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Right now Tua is the best at: 1. Manipulating defense with his eyes 2. Ball handling 3. Footwork 4. Release 5. Accuracy 6. Anticipation His...

Hey, thanks man. Very nice of you.

Sorry, didn’t know that

This is a lie. This is opinion and not a good one. This is a huge exaggeration. Tua has a few elite players around him but far too many scrubs...

There is no doubt that Tua is a better QB now than under Flores. It is due to many factors, relationship being just one of them. Having said that,...

The team Flores put on the field was painfully boring to watch. Remember, this is entertainment and they were not entertaining. He coached Tua...

This is a reason that Tannehill would suffer back on the Dolphins. Why can't this team field an OL that can block? [MEDIA] Even sadder that this...

How would you know that the numbers are good? We can agree to disagree. I stand by my opinion.

This is the quote Film first, numbers second. If the numbers don’t match what is seen on film, something is likely wrong with the numbers. I...

OTOH, ignoring the film and trusting the stats is just as bad. Both are needed, but IMO film is more revealing because you can see what actually...

Well they are using stats to evaluate those same busts.....

I have no problem with using stats but as my tag line says - Film first, numbers second. If the numbers don’t match what is seen on film,...

Given the fact that the NFL is a multi-billion dollar business, and player salaries are hundreds of millions of dollars, I'd say there are at...

You'd never have enough data with other things being the same.

How are they measuring variation in QB and WR ability?

I would be suspicious of any estimate that did not apportion for OL. Weak stats or not, the OL is clearly important. I suppose you could make the...

My philosophy is a bit more nuanced. IMO, supporting cast can hinder a QB much more than it can help. Look at it this way, the best QB in the...

Hey res, seems like old times.

"Of course OL has an influence, and in the direction your intuition suggests." Which is what I was saying. "But that PBWR result suggests that...

I stated from my first post on this topic that PBWR was just one measure. You chose to try to correlate it to passer rating. I never said that...

LOL.... old mister "use one stat in a vacuum". That is why it is flawed. I gave multiple measures of the pass blocking by year. You locked on to...

I'm not wrong. I don't care what your faulty statistical analysis says. PBWR is just one measure. Rankings are another. When his OL was poor at...

Nonsense. The funny thing is that you want to credit his surrounding "all-star" cast (with no evidence) when he did well (especially 2019) but...

LOL..... Tannehill performed when he had decent pass blocking and not when he didn't. Period. PBWR is just one measure. I used it as evidence that...

I wonder how much of this is due to the amount of anticipation he throws with. It must be harder to determine "if a player will be open" than "if...

For subpar, I am considering years that were below his ability. Was going on memory of OL rankings, PBWR, time to throw, etc. Much debated and...

Fair enough.

His sub par years tracked exactly with bottom of the league OLs in Miami and in Tenn. Nothing more.

By the time you posted that, there had been numerous posts about his time in Tenn.

Other than passer rating and YPA and CPOE?

LOL

You consistently overrate Tenn's "all-star cast". The year that they were very good, they looked like crap with Marriota and went to the AFC...

This is why I rarely visit this forum. The mods need to understand that the traffic here is a fraction of other forums and this is a large part of...

That is not how PFF grades QBs. They isolate what the QB is responsible for on a play by play basis. They do not base it on yards, TDs, passer...

So he he had the highest pass grade and the 7th highest overall grade and they rank him 14th? Okay, sure.

It is all good. I have no doubt that you are more objective on the topic than I am.

LOL @ can we move on? That is the $1,000,000 question. I stand by everything I wrote, but I can certainly move on. Unfortunately, not everyone can...

You missed the most important part: I can say with certainty that not every forum has this level of anti-Tua rhetoric. I'm sure you know the...

It is just the latest anti-Tua stance in 5 years of anti-Tua stances. Those anti-Tua stances are never balanced with objective takes, like.......

This thread is just another example of why this forum doesn't get the traffic of other forums. Too much negativity about Tua on repeat for FIVE...

Two of the most vocal were saying it in the thread that got created when they traded for Tyreek. There were many posts back and forth arguing...

It is the constant moving goal posts and the ridiculous denials that are the craziest. That and the grasping at straws. "He can't make the off...

The arm strength argument comes down to this: When we got Tyreek, a very very vocal few said "Tyreek will be wasted, Tua doesn't have the arm...

It would have been “to hell with the TOS and full on blast”. I decided it wasn’t worth my time. Ultimately, I was here to have real football...

I seriously considered going out in a "blaze of glory".... LOL

How are you still having these debates? I needed to step away from this forum. Likely won't be back much. Just too much running around in circles.

Tua has the smoothest feet of any QB in history. Dramatically underrated part of his game. You have to be a great athlete to do this.

Loved Orlovsky's comment "You guys are acting like he is me."

All Tua on that final drive until they were in FG range, then the running game kills the rest of the clock. Just perfect.

If it factors in competition, then Tua would earn a lower QBR by playing against weaker teams and he still finished 3rd.

LOL. You just can't make this stuff up....

LOL. You've got rationalizations for days.....

Tua was #3 in QBR last season. Curious that QBR wasn't the determining factor last season......

When did QBR become gospel? Never mind, I know, it was exactly when Tua went up in EVERY OTHER QB measure except QBR..... just ridiculous.

Shannon: "Don't act like your a top 3 quarterback." People who track this stuff: [ATTACH]

Classic. Just needed to add a word in Stephen A's diatribe that doesn't exist and some mumbles to Shannon's.

Shannon took too many hits to the head......

So this is where we are now? Dissing Tua because he has receivers that can run? What's next? "Well the receivers have to CATCH IT!!!! Tua can't...

There is noting to debate as long as people don't post inaccurate info

I care. That's why I replied.

Ran across this article: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-the-perfect-timing-a-deeper-dive-into-time-to-throw-data Interesting read and it totally...

This is incorrect. Tannehill regularly had one of the quickest times to throw in the league. One season, there was an analysis of the sacks...

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8 years apart seeing Dolphins at Washington. [ATTACH] [ATTACH]

Beautiful game to see in person! The Van Ginkel pick 6 happened right in front of us. We were on the opposite side of the field from the TV...

That play shows three of Tua's strengths, pocket awareness, quick feet, and ridiculously quick release. Most QBs take a sack there.

Makes me feel even better about the thread.

Absolute beat down in progress

Can't wait for game time! Nothing better than a Dolphins game with my two sons!

Latest rain forecast. Hopefully all gone before game time. [ATTACH]

Excellent explanation. Thank you.

Definitely not Jeff George. IMO, he was a gun slinger that never took the game seriously enough. Herbert is a big QB with a cannon arm that checks...

One of the best QBs in the league threw it, that's how.

So you can't find a quote of me saying "INTs don't matter". Glad we cleared that up. I already tried to explain it to you in as simple terms as...

quote where I wrote "INTs don't matter". should be easy

highlight the words "sacks don't matter"

Where. EXACTLY. Provide the quote.

McDaniel is asking him to throw farther down field than anyone with a quicker release time than anyone in more complicated offense than anyone...

Not sure why you are having trouble understanding. Nobody said turnovers are a good thing. Let me try to simplify it for you with an analogy....

Many just do not understand the impact of that kind of quickness, accuracy and anticipation. We are watching a special QB.

I've been three times before. Saw the Dolphins in 2015 and the Bills this season. I was also there for a Premier League double header in July. Not...

?? not sure what you are referring to. I have been completely civil.

Apology accepted. Waste it just a bit more by actually answering the original question with a simple yes or no answer. Did Miami draft the right...

This is 1000% correct. Most people simply don't recognize that there are trade offs with everything. Want fewer sacks? Max protect or just throw...

All of his replies in this thread have been "interesting". Seems like he is trying to hard to be contrarian.

??? It shows right on list of threads who created it.....

Not what I said at all .... If you don't want to compare Tua to Herbert (something anti-Tua people were desperate to do for 2 years), maybe stay...

My sons (ages 20 and 29) and I will be there! Current forecast is mid to upper 50s, light winds, and rain ending well before game time! Great...

I don't know.... have you ever tried to catch a wounded donkey? Not recommended.

Still true. Nobody is saying this. In fact, the point was that Tua could be great with a better supporting cast and coaching staff. Well.......

The Dolphins were NOT a better team in 2020 or 2021. During that time Tua's winning % was 62% and Herbert's was 47%

Herbert has a very good supporting cast. Far far better than Tua had in his first two years. Not really sure what point you are trying to make.

care to explain what the heck a "single season/game" means? 6 is a collection of things.... Looks like you are trying much too hard to be...

IMO, we are a healthy OL away from being the best team in the AFC.

I know it is not all on the QB but there are many here that blame it all on the QB when it suits them. The point of this thread was to highlight...

LOL.... nothing but excuses for the other QB.

He is 1 for 6 this season......

Last drive against Miami: [ATTACH] Last drive against Tenn: [ATTACH] Last drive against Dal: [ATTACH] Last drive against GB: [ATTACH] Last 2...

LOL. Facts do matter. Just this season: vs Ravens - fail vs GB - fail vs Dal - fail vs Tenn - fail vs Mia - fail

IMO the biggest issue is the OL. We need to get healthy there to have the best chance. Armstead, Jones, Williams, Hunt, Jackson needs to be the...

A little perspective on the Dolphins offense. They are still #1 in average points per drive and average yards per drive. They are #5 in % of...

Two bad plays to be sure but all QBs throw INTs. Josh Allen has 12, Hurts 9, Mahomes 9, etc. As was already noted, Tua did not have two INTs...

I just don't agree that Tua throws into coverage more than other QBs. Let's leave it at that..

Neither of those INTs were into double or triple coverage so why bring it up. He doesn't throw into double and triple coverage more than any other QB.

Peace. I agree it is time for a truce. Enjoy the season. Have a happy thanksgiving.

Speaking of narratives, cue Queen. Another one bites the dust Another one bites the dust And another one gone, and another one gone Another one...

Instead, why don't you actually back up your criticisms with real, supported arguments? Give it a try.

That's why Mahomes is a unicorn. He can do both. I think he is affected mentally by the drops and is pressing but when he has a decent cast he is...

I'm not talking about the Eagles fans. I'm talking about anti-Tua Dolphins fans. I don't doubt there are unreasonable people in every fanbase.

Yes. Yes it is.

It is not. All of us have admitted it many many times. The issues are: 1) You start a post comparing Tua to Mahomes, and then extended to the...

Resnor does have a point, off script guys like Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, and Hurts would do better than Tua in really bad circumstances where the...

Hurts would only be roasted if he were the Dolphins QB. All non-Dolphin QBs get a pass from the anti-Tua crowd.

Sure, but it is far more likely to complete passes to the routes that are actually called. So, WRs should run the proper routes.

People like you and me don't need to hold QBs to different standards. The loss wasn't on Mahomes. His WR dropped the go ahead TD. Hurts' INT...

The point is there are a group of posters that want to exclusively blame Tua for off games by the offense and completely absolve other QBs of the...

No and neither would any other QB. Why not?

Having bad receivers will affect his stats but not minimize his impact on the game.... whatever than means.....

He's probably not wrong.....

Jalen Hurts is 9/15, 69 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT in more than 3 quarters.

Hurts just threw an INT against the Chiefs because AJ Brown ran a go route because it opened up. Problem is that is not the route that was called....

Here's two for the pro Herbert group. [MEDIA] [MEDIA]

Seems utterly bizarre that he focuses on things that the entire league is trying to avoid..... making off script plays throwing to crappy...

Which is why I replied that he values the skills that Mahomes is elite in more than the skills that Tua is elite in.... of course, he immediately...

Not sure how I missed that.....

If he were able to make a consistent logical argument regarding Mahomes vs Tua, I'd probably agree with him. IMO, Mahomes is a better QB but it is...

And which other QBs? Mahomes? Probably agree. Burrow? Probably agree. Allen? No Hurts? No Lamar? No Lawrence? No Purdy? No Basically, IMO, Tua...

And Tua would still have his accuracy, anticipation, ability to look off defenders, and crazy fast release. He would be the same QB physically.

And I disagree with you. I said you were entitled to your opinion. You explicitly mentioned Mahome's bigger arm and running ability as reasons he...

I think it is clear that he does not value the skills that Tua is elite in as much as he values the skills that Mahomes is elite in.

First of all, you are totally entitled to your opinion. Only time will tell, but, IMO, you are massively under estimating Tua's talent. His elite...

IMO, the points allowed is skewed because they have such a bad offense. Combine defending short fields with being on the field all day and that is...

I agree. If we don't have at least one of them for the Jets, we are going to have to be creative and our defense is going to have to pitch a near...

LOL. You think a thread titled "My opinion, we don't have a big time coach or QB" was hijacked???? :sidelol: Good, it should have been hijacked...

Agreed. They were much better at the beginning of the year. Need to get Hunt and Jones (since Wynn is done, right?) back out there.

He is masking their faults not turning them into a pretty good OL. The OL is absolutely limiting this offense.

We've always partially disagreed on QBs. Wilson (actually the offensive philosophy) made that OL look far worse than it was because he held onto...

It isn't the first time, but thanks.

IMO, Waddle made the correct decision since the safety was deep. ATTENTION NON-TUA FANS, I'M BLAMING TUA FOR THE INT. Let's see if I get killed...

I think people radically underestimate the impact of the OL in the passing game because it can be mitigated against with quick throws and keeping...

IMO, the OL is the prime issue every time the O struggles. There were plays against the Raiders where we only put 2 or 3 receivers in the route...

I'll never understand the what if games that get played. They are only played with Tua. Every QB is affected by their supporting cast. I cannot...

Have you ever speculated about ways that Tua could be even better? Have you ever speculated that behind a top flight OL or with a top tier TE,...

No QB is unaffected by the weapons he has. I posted Mahomes' passer rating for this year and the stats for his receivers this year as an example....

Correct. Resnor goes further and says things like "the earth is not 3 dimensional!!!!" and when challenged about his views regarding whether the...

His statements were absolute (i.e. all I've ever said or I've never said). They are easily proven false and he repeats them after they have been...

You are TOTALLY missing the point. The issue isn't even about Tua. It is about integrity. Let me break it down for you. If you wrote "I've never...

It is also kind of fun..... so I'm an insane sadist.

I actually convince myself that people will be embarrassed by getting owned so badly and stop doing it....

Seriously, what are we supposed to do with a poster that says "I've never said X". Then he is presented with quotes of him saying X. No mea culpa....

Best drive of the day was when Hill was in the locker room.

LOL.....

he was down. BS call

No QB makes average players great. Ask Mahomes. He passer rating is almost 10 points lower than last season the lowest since he has been a...

I don't even mind those arguments so much. What makes me crazy is people claiming he does something (always throws to pre-determined spots) or...

Key point above.

This injury does suck for football fans. Burrow is one of my favorite QBs. I cannot stand watching poor QB play and when good QBs get hurt, QB...

With Cincy and Clev losing QBs, that dramatically changes the rest of the season. While Cincy my be out, the teams on their schedule get a big...

wow, wow, wow

Let me try to explain the difference in negative posting styles that gets people riled up. Take the failed snap that sealed the KC game. There...

As he said, it needs to be earned.

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It isn't because the comments are negative. It is because they are either unfounded, illogical, or the result of constantly moving goal posts....

Here is a quote about average arm strength from ME:

Dozens and dozens of posts have been made stating that Tua only has average arm strength and is not a good running QB. Nobody argues it. That's...

This is demonstrably false, so why post it?

Hell Mahomes didn't play any better than Tua in that game. The only difference is the anti-Tua crowd attributes it to the Dolphins defense playing...

incorrect

yes

Only Tua isn't allowed bad games.....

I don't agree that he doesn't have elite physical traits. His release quickness and foot quickness are elite. Those are physical traits. His size...

Explain why.

No, you think he is at worst or best a slightly above average QB.

Check out this proof of the one read QB during the Chiefs game. [MEDIA]

Wait.... you mean that "At best a slightly above average QB" doesn't mean the same thing as "at worst a slightly above average QB"? How is that...

We can agree to disagree. The topic was Tua against KC.

He has made that same claim many times. Just unbelievable.

Nothing but praise from Slay and people still try to twist it.

Correct, this "one read QB" narrative was refuted with video evidence last season. Just nonsense.

Please find the EXACT QUOTE where the coach calls him a one read QB? You are taking one comment and completely misrepresenting it because you are...

He didn't say he was a one read QB. He said "Last year because it was a new offense, there was a lot of time that #1 was open and we just throw it...

Yes you did. The moment you compared Tua's passer rating against the Bills to their rating against all QBs. That is a comparison. Full stop.

I have updated my ignore list.

Are you pretending that you didn't compare to the rest of the QBs without supplying any info at all? This is what you Tua haters do. Criticize Tua...

There you go.... moving the goal posts. I said nothing about the entire conversation. I responded to one post where you referenced the rest of the...

Really? YOU LITERALLY POSTED (TWICE) A CONCERN OTHER THAN INJURIES ABOUT GIVING TUA A LONG TERM CONTRACT! YOU RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT TUA'S...

LOL..... IT'S ZERO SUM GAME!!!!!! Stop using the wrong phrase!!!

You compared Tua to the rest of the league WITHOUT looking at the data from the rest of the league....... LOL do you even read the **** you write?...

That guy has no clue about how offenses work. Look deep all over the field first and then hit the shorter timing routes??? WTF??? How the hell is...

I didn't bring up overall performance. I asked you to research how other QBs do against tougher defenses. You made the comparison to the rest of...

But your only concern is injuries... am I right? Do you know why I keep harping on this? Because I knew you were lying every time you wrote it....

LOL poor misunderstood res.....

So now basing an evaluation of Tua on realistic criteria is moving goal posts? LOL. YOU are the one that brought up the rest of the league. Try...

Now you do the other 30+ QBs that have played this season.....

So many fans lose site of the fact that this is entertainment. I don't like the losses but enjoy the wins and even the good performances that end...

I think two things need to happen. First the offense needs to be tweaked for road games. The process of getting plays in, getting the motion...

That guy is a well known idiot. He ****ing ignores the fact that Slay compared him to DREW BREES. I’ve got news for you and that clown. The goal...

You mean because you don’t post nonsense?

Honestly none of regular Tua haters have any idea what they are talking about.

The comic relief is worth it… for now….

We can agree to disagree on this one.

Do you honestly believe that players don't age and skills don't erode? Really? Moss was 33 in his last year in NE. He only had 56 more catches for...

Because Moss was on the down side of his career. Not the gotcha that you think it is. It fails because Moss wasn't the same receiver and other...

Every time you post, you embarrass yourself more.....

I'm getting it. You are just wrong. I don't care what the weather models say about last week's weather.

I'm not making predictions. I'm evaluating what happened in the past. I don't need a model to predict Brady's passer ratings in the past. I can...

I agree that making predictions is very difficult but the idea that supporting casts don't have a huge effect is wrong. This is true for even the...

Sorry just don't agree with this. Not even close. THey didn't have AJ Brown for the whole season and their other receivers were Nick...

Sorry but supporting cast can have that kind of effect. Take these two consecutive years. [ATTACH] Same team, same HC, same OC, same QB, same...

Is there a down side to being the QB of the #1 scoring offense and the highest rated passer in the league? Trying to figure out why your making...

I almost hope we don't resign so we don't have to read your posts about Tua. How bad is that? I almost want to give up the best QB we've had in...

LOL... "my" act is tiresome.... You've been playing your semantic games for years. Everyone sees it. You have repeatedly said that your only...

But INJURIES ARE YOUR ONLY CONCERN!!!!

I thought injuries were your only concern with Tua...... how did I know you wouldn't stick to that.....

I can see the press conference now.... Coach why does the offense seem like a chaotic mess? Because progressions are BS.

LOL at this comment and the people liking it. Combine this with the idea that you promoted that the receivers should just run whatever routes...

I'm not surprised that this is all you can "understand" from the discussion. Not sure how you can get "he just throws to 1" from the comment that...

I didn't make up and argument. I asked him a question. Try not to get confused.

That's zero sum game....

This should have ended the discussion many posts ago.

Wrong. Only can happen to Tua and it has to be Tua's fault. BTW, that was BS intentional grounding call. They regularly ignore this part of the...

Well thanks for making me reliving the crappy ending but here is Tua releasing the ball. Look where Wilson is. He is at the 24 yard line. Tua is...

Tua releases the ball before Wilson gets to the break. No way for him to know that Wilson will run the wrong route. But if there is no idicator,...

Asking the QB to skip his progressions without having some pre-snap indicator is just wrong. The play where Hill ran the wrong route is different...

Now this is a strawman. Do you want me to prove it? (hint the search function will prove you wrong again)

what strawman? and what did I make up?

I guess we will see when we get home games against the Jets, Dallas and the Bills.

You admitted you weren't qualified to comment on these things. Take your own advice.

Answered in a reply to another of his posts. If he wants to talk up the Jets offense, then he should make the contexts the same.

You can talk about it all you want but you'd better know what the hell you are talking about and most don't. Hell, you liked a post that called...

The Jets score 10 points per game against good teams on the road. You keep leaving the "on the road' part. IMO, it is the on the road part that is...

So you'd prefer that the Dolphins were the 26th scoring offense rather than the first? Take a guess what the Jets have scored against good teams...

You are really really bad at this.... Oh wait, did I just play my zero sum game by assuming when you said that you call it "all or nothing" you...

YOU RESPONDED TO A ****ING POST TALKING ABOUT BOTH SEASONS.

WTF? explain how that attacked a poster

LOL. Embarrassing.....

Wrong. McDaniel covered this. Wilson ran the wrong route.

Because it is called a OPTION ROUTE and the receiver ran the WRONG OPTION. The ball was thrown BEFORE the receiver selected the wrong option. Are...

If the QB sees the defender fall down and sees nothing but open grass, then they likely go off script, but don't expect the QB to see a defender...

You need to study up on going through progressions..... a QB, especially in this offense does not just go randomly from receiver to receiver. The...

I've seen posters claim "an open receiver was missed" after the defender came off a receiver as Tua was making a different throw......

Stop watching how routes continue after the throw to find other throws that should have been made. Makes no sense. That is not how football works.

Not relevant

The Bills are going to be 5-4 after tonight with games @Eagles, @Chiefs, Cowboys, @DOLPHINS, and @Chargers. IMO 7 loses is very likely.

The Bills are going to be 5-4 after tonight with games @Eagles, @Chiefs, Cowboys, @DOLPHINS, and @Chargers. The Bills are more likely to miss the...

LOL coach confirmed it was the wrong route by Wilson..... QB was kinder and referred to it as a a miscommunication. Care to rethink your "blame...

LIE!!!! On my screen they are in aqua and white.

Careful, you're playing a zero sum game!!! (for reference that is what he calls it when the facts prove him wrong)

Oh, he sees it..... he just doesn't mind looking foolish.

LOL sure.

He posts the most disingenuous stuff on the whole site.

Only the people without an agenda.....

You responded to a post of mine. That post was a reply to a post that mentioned last season. If you want to talk about this season then don't jump...

Was it in Miami? If not, IT WAS A ROAD GAME. Jesus, the **** people will argue over and the post gets liked..... F me..... I get dumber every...

Haven't? Ever? Really? So we lost to the Ravens and the first game against the Bills last year? Why lie about that? I don't get it.

The willingness by some to ignore facts is simply astounding.....

Breaking news!!!! It is harder to beat good defenses on the road!!! Film at 11.

I can blame the critics for not using the same standard to judge everybody.

"isn't usually" is not the same as "just doesn't have". That implies that he cannot do it and it is obvious that he can. His more recent deep...

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I was there. I think there were more Marino Pitt jerseys there than Young jerseys.

That is fine. Tua just has to be careful making some throws late. The big armed QBs do too. They just have a bit more margin for error. I'll trade...

I was comparing Young and MARINO. Also, SF chose Montana, year after year after year until he got hurt. He missed the entire 1991 season. He...

Great QB no doubt but, I wonder how much Young benefited from being 30 years old and in the league for 7 years before getting the starting job in...

Marino and Young were contemporaries. Young was never considered on Marino's level during their playing days. This question is pure opinion and...

At least they found what he is good at.

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Does seem to show how much his speed and quickness was reduced by the hip injury. I wonder if he gets any more of it back.

Lol. You’re back?

But injuries are your only concern right?

Cowherd is an idiot. He actually claims that the #1 rushing offense in the league won't do well late in the year???? Why do these asshats insist...

Could it be any more ironic that the same people who refused to take his supporting cast into consideration during his first two years are the...

How about we dig even a little deeper? This season Jimmy G is 4th in air yards per completion, so he is throwing the ball farther down field. Take...

This is exactly what the reporter said to McDaniel. Although I appreciate his answer of "who the F cares?", he should have said: "You're an...

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Agreed. Nice to have the Dolphins QB legacy started back up. Griese -> Marino -> Tua. 24 years in the wilderness is too long.

Have we finally reached the bottom of the well of things to discredit Tua with? "I think his receivers are much better than everyone else's so...

Multi-year window of an elite QB: [ATTACH] Not consistently elite. Why? Inconsistent supporting cast. It is true for EVERY. QB. THAT. HAS. EVER....

I didn't say something that was untrue, you misinterpreted what I wrote. And guess what, I explained it, I didn't deny writing it...... If you...

I was talking about your take on resnor in the recent string of posts. Just your take (1) and the responses by me, cbrad, and TheHighlyExaulted...

Go ahead and try. But, I'll warn you in advance. If you do find it, I'll acknowledge I was wrong. Have you seen resnor do that? Did you notice he...

If all three of us that have been in these debates are all disagreeing with you, have you considered the possibility that you are wrong?

When someone posts I've never said "X" and gets a reply containing their quote saying "X"....... you don't call out the person that found the...

Not sure why you're missing the point...... I can't explain it any better.

Am I not being clear? It is not about being wrong. It is about lying about what you wrote. There are a number that have changed their position on...

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The hunters become the witches when they stop hunting witches and hunt non-witches instead. There'll be plenty to hunt them. You don't think...

Witch hunts should only be stopped when they are not witches......

Really? That's what you get from someone stating "I said he was at worst an above average QB." when in fact he multiple times said something to...

The issue with resnor is not that he was/is wrong. It's that he misrepresents his positions again and again. A few posts ago it happened again. He...

LOL at the attempts to revise history.

This is true for ALL QBs. Why do you think the Bengals drafted Chase? Or the Eagles drafted Smith and traded for Brown? Why did the Chiefs just...

I hate to say it but you'd have a hard time convincing me that there aren't at least a few posters wishing for injuries.....

I honestly feel bad for posters that have put themselves in a position where they cannot fully enjoy this offense.

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Buffalo is capable of doing two things with our OL. (1) - get pressure with just the front 4 (2) stop the run with a light box. That is death to...

I don't have faith in either QB. Also, Trevor Lawrence has been a big disappointment but they should be playoff bound because of the division....

I look forward to him eliminating all of your concerns.

I tried to tell people that McDaniel would get the RBs and TEs more involved. I tried to tell people that he would spread the other team's defense...

While you are technically correct, Tua does have an injury history dating back to college. Also, the concussion vs GB happened on a fall that just...

LOL. Thanks for that.... always good to be humbled now and again... I was HARSH.... I think I remember those days. CirclingWagons and...

Well, I was wrong then..... pretty bold call on your part after 11-5, 11-5, 9-7 (injuries), and 10-6 seasons...

You have a much better memory than me.....

And because of your position, NOBODY has any problem that you were wrong. We are all wrong about things. Kudos to you.

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MAIN????? Should be ONLY. I have no issue with people being concerned about injury.

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The Chargers made the playoffs last season.

Screw JJ. We finally have a Shula replacement.

Are we ALL finally ALL IN ON TUA?

This Sunday I'll be at the Bills-Commanders game. I'll likely be watching the Dolphins game on my phone at the same time.

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They gave not been on the field together nearly as much this season. Last I saw it was < 50% of the time.

As you say, Tua has a number of elite skills. Quickness, arm talent, accuracy, and anticipation are all elite level. Awareness, and processing...

I have no issue with where he threw it. It was single coverage on a night where they were not getting many chances to take shots. It was the...

Anybody concerned that they won't get that fixed? I'm not.

Tua is showing he can do it with big plays or being patient. Good luck rest of NFL..... 9 YPA in the 1st half.

I agree that accuracy, along with layering the football at multiple speeds and hi level touch is arm talent. Never thought of quick release as...

Also, very good pocket awareness, excellent arm talent, very quick decision maker.

BTW, LOL @ Hurts being #2. His own coach doesn't trust him to pass the ball in key points. The Eagles were getting booed in the first half because...

Now below Tua.

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Let's hope Jackson and Eichenberg are added to the list of draft hits also. This would be a hell of a couple of drafts. Tua Jackson Hunt...

IMO, both of the throws that were under thrown were timing issues. He had to adjust in the pocket on both and did not adjust the velocity of the...

On pace for 3655 yards and 34 TDs!!!

Play breakdown against the Chargers from the man himself: [MEDIA]

Looks like the Charger's RBs are fans of Tua and Hill now..... [MEDIA]

Good video. He rightfully stresses the ridiculously quick release. The release, anticipation, accuracy, arm talent, and pocket presence are what...

Nobody is claiming Tua is elite. This is the biggest problem with Anti-Tuanon. Either you think he sucks or you are calling him elite. I merely...

His intent is to deflect credit from Tua in any way he can. This is just what he has been reduced to because all of his other claims have been...

Guess how many times Mahomes faced the Jets..... that's right ZERO. The point is that you want to ding Tua for not playing the toughest pass...

Oh where to begin..... he didn't skip the most difficult opponent twice. That has already been debunked but you state it again anyway. 13 games...

He literally doesn't care if his arguments make any sense, are logically consistent, or factually correct. Must just discredit Tua at all costs.....

You clearly don't know how on target % is measured. It is not based on how open they are. It is just if the pass was thrown accurately. Jesus.....

LOL. so stats don't apply to Tua... gotcha....

Still waiting for an explanation to this conundrum... Can we get a APB out for StaleTacos? Tua led the league in passer rating, YPA, and many...

Not on target %. Having Hill or Chase doesn't make the QB throw the ball more accurately. How is this even remotely confusing? The point to...

Here are the top 10 QBs in intended air yards per pass attempt and on target %. Only ONE QB is top 10 in both. Care to guess which one? [ATTACH]...

https://www.miamidolphins.com/news/tagovailoa-named-afc-offensive-player-of-the-week-9-13-23

Anyone else notice that StaleTacos didn't respond to this..... LOL..

On target throw percentage combined with intended air yards are TOTALLY ON THE QB. They literally measure how accurately a QB throws the ball and...

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Tua led the league in passer rating, YPA, and many other important STATS.... so he was the best QB last season, right? Now is when you try to...

They are stats that isolate the QB's skill rather that smashing it together with the actions of the WR. You must cling to your last knock on Tua -...

Please educate yourself. Look deeper. Try harder. Look into things like on target throw percentage combined with average air yards per target. I...

They make mention early on of Tyreek's improved release off the line. This matches two things. First, it matches what many said about the Chargers...

I'm not sure it is harder throwing to Hill than Berrios but it is much hard to maximize a WR's potential. Getting the ball to him at the right...

He spends the entire post agreeing with me that a great WR makes the OFFENSE better but still has to pretend I'm wrong..... We all know the...

This is becoming unavoidable.

NONE OF THAT MAKES THE QB BETTER. You even changed your statement to "makes their stats better". Take the L.

A great receiver makes the OFFENSE BETTER. If you can find me stats that shows the QBs being more accurate or having a stronger arm or being...

Wrong. There are examples of QBs hurting their WRs. Bad throws, bad reads. etc. They cannot make them better. Does Mahomes make WRs run better...

Based on MY? logic.... Is there something confusing you about these plain statements?

I know, depending on your narrative.... keep up.

And yet..... Hill has publicly stated his goal is to go over 2000 YARDS this season.... on pace for 3600 baby!

He needs to twist around his argument to fit the narrative.....QBs make WRs better right up until you include Tua in the conversation... then it...

108 yards per game is higher than he averaged any season with Mahomes.

Well his numbers with Tua were better than his numbers with Teddy or Skylar: With Tua - 108 yards and 0.54 TDs per game Without Tua - 76 yards...

I already stated that I don't think QBs make receivers better. That's your theory that you only apply when it fits your narrative. You're the guy...

We are talking about ONE receiver and TWO QBs in consecutive seasons. YOU claimed Mahomes makes receivers better.... oh, but not Tyreek, just the...

A bit of perspective for people who doubt Tua. Here is an image that superimposes two frames of one of the throws to Hill. The base frame is where...

LOL....... oops example that doesn't fit the narrative..... forget it.....

Try to follow simple logic. If (as you say) Mahomes make receivers better and Tyreek was no better with Tua than Mahomes..... then logically.........

So if Tyreek had just a good a year with Tua, then Tua also makes his receivers better?

Apparently.... I'm shocked. SHOCKED I TELL YOU!!!

Tua is lying. He only throws to a predetermined spot. Trent said so.

I don't believe any player makes another better. He may make their job easier by being accurate but he doesn't make them better receivers.

Anybody can do that It's the weapons Guys are running wide open He still makes rookie mistakes and throws into quadruple coverage too often He...

I have no problem with this take. Both guys can be good at the same time.

Does he know that there is a search function?

I'm beginning to think Herbert will be considered Rivers by the end of his career if he continues to show limited improvement.

I don't think anyone here doubts Mahomes. They are just pointing out that even he needs a decent supporting cast.

Maybe Josh Allen because he is consistently elite. He never throws bad picks...oh.... crap....

I heard he only throws to spots that are determined pre-snap..... Trent said so.....

Troy Aikman "It is a good as a punt!" Hey Troy, how often do teams punt on third down in FG range????

He makes that ridiculous statement, meanwhile an ACTUAL FORMER NFL QB says that he cannot OVERSTATE how SPECIAL a throw that was...... The number...

No it hasn't. This is simply NOT TRUE. The claim has been he CAN'T. No qualifiers. Period.

How about that Josh Allen???? Now there is an elite QB.

Here is the link to the QB school video. Good watch. What does he say about the throw that every NFL QB can make: "I can't overstate how special...

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