootout with KC, it wont end well. If we keep...
I actually want to give a different perspective. Maybe the act of winning and losing over the next four games isn't the end all be all, but there...
I think the fact that he hit a coach is definitely something that is a factor. At the end of the day though it was sort of collateral damage to...
It was. Personally I have no questions about his ability to make plays moving left and he seems to be adept at it. The question going forward is...
I'm pretty sure that is a major violation of a lot of rules but I could be wrong.
I dont agree Parker deserves extra time off. He got smashed in the face before he threw his punch. It was the logical reaction to what was going...
I dont see any valud way to look at Tua in the game except this. His first half was awful. His second half was a lot better individually. If...
I have no issues with anything any of our players did. That Bengals player is dirty and you cant let people do that sort of crap to you.
I honestly dont know how I feel about our team. I know you play who you're scheduled to play but we have feasted on a lot of cupcake games. Then...
I think the game against Buffalo could take many different forms. A lot of it depends if there is anything left for them or us to fight for. If...
Mostly agree but I'll one up you. I'm glad Parker stood up for himself after getting hit. The Bengals are just a dirty team. I think Howard was...
I want to see more of that second half play. It seemed like everything was on script for him and when a play did extend he had time to make his...
That Bengals player is a filthy piece of human ****. Someone needs to beat his ***. Clear the bench and **** that man up.
The game is basically clinched if we dont do anything stupid. Good win. It definitely won't be enough next week though. We need to come to play...
From the one angle they showed you cant overturn that.
I havent seen anyone with an agenda in here today. I've mostly seen level headed analysis based in facts regardless which direction they are pointing.
Like I said, consistency and growth would be the things I'm looking for to determine if hes a franchise QB. Finish this game strong and realize...
That seemed like PI but I'd need to see again.
That was a hell of a catch.
I just want to see some consistency. Instead of a couple good drives here and there. Hopefully we keep the foot on the gas and keep performing.
I would disagree that isnt a tough catch but regardless I still think it's one that needs to be made.
Yeah let's see more of that and less of the complete crap we saw first half.
There we go. Finally some energy and playmaking.
That's sort of why I ask. I think it has bigger implications.
If he looked bad because everyone was failing him I'd understand. Its the fact that a lot of it is his own doing that concerns me.
That wasnt an easy catch. The ball was wobbling and moving away. He does need to catch it though.
Hypothetically, do you guys think Tua gets pulled if he struggles in the 3rd quarter or is it his game to the end?
I think it's the fact they both made slight helmet contact.
I dont know what else you could possibly point to as the reason if that is the case.
Well that's a win for the Bengals on a play that meant NOTHING.
It's amazing how they look entirely competent when Fitz is in.
Probably not but maybe if the Texans finish top ten.
Yep, it's pretty clear they want to try and do too much every play. I thought the body language of Parker said it all earlier, the team just...
He had the one nice drive. I think whether it's horrible depends partially on what he does from here.
That's like his 10th non turnover this year. It's ridiculous at this point.
Cant wait for all the excuses about how Tua has a bad thumb and maybe his foot isnt right.
Should have been picked that was awful wtf was that?
Grant has to catch that but it really wasnt an "easy" catch with the ball sort of wobbling and trailing away. That's realistically as good a...
It's only illegal because the ends didnt report as eligible which I'd assume was a mental in game mistake not a practice mistake.
Yeah I'm not saying anything specifically bad about him, just saying those two plays in a row suck because both should have put a TD on the board.
I'm glad we got points but that series right there just felt like momentum for the Bengals considering how it ended. Defense needs to come out...
Tua made the wrong choice on the rpo. Then we blow the 4th down. Ugly.
Time to even the game up!
That was a nice job moving towards the open space on the field and creating a nice run. Also the lime did an awesome job sealing off that side.
Flowers going down wont be good.
That was an interesting play.
Lucky we got a flag. I thought holding was more appropriate considering it was uncatchable.
Would be nice if the offense could keep our defense off the field for a while. I feel like we get the ball and bam we are back playing defense.
Well that was pretty embarassing.
Everyone in the NFL is capable of a great game if everything works out just right. Everyone is also capable of playing horribly. I'm pretty...
He has a lot of game left though let's not say it's over.
I'm not going to pretend he is the only issue but the fact that the same offense can look so night and day different isnt encouraging for next week.
Its painful to watch our offense.
I stand corrected. Howard is a beast why even throw at him.
Defense looking soft.
Awkward 3 and out.
Let's see what Tua and the offense can do.
If we let the Bengals move the ball on us I give up lol
You're stitching together arguments that dont have much to do with one another and presenting them as a cohesive whole in my opinion. 1) What...
Anyway as to the game, I'm glad Tua can suit up. I hope he has a game that silences some of my own doubts.
He plays safety though. That's a fine size for a safety and it's entirely possible that he could grow some more.
Because the worse the team is the less the advantage at QB matters and expresses itself?
We get Surtain Jr and in 2-4 years we draft JTs son. Championship.
The fact that a person can be right or wrong in no way implies they were right or wrong based on luck. Youd need more evidence to show that,...
Yeah I dont see why it's so hard for people to believe that both things can be true. A) Having an elite QB gives you a major leg up on other...
So just to be clear, what you're saying is you know with 100% certainty that Tua will succeed? I'm not trying to debate Tua, I'm saying that is a...
This covers basically everything I could or would have possibly said. If a person doesnt agree with your post they wont agree with anything I say...
I projected it onto myself because he painted a picture where I'd be a part of that group. It's like if he said people who like bananas are...
I think we may have different definitions of meaningful and meaningless. In my eyes anything that doesnt count towards or help you prepare for a...
Hi Rev, dont take this the wrong way I just want to share my honest opinion with all due respect. I think it's a little bit rude to sum up the...
Not aimed at you but I find the cognitive dissonance of this board a bit frightening sometimes. Without calling anyone out I've seen the SAME...
The thing is there is absolutely no reason to have players going full on in a meaningless game in my opinion. I very much respect that it used to...
I actually dont mind it being more of a scrimmage game but they should advertise it that way rather than like it's a game featuring amazing...
I dabble here and there, I havent in the last year or played with any serious money yet so I cant give any thoughts on those specific companies...
I could see any of the Bills, Colts or Browns beating them if they have a good week. In any case I dont see Pitt winning the Superbowl.
I guess we see it differently, which is totally fine I respect that. To me the best team is one that can perform in a variety of circumstances....
I dont think #1 is necessarily valid. Just because something is a sport doesnt mean it has to be like every other sport or should be, each is...
That's exactly what I'd like too. I think we are really close to having all the pieces on offense. You know I'm not a big Tua fan but let's just...
I really like Perry so far. I'd like to see him get some throws in at some point on trick plays. He seems like a guy who might not be elite at any...
Earlier this year I also mentioned it's a shame Wilson wont be part of the roster. I'm a big believer in going 5 deep at WR if possible and...
It's a symbiotic relationship. They both benefit from one another, it's pointless to ask which is more important because they both need what the...
I dont disagree with the overall premise and I dont necessarily think every pick has to be on offense. That said, I do feel defense is a lot...
I think we are a few players away from actually competing against top offenses consistently. That said we are well beyond where I thought we would be.
Ill give you that the media didn't think so. I dont really follow their predictions so it's entirely possible they didnt expect it, that wouldnt...
Well I can take disagreeing as long as we know where the other is coming from. That should be the basis of any debate, laying out and...
Okay, we can get there now. The way I see it is that the college film becomes less relevant the farther away from that point you get. In other...
Let's start really really basic so we can get on the same page because I feel like this is a circular debate going nowhere on either side...
Here is the flaw in that argument, as I see it. Nowhere did I ever say he was doomed in these posts or that his college career would be entirely...
That's absolutely asinine in my opinion, with all due respect. You're suggesting his arm magically becomes a cannon by the simple process of...
I didnt say or imply any of that but okay. What I'm doing is giving my analysis of him in college AND his first four games here. Sorry but I...
I'm not sure where this reply even came from because it really doesnt have anything to do with what I said. Where did I mention the Jets game? If...
I'm not sure you're understanding my full point because I agree with everything you just said. My point is I'm not going to say the 49ers was an...
Why do people keep saying 4 games? He has an entire college career to analyze his abilities. I havent based a single perception off only his NFL...
Okay I agree with your overall premise but that game against San Fran was an easy win. They were missing half their defense and their QB was too...
Dolphin fans justify all our moves too though and we freaking hate them. Just playing devil's advocate, and yes devil may be accurate here LOL
I know most people wont agree but I love the early days with funky stadium shapes and less home runs. Part of why I dont follow baseball anymore...
I mean in my opinion Tua is basically mobile Matt Leinart. Smart kid with good accuracy and leadership skills, but doesnt open up the whole...
I dont think it's fair to just say he throws risky passes. If a guy takes risky shots playing pool but hits them consistently hes considered...
I'm just asking for specific years he was awful other than the two I mentioned since and including his time in Buffalo. All I see are the stats...
Yes because we should base our beliefs on catchy nicknames fans give. Come on man I know you can make a much better argument than that.
His entire career what? Hes only had two seasons where you can outright say he was bad. 2011 and 2016. The rest is pretty much average to above QB...
I'll explain myself. I was very much on the "Tank for Tua" bandwagon at the start of last season, despite the fact I hadn't seen any film on him....
Honestly I dont see him that way. He makes mistakes when either he relaxes because hes up big or when he has to press hard to come back. I'm...
Yeah it's really exciting to watch Tua go 3 and out. I agree that Tua should be starting but it's for the future, Fitz is absolutely the better...
I know you arent asking me but personally I could get behind this, depending who is available of course.
Jets fans are annoying but at least they know that they suck. Patriot fans are insufferable.
Our defense has been pretty solid and great, but it still has holes that need to be plugged to actually compete with top offenses that arent the...
Exactly. A wide open receiver in the NFL is almost ALWAYS a soft spot in a zone or a busted coverage rather than a guy just creating immediate...
No he doesnt get credit for wide open receivers he had no part in getting open, I dont understand why he would? If it's a play where he looked...
Fair enough, in my eyes they are entirely comparable talent wise and have the same tendencies to allow big points, even if the Jets defense may do...
You're not getting the point I dont think. Noone is saying its acceptable, they are saying for that game it was enough, and it was, good or not.
His point wasnt that Hill should have done more because they were missing those guys. He said Hill didn't have to do much because Denver was...
The arizona defense is fairly comparable to the Jets defense. Yes Arizona is a better team, but also he doesnt face the whole team he faces a...
I havent seen many claim hes a purely pocket passer. The claim I've seen more, and my personal claim, is that hes a lot more mobile than your...
I agree that there is a massive double standard in peoples evaluation. To me the only argument for Tua would be that maybe he understands the...
I dont agree with the way he phrased it or his overall insinuation that any player or QB from a major program is fools gold. That said, I do...
I'll say how smart I was (jokingly). I said Herbert was a better prospect than Burrow or Tua. To me it should be clear to anyone who evaluates...
I've already said that I believe going back to Tua is the right thing to do. I just dont believe he is -currently- the better QB to win on a...
That's my point, that you were making a claim that cant be known to be accurate. My other main issue though is the luck idea. Doesnt it...
I dont agree that Fitz necessarily wouldnt have. You cant point to any individual plays because the play calls would be entirely different. Is...
You just made my point. You dont have enough data to analyze him properly, therefore we need to be looking at the decisions he has made and not...
I dont disagree that it's too early to make a determination that he absolutely cant play, but you really seem to be justifying a lot of poor play...
Well the better QB (currently) will be playing so I actually feel more confident we will win now. That said I do want Tua back in when healthy...
Even though I believe Fitz is the better QB by a lot at this point, I also think you have to play Tua if hes healthy now to see what he can do.
Oh I agree 100% that team is very very important. I just think Marino is one of those QB that in the modern NFL would be dominant enough to...
I'm not really worried about Tua. If the thumb is bad, sit a week, Fitz can beat the Jets if everyone plays their game on offense.
I think my sarcasm on the internet thing failed. Though the part about not having experienced this is true. I think it's interesting it's not...
If he continues in a straight line he just runs directly into the defender from what I'm looking at. Also in my opinion even if he keeps to the...
You guys are sure you dont have bad internet connections right? I've still never experienced any of this.
True, but it's a lot of fun when it's not your pick AND you're at the top of the draft. I can find no downside in that scenario.
I agree but also the game has changed, if Marino were playing now or in his prime from 2000 to whenever, in my opinion hed have multiple rings...
If Ahmed cant play do we even have a healthy back on the roster? Is Gaskin available?
He lost me when he called that throw to Grant catchable.
RT is more relevant in my opinion because Tua had an entirely different injury. Not sure how directly RT compares either in terms of damage but...
What part of his performance has been soft? I've seen a guy that if you throw the ball anywhere in bounds reasonably within his wing span hes...
It could be. Honestly his deep accuracy hasnt been there very much in any of our games but in fairness all deep balls are low percentage passes...
I think when we have tried to open it up the passes downfield have been really inaccurate. Part of that is just the nature of deep passing and I'm...
Just out of curiousity, how long do you personally feel it takes to get a handle on a QB? Obviously if he dominates that is the answer to it, but...
I agree with this but I also think the next two games will be very telling for him. Not career defining but going up against two very poor teams...
I'm dead serious. In the modern NFL you cant expect much more than holding the opposition to 20 points and setting your offense up for 7. My...
Little caveat that diesnt really change your post at all. Anonymous replies are useful when you know generally the group being asked. In other...
The KC game will be demanding but honestly their defense is pretty bad. Just trying to keep pace will be the test, not the defense itself.
No I get it. I was more referencing posters across the board, not specific to this thread itself. I can see why you took it that way now, I should...
I wasnt speaking directly about you and if you dont feel you fall into that category I dont know why youd take it that way, nor did I imply it was...
It isnt that its luck. It obviously takes skill, preparation and determination to make those plays. They also rely on the other team being unable...
Only part I slightly disagree with is the line. I do agree it was far from their best showing, but Tua isnt identifying the rushers pre-snap very...
I kind of find it interesting that there seems to be a pretty sizable overlap between people who wont acknowledge Tannehill and people who are...
I mean, I agree because one of my posts before the game was "I can see Denver beating us"
My only issue is that I find the situation to be valuable on field experience. You want to know if your QB is going to be able to shake off a bad...
What's going on with our defense? I had no issue with our defense yesterday. In the modern NFL if you give up 21 or less you should win every...
Well hes definitely done dor the year but we already knew that.
Tua dudnt win the Arizona game either. His offense was outscored by the opposing offense. Also you're falling into a major trap hole in my...