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you think teams have to have debates about their qb like this? teams that win, with qb's?

64 for both games

nope. Fisher for DC. but you keep mis-quoting me

Joe Thomas, Gordon...you're right they cut players all the time

no way if all those guys were rookies, Thll would be selected over them. he was a stretch at 8 and is still a project

please show where I added 10 posts a day

Brady has 1/4 of those things. they took away Blount. He won a SB w/o Gronk. give me a qb like that. keep searching

No, but we are close. both teams avoid qb's like the plague. they hold onto players long enough and have draft classes that have been...

he needed a running game. he needed a line. he needs a grocery list

posted that already. Brees/Brady/Rodgers/Ben/Rus You draft until you get one. otherwise you are wasting time

just because he had a few games, doesn't make him a consistent top 10

but that's what you're implying. if you are satisfied with him at LT, then the level of mediocrity of this team is satisfactory to you too. He...

you're right. he is good. and so is the personnel on this team. just leave it alone and wait for the Savior to come back. we will be...

I did post the link about the 2nd most penalties and yards. I know you saw that

a broken clock is right twice a day.

I am posting my opinions. I am not calling out names. Why would I fear being banned?

why? everytime I see him he is looking back at the DE that passed him or walking back after a penalty

any consistency? did he follow it up with another?

Tannehill's clock is ticking. I take comfort knowing this. Miami's biggest issue was qb this year (close 2nd was OL). They won't go into camp a...

lol played like a top 3? played like a top 10? you're saying there were games where he looked better than Brees/Brady/Wentz? I'm not talking a...

no I recall that post. it was way before. I know you know that. no one waits 6 years for a qb unless you are Miami or Cincy

nope it's stats

like Turnstile and Harris?

is this the same guy that passed for over 420 last year against Bama and only had 43 yards rushing. Looks pass first to me. And in 2015 passed...

playing like a top 10 is subjective and is an eye test. I have never seen RT play like a top 10 simply because of pocket presence and bad throws....

Ryan Tannehill has to be the most divisive player in Miami sports history. To expect him to be elite after 7 seasons his highly unlikely. The...

theer is no such thing as playing like a top 10. that is subjective. you are or you're not

what does? points?

https://thephins.com/threads/a-strategy-no-one-has-mentioned-this-offseason.92428/ here is one post. you wish you can be thought-provoking like...

we love you too

since 2002 total defense: 23 7 9 26 6 4 10 11 25 31 25 26 13 9 8 29 average 16th

but you can't

great post. I'd rather take my chances knowing how they played vs a mediocre qb coming back from injury. You bring up a point too, just on the...

I listed all the players to cut in 2018 and 2019

Pats defense is no where near a top 10 this season

who said anything about trading? Cut them. It was a comprehensive way of shedding about $71M and adding that to the $16M available and the cap...

the surrounding cast is my exact point. You need a strong cast for a mediocre qb. You nailed it about Dak. He is a guy that has to thrive on a...

I've posted it already. shed salary post

I still don't know how he is a top 10 qb. you think any pundits would say going into 2018, RT is a top 10 qb? really? Look at the qb's that are...

I agree on center too. it was part of my comprehensive fix for the Phins.

Gase and Tannehill are goners soon. will you change your profile pic?

yeah it's closed. he throws the deep ball well, he is a top 10

he's a better guard. this team lacks an elite LT. Last year this team rolled with Albert at LT and Turnstile at G

this team has been mediocre for how many years? The solution is ore of the same, right?

could have drafted Watson

will take my chances. but if you are Hou, you might want to draft someone, not as early, but still. their backups suck

he attempted the fewest passes at 389 out of all those qb's. not impressed. what if Ajayi couldn't run the ball? his deep ball did improve, I...

are you talking about teams that have a great qb already? because we sure don't. we had a qb with an acl injury and refused to address it in the...

have you seen the pulse of the cities of Phily, LA and Hou? They can now build their team around a franchise qb, vs having to build the perfect...

oh but you did click and saw that I backed up my most. when did RT finish with higher qb ratings?

so if RT gets hurt, don't back him up with a top qb, get one in the later rounds instead? How about we just back him with Fales or Moore instead?...

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating/year/2016 here you go again

here you go http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating

I've proven he is not a top 10 qb. There is nothing you can ever post that will convince me otherwise. I also have proven that Turnstile is a...

video? that's the answer? There are 10 qb's right now that have better ratings than Tannehill ever had, thus not making him top 10 at all. his...

...and the injury, what do we do to protect ourselves against that again? he can play at a level all he wants. he isn't sustainable at top 10

what was the answer?

what does this mean? where did he finish? I would hope he had games based on that week being top 10 for that week. But the problem with him is...

which was?

Tannehill isn't a top 10 QB. I have proven this. The posters will see this and they also will reject you shoving your mediocre qb down their...

passing yards was a mistake. I said that. My intention was to click on rating, which I ended up doing.

yes you said he played like a top 10. it's an opinion. Top 10 is a stat, and RT is not a top 10 QB

sure why not. fin d has to win sometime

what about his penalties? https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/stats?season=2017&week=100&category=OFFENSIVE+LINE tied for 2nd. this is our elite LT....

so where is he top 10?

sorry, misleading was used

How about total QBR? 2012 18 2013 21 2014 15 2015 27 2016 24 - apparently the year he put it all together. where is he top 10?...

No I meant passing yards was a mistake. the second post on QBR was more legit and if someone says they are top 10, what do they mean? QBR, TD's,...

? don't get the question

attack? he isn't a top 10. this franchise is starving for a qb that will be transcending. How many more years of excuses will there be? don't...

manipulation of stats. I am not the only one who sees it

yeah that was my bad. I thought I clicked on qbr. nonetheless, I proved he isn't a top 10

you can't play like a top 10 once in a while. You have to be one or not. Fin D has said about 1,000 times RT is a top 10 qb and that no rookie...

How is he top 10?

How is Brady’s oline? Tannehill’s excuses are a long list. I have never seen a qb that requires so much Wentz and watson lost their Lts

Top 10 means stats. It is not an eye test. It is stats. You cannot prove he is a top 10 qb. Therefore, it is justifiable after 6-7 years we get...

Again manipulating stats. No longevity. Only short periods of time.

I want to know where is he top 10 statistically. Prove it

based on qbr http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating/year/2012...

How many games has he been a top 10 qb? What rating is your definition of top 10? You seem to be just throwing a stat out there. Tannehill has...

No it is an opinion. It is a fact he is not a top 10 qb

He has done it in how many starts? Lets do that and dont skew numbers. Qb rating, isnt that your top 10 benchmark? Im sure you will rig the...

No rookie could say that? You think Phily, LA or Hou cared? Of course no college qb could say that? What kind of answer is that? You are...

One of the top mistakes this team has made, aside from passing on Brees and Moss. Passing on Matt Ryan was dumb. How is a LT supposed to muster...

Such a great post. I wouldn't restructure Suh though. In 2019, he is $15M in cap savings, $13M dead money. Just wait it out. We have one...

so you are saying, that Tannehill's unknown potential post-injury is "known" by you, but the potential of this rookie class in 2018 is "less?"...

Rookies at this point that have played have more than potential. They have more than the potential of mediocrity Tannehill showed. Watson has way...

When has he been a top 10 qb? Your argument is based on potential. It is the most useless argument ever.

ever heard of Deshaun Watson? he showed more in one game than Tannehill did his entire game

last year - before injury. enough said. you bring in competition, and if he's good he will win

Cant wait to hear more of your Tannehill and Gase combo posts. What's your fix for next year?

that was the epitome of sarcasm

dude, if you don't know the dolphins by now, then I'm not sure when you will. You're saying you held onto "good luck," or belief? This is...

thank you. I appreciate you seeing the ability I have as a potential GM.

3 years? That's the amount of time a coach can get fired. This is the fundamental problem of Miami, draft someone that has zero impact, wait...

Anyone see what a franchise qb can do? Look at SF now

Gronk plays MN and we get killed.

The next Phins qb is not on the current roster

Wow. Just wow. He played some LT last year

Tunsil sucks. He has shown nothing to me that he is an elite LT. As I stated earlier Phins need a true LT to take their offense up. Turnstile...

Props to Parker too

Kudos to defense. They kept us in the game and made adjustments. Props to Burke

Bad timing w them contract negotiating

Bring Matt Moore in

24 points isnt bad. I agree

Who wants Cutler back?

Parker looking confident. Good for him

1st and 35. Is that in the Gase playbook?

Yes because that would springboard us in 2018

Is it me or do all the Lbs look slow?

Can I get playoff scenarios at 8-8?

Cutler back for more INTs

Kiko has a target on his head

Werent you talking playoffs?

This team is so predictible

You dont understand? The team has no sustainability

Kiko on McCoy.

Verner holds on a play that wont go his way because taylor was flushed out lol

He looks slow. He isnt fooling anyone

Cadet lol

Wow every pass to Parker is a pick waiting to happen. He has no desire

Awww

Bad habits again. Not going to go far w screens

I dont get it. Mccoy was the focus and all he has done is kill us

Where is the damn pressure?

Just like Buffalo, the middle of the field is open w the good pass protection

Agree. But for depth also. I wouldnt pencil in starters from now

Time for a 50/50 ball deep. Protection is there and Parker looks more confide t

See this drive stalled on 2nd down. They expected run and they ran

Impressed. Could have been ugly early Miami needs to go back to some motions and movement

Lets see 3rd down conv again

Is was my premise on my post this week asking Phins fans to breathe.

Turnstile Tunsil But hey is an elite LT

Because they are consistently inconsistent?

Instead of worrying about other teams, how about Miami win a game first?

Well that escalated quickly

Wow and I get blasted for my posts lol Let me me guess, this is me too?

The ultimate chess match is to see if Miami can re-innovate their success last year when Ajayi ran for over 200 twice.

You said it was easier to cover him the further he runs

Even a LB is covering him? Did you see the Jets and Az game late last year?

Do we get bad Cutler or Good Cutler? If he has turned the corner, I will give him and Gase credit

You bring up a good point. No one seems to be allowed to be critical of the Phins. It always has to be positive. Mediocrity is positive. The...

how about this....In the early 90's I think, not being ablate watch non-sell out games on TV, shaving to listen to Rick Weaver do play by play....

let's assume they are engaged in contract talks. If they do indeed finalize or come up with parameters, kudos to FO for earmarking his money so...

any update on Verner and Tank?

I don't think we regret losing Miller and Vernon. do you? Landry is Miami football

I heard there is a post June 1 cut too, right? My plan is to see where the team can build and what they can sign and draft. If things don't fall...

I find it ironic, because his agent said no dealing during the season. Miami maybe more desperate now that Parker and Carroo and Grant all suck

Gase will stay, doesn't matter what I want. He will get another year. Miami has a $15M-$17M decision to make. They designed the contract this...

Hit: once we cut Tannehill, James, Pouncey and Thomas, there will be plenty money. Don't worry, it will be built stronger and cheaper

A lot of you anointed Parker to replace him. Where is Parker?

I agree. If she had kept the first text or recorded anything, and then went to HR and they fired her, she's be rich. Instead 6 guys later and...

who cares what the average is? show me the guaranteed money. He could average $20M per year and sign a $100M deal, and get cut before he sees a...

are you reading Fin D's replies?

I think the Pitt game was the last one.

wow a blow to their run game, right?

That SD game, as great as it was, Cutler, to my recollection, put up 50/50 balls. Devante has lost that fight and will, and it's resulted in...

his contract does make it appealing to see what could happen. It's back to being a camp warrior again. The way he was used against NE, I'm ok...

LOL I know you don't understand. But averages don't mean anything. it's all about what's guaranteed. Now that I have schooled you, please stop...

what? I was agreeing with you all the way. However, you have to be open to cases that seem fishy. One woman and 6 guys? Cmom man

I agree with you. after a while, the "men over-powering," "not wanting to lose your job" excuses run thin. There are resources available to her...

your mediocre qb signed a $98M contract for 6 years. That's $16 a year. If he makes it through 2018, he would have averaged $11M

no. learn to read. you are caught up in an average. so are most people here. he could average $20M a year. there are ways of doing the deal...

this is the delicate matter hitman was killed for. Some cases don't make sense, but the collateral damage is devastating. Here is a woman that...

who gets mail still?

you still can't answer the $13M huh? LOL

I'm ok with RT here, but we need true competition at qb. Maybe he develops after that. I just think year after year, we have a losing record for...

did I say directly don't pay him $13M? No, I just called you TBaum and that you like to spend money. You get caught up in average salary too...

when did I say get rid of Landry? WRONG AGAIN. When did I say get rid of Tunsil? WRONG AGAIN. I did say move Tunsil to guard. BUT, you tend...

I will say this about us and hitman and danmarino......we sure have unconventional thinking. You don't have to always like the coach (have his...

it's been in the back of my mind. Would Miami address that again? Going through a list of potential FA's doesn't impress me too much. One name,...

our Buffalo game will be co-anchored by a woman on Sunday. Beth Mowins. Woman or not, we need to hear someone other than Jay Feely

Thanks TBaum. We know how you like to spend money!

unlike Miller or Vernon, I agree. He is the leader of this offense. Go look at those long Ajayi runs last year, and tell me who the last man...

quit beating yourself up for the Ajayi trade. But you brought something up I like. I think Gase is hell-bent-fixed on whatever back is out...

I love his use of commas. makes me pause to understand his point of view. maybe you all should use more commas, instead of rambling?

it's their way of getting angry that multiple posters, including Ricky, have outside the box thinking. don't let them discourage you bro

nothing shows

everyone thought Stills would kill us too. I actually believe Jarvis has taken one for the team, based on the fact they couldn't run or throw...

one solution in this example might be having a 3rd party always with two others. My dermatologist's asst never leaves the room. It is a fairly...

First of all, Miami only has Stills and Landry in the passing game. Drake is developing and you can't count on Grant, Parker and Thomas. So if...

I meant for a new deal

so you're saying there is a chance?

it means last year we were 10-6, got creamed the last two games and didn't do enough to fix our roster.

my ENTIRE PREMISE is not for us to sit on our laurels. Just two weeks ago, the abyss happened. are we going to ignore those issues? Aren't you...

who said I was rooting them to lose?

make that the last two games last year.

I'm going to play GM. I would have gotten on the phone after the play and picked up somebody. Rick is right. We shouldn't have waited till July...

Wake, Tannehill, Pouncey...to name 3

I am optimistic on the past two games. But I refuse to buy into the playoff hype and complacency of the personnel.

it's the defense that looks anemic. offense will be dynamic with Gronk back

Drake had injuries it seemed all year long

Correction on qb....should have been more prepared as a team incase RT got hurt. Cutler could have been in camp since May. Now if that's the...

Ricky, I brought off the edge bro

Im saying he is being pushed

The other angle is Ajayi could have thrived with the competition. Look at Jordan Phillips. It's over. Looking forward to seeing who is teaming...

Sorry, the new norm of victims coming out of silence. I will say this, companies will be watching this closely and maybe increasing their...

Interesting change in weather. Fri and Sat will be 27/22 26/11, and a 90% and 40% chance of Precip. Sunday the precip drops to 10% and will be...

get used to it. this is the new norm, US is built on small businesses and I'm sure it is rampant there too

but how do you govern against fake allegations? That was hitman's whole point

really? I have done this, and I challenge you: go back and look at the posts two weeks ago and compare them now. take 10 posters. Miamifans...

Gase ERA? It isn't two seasons yet. Obliterate? There are so many factors that go against that word. Weather, Bills are a solid rushing team,...

good post. Yes, I wish Gase promoted Drake as the featured back, with Ajayi as the thunder to the lightening. Even though a back like Drake is a...

nope. I am saying if he goes one on one, he will get to the qb. If he is double teamed, we need to make sure and send a LB or stunt to keep the...

this is such a sensitive topic, but yes, it isn't politically correct to accuse victims that they are egging on the situation.

why are you always looking for punishment? you just can't stand if someone has a diff opinion than you. you try to super impose your opinions...

This is the delicate balance that's going on nationwide. It seemed it started with Bill Cosby. There are legitimate victims out there. And...

we have players still on this team from the losing days.

has anyone heard of sarcasm?

I am a fan of his. I believe he should come back at a reduced salary and help transition a new qb

I tried being nice to you but Im convinced you cant be.

I agree on subjected. I disagree on conditioned. We are training for the past several years, that women should and could get any job. They have...

You want Cutler and Tannehill in camp? you are all over in this post. You have like 3 diff opinions

you have to naive to think we'll just have $15M. We have about $60M in cuts coming. Plus the cap goes up. Asking Cutler to take a paycut?...

you are so right. 2nd post Im replying to on aggressiveness. Some poster asked me why I would like Rex Ryan, and this is the reason why. Get me...

I just have one question...has nothing to do with defending males or females. How can one female take "sexual harassment and sexual advances"...

great post. I agree 100%. There was a mentality on defense that enabled them to play the Pats like the Giants did in two super bowls. On...

playoff talk will now officially end lol

btw, it's than, not then

if we win the next three AND make the playoffs, you got a deal.

But according to you, Gase has it. He has done no wrong in roster management. He personally went after Thomas and traded our LT for him,...

yes

you are the first one. I have written your name down

We are no where near a good team. Do you know (I know it doesn't matter) what ESPN ranked us? 21st. That mean they believe teams with more...

why are you so hurt when someone criticizes Tannehill? The guy has been mediocre and your assumption he would have done well this year is mere...

The point of my post, only one person gets, is making the playoffs or having this run SHOULD NOT take away from the deficiencies this team has,...

Your mentor

what versatility do we have at TE?

he is uber confident. Having this safety tandem has helped with his play

by the way, the harassment from you and Fin D on my multiple accounts are annoying. I have one account. Next time I am accused of having...

I start posts everyday and it gets volume. speaks well for my outside thinking, thanks. I never said replace Ross, the entire point of my post,...

The problem also is if we finish the year 9-7, playoffs or not, everyone will have a feel good pulse on the team, when it is far from that. AND I...

I'll better you Rick, if we win the next two games I will buy VIP entry to this site for the first 10 posters that want it

I am trying to prevent the suicide talk if we lose. you guys just set yourselves up

Um, yes there is. If we win the next two games, talk playoffs all day. What makes you or anyone else in this board, think we can run the table?...

we were in this position a few years back and Everyone's Boy, Tannehill lost to the Jets and Buff to end the year, with one win, they would have...

when did I say the owner? Please point to the post or really you have nothing to provide

ha, with the offensive line we have?

did I say top to bottom, mr"I don't know how to read a post?"

I'm curious, why did you send a bunch of private messages to posters here? It's creepy

WHY WHY WHY? Haven't we been here before? Why can't you just wait? There are glaring holes on this team still. Just like last year, if they...

simple. Brady doesn't throw picks if he goes to Gronk, because Kiko would've been covering him

they are going to pound the ball all day.

yeah but they could have scored more, which would have changed the complexion of the game, forcing Miami to scoring more and staying more aggressive

why as a Packers fan are you nervous?

so that wasn't a chop block?

The best way to Push Parker is draft or get another WR.

the deadspin report is pretty shocking. Donovan McNabb's especially

yah but better off to a long term deal that would be cap friendly

why? you harass everyone on here

not really. It was early in the am and I was in a rush. but thanks for guessing

I hear by default, Tyrod could be playing.

that's the best advice

makes sense

yeah I think this is a lot more rampant than we know. These large organizations, for lack of better words, have been exposed, but America is...

also, I sent that link because I am shocked on how extensive and detailed it is. If these guys are on videos sent as a text, along with texts, it...

Gase is looking like a genius I have to admit. Wish he could have benched him instead and forget the 4th, but whetever

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/12/12/digital-evidence-will-be-critical-to-nfl-network-harassment-lawsuit/

I kind of knew the answer, just wanted posters like you to feel good about themselves

imagine him paired with Bell? Build on strengths

I think #5 was based on milking the clock. he didn't seem agitated that the clock was down to less than 5 seconds, and snapped the ball with 1 sec...

says DK on bottom right

you could tell that they were primed to go deep, but they had no one to throw to. They were running well and finding crossing routes. However, if...

not a word from nfln btw. I wonder if Marshall asked the girl to Faulk her? too soon?

Bro, they are in trouble next week against the Steelers. Sure they get Gronk back, but Miami exposed Pats for the true lack of talent they have....

I think this is a pandemic, whether it is exaggerated or not. I have had quite a few jobs, and Ive seen it all, from flirting to sex to lunches...

Let’s see if she can bring up the texts

did they win the SB w/o Gronk?

I think Jarvis' two monster spikes were for Gronk

I thought he was giving the ball (and the season) cpr

The Buffalo game next week, in the past years, is the exact game that has eliminated us in the past. let's hope we defeat demons of the past

I have to admit things look encouraging last night. The trenches played well, and when that happens, the other levels fall into place. I am very...

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article189083924.html

Turnstile Tunsil. Needs help at G from the C and LT

shocking stat: Miami under Gase is 12-6 against teams with losing records and 3-8 vs teams with winning records

but I saw Cox and Fletcher, by themselves, getting to the qb in under 2.5 seconds

no way this happens against the brains of a NE team. The more likely scenario is we hang 10 on their 14

the team needed Olinemen and a starting qb the minute we played NE and the beatdown by Pitt. Who has an ACL injury and doesn't have surgery? Who...

don't we have issues scoring in the first?

ok so Suh gets to the qb to slow?

blaming the hurricane still? Injuries still? MN doesn't seem to care

Im sure you have the technology to realize I have one account.

and we can compare both teams? Ive already said that an elite qb can mask issues. But we don't have an elite qb

if we had a true LT, we'd be in the thick of the playoff hunt, that's how important an elite LT is

weeks 4-5 we lost to Cincy and TN and that was the depths of hell weeks 10-11 were ok weeks. came back and beat LA, but was he Tackle in the...

nope. I think you fail to realize this team rolled when he was at G last year and Albert was at Tackle.

can you confirm?

danny aren't you tired of paying for lack of production. The average isn't the issue, the problem is you have to wait it out. Cutting him next...

what games last year did he play LT?

tell me about Ansah. Is he consistent? My fear is Dline again, but, I like it why the drop off in sacks since 2015?

well it didn't work. and he was drafted and played guard last year. Miami was stupid enough not to get a tackle or somehow pick up Albert

next year it's like $10m

because of something called reality?

I like your thinking in the last paragraph. Gronk is out and you just have to have a helmet on each WR/TE. I am all for sending an...

what are we ranked in run defense?

let's not get carried away. NE is very motivated for this game. What you should hope for is a close game into the 4th, enough of the come from...

Landry only. Teams can get a cheaper qb with the same accomplishments as Tannehill by round 2.

and it's been debilitating drives. 8-10 play drives, converting 3rd downs and in return we go 3 and out like it's going out of style

the last 4 games, we have been down 14-0 in the first quarter 3 times and 19-0 by halftime once

restructure kicks the can down the road and I believe we did this already and that's why his dead cap hit is $22M next year and $15M the...

The scenarios look too complicated. It helps that we play the Bills and KC, but need Oak, LA and Baltimore to falter. TN will clinch because of...

we need to do that. Lineup some dudes in the slot and do the same damn thing. Bell had like 9 catches last night for 80 yards. Do the same thing...

I said it two weeks ago, watch Brady's Achilles. He has missed decent practice time. Get him dancing and moving and let's watch it rupture

it's funny, they don't invest in the O line (from the outside), but they invest in the dline (from the outside). I am at least happy they had a...

totally agree that's an issue. That's why I have said we need to look at the body of the season, esp when we were losing. If we had addressed...

those Backs have ran for close to 200 a game last two games, including the last game we played, and they're not only gashing teams, they are...

Pats have a way of finding a hero. Miami needs to prepare for it all.

I don't know about that. I mean you can be real solid on one side of the ball, right and struggle on the other and lose a bunch of games?

Plus I have THE Best post ideas

Im ok with draft position. If a team wants a player, they move up. If they have a shot at making the playoffs, would like to witness that. But...

Jim Washburn, ahh the wide 9. great concept for us

you are right, they run a defense that has Zimmer and all of those Cincy coaches from the past.

wow, you are desperate to find excuses. makes sense, because Miami is on their 3rd string qb and you will make that an excuse, while they should...

the drop from Phily to MN is uncomparable. 7-8 points a game. LOL

he is the hc, not the dc. you are so easy it is unreal. Are you blaming Gase for the bad defense too?

against potential playoffs teams, Rams allow 21.4 a game

Rams allow less ppg than Cincy this is so easy

yeah great example, against one of the top offenses. They were still in position to win

How about against playoff potential teams? GB 27 Steelers 29 Ravens 20 Bills 20 Jags 23 Titans 24 24 points a game. Even worse

because they are established and unlike prior DC's, have both HC and DC experience.

Cincy plays Clev twice a year. Next

MN got GASHED for 216 yards rushing. Stewart was in the 2nd level and those LB's that Adam Zimmer coaches couldn't do a thing about it. Cam had a...

A LB coach? He is the fit for us as a DC. Ok, whatever you say

looks like you lost, now that you mentioned injuries. LOL

speaking of gash. Chic Bears had 482 yards of offense against the Bungles . Going into that game, Chic was 30th in offense in the league.

Adam Zimmer, aside from a DUI, he is a LB coach for MN. Um, last I checked that's the easiest job when you have to coach Barr and kendricks,...

Paul Guenther DC of Cincy. 32 against the run, 9th against the pass (probably because run defense is bad), 19th overall. HIRE HIM!

and you are clearly enjoying the struggle of this defense for the past 4 seasons. More Coordinators? Listen the tree logic just doesn't work for...

go look at game 2 this year. according to your logic, we should be hiring Bowles in a heartbeat. After all, he laid the foundation for this team...

I based my answer in the post above on what I thought Gase would do. That's what you want, right? Learn to read, or have someone read it to you,...

what posters don't realize, is when you get the qb, you may have the same deficiencies, but they are masked. Let's see what happens in Phily now...

I answered that too

I answered that already. Why do I have to repost for you?

He is a Defensive guy. Yes it's in his dna. I see you really like that quote. Intriguing wasn't the word, but based on Gase, better fit. I...

2016 TD Scoring drives by NE Game 1. 8 plays, 7 plays, 12 plays, 5 plays Game 2. 13 plays, 5 plays, 3 plays, 6 plays 2017 Game 1 8 plays, 9...

no. I want a guy like that. But, someone did mention Bowles being fired, and that maybe more intriguing.

I meant until Albert got hurt

Branch has a $12M hit next year. Don't look at it as 21st, look at it based on this team, his production, and what we could actually do w that money

I just read the posts above, and I never said that?

What post is this?

he is the problem. when you have a premier LT the line will be solid. when did Albert go out last year. what's our record w Tusil at LT? What...

top 10 qb? what stats are you making up?when was he top 10?

and how has that worked out? thank you for playing.

what's amazing about you is that the team needs to shed salary to be competitive next year. $16M for Pouncey and James? $9M Wake? $7M for...

coming from a guy that believes Tannehill is the savior here still. That alone tells me the level of your posts

You want a coaching staff when no one has ben fired as yet?

http://www.nflpenalties.com/position/offensive-line?year=2017 school is in

he was drafted as a guard and played guard until Tunsil got hurt. hasn't played well at tackle and is a reason why this line is brutal. School is in

"your best players," who have been mediocre for years is part of the grassroots problem here. Holding on to dreams that Tannehill is elite, Wake...

Best talent? Lol. Who is going to the Pro Bowl? Best talent on a team that is 5-7 and players on teams here still that sucked during the...

No on a guard. He was drafted as a guard. School is in again

lol

now that I have won this debate, unless you have another point, I will take my W and keep posting my thought-provoking threads. try to understand...

this was the quote: we hire so many ex-Cincy coaches, I wouldn't be shocked if we picked up Marvin Lewis as DC after he gets fired ever heard of...

you want to hire more former bengals coaches and even Lewis himself. Hasn't worked, starting with Coyle. until the team changes its avenue of...

and Bill Belichick teams and Joh Harbaugh teams shred us. what's your point? you ignore parts of my post. look at the body of work of a Wade or...

Rex Ryan and Wade Phillips have defense in their dna. in other words, since I have to explain to to you, they are meant to be DCs in this league

yeah sorry for blowing you away about the DNA Talk. I know you can't comprehend that. More of the same, you want another unproven DC hire.

what you fail to acknowledge, like many posters here, is more of the same is MORE OF THE SAME. More Tannehill, more Burke, more Wake at $9M. We...

there was no way Rex's defense was like Baltimore. But his dna is defense. And there were Jets and Bills teams that gave the Pats fits in the...

ok you have totally convinced me to keep Burke/Vance Joseph. Let's do more of the same!!!

1. experience. I have indicated that I would prefer a DC with HC experience 2. Are you really not going to look at someone's resume as a DC, esp...

I am sick of the coordinators from Cincy. Do I think Lewis can provide more than Guenther, Joseph or Burke, yes. However, I am in favor of a...

Im ok with this. Gravy if we can move some money to the backend of the his deal. I would also say this. You draft a qb automatically because of...

Look I think you are insinuating that Lewis could be a decent DC for us. I would semi-agree with you. I'm not sure of his contract situation ad...