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As a pass catcher and blocker he has grown tremendously, but he is still nowhere near someone like Gore in being instinctive as a runner and...
Anyone that has watched Miller since his UM days knows what kind of runner he is... Someone who excels with running lanes as a minimal cut burner....
Stafford had a 41 TD / 16 INT SEASON, not just a good game or two... and they still want to run him out of town. That's the point. Tannehill is...
I don't think so at all, maybe that makes me a 17 homer... I think this season is a great example of how QBS that looked great came back to earth,...
What you say is debatable is exactly what we are debating. To me he looks about the same QB if not better, better in some areas (if u care about...
Hes having basically the same season as last season except for being better on deep balls with a worse performing offense. What was your point...
So after QB is #11, they start being a product of their team... Got it.
I would venture to guess 75% is pretty good across the league...
Hasn't that always been Stafford? Feast or famine? His accuracy is awful some games, but he's definitely a gunslinger. His team is 3-7 with 15...
It is obvious that was what Taylor expected, but on Dolphins 5th quarter, Sam Madison said that was cover 3 and Taylor should not have left his...
Ross made his worst decision deciding to keep Philbin after that Minnesota win. If he had any patience and wisdom and waited a week for that beat...
Fire Philbin & Coyle, promote Lazor. Yes Lazor has been an issue, but he's more of a leader than Philbin & Coyle, who are definitely not. Run the...
Going down till the end as anti-Tannehill. I'm glad you at least came to the side of let's see him with some help. You're never going to have...
It's ok to have a different standard, I'm just saying, its literally a double standard. People will obviously disagree on how much body of work...
Body of work earns the right to have a different standard. That's basically what you said, you just don't want to say it.
Tannehill's "growth ceiling" is a certainly a subjective thing. Many people think he just had a good, efficient season and that may be about as...
I'm not a fan of Rivers but I don't see why it's crazy for someone to be a fan of his and think he's better than Tannehill. Omar has personality...
I mean was anyone really defending him? He's a diva WR. Some people just wanted to keep him anyways b/c the team is better with him than it is...
I'm happy BUT I hope we continue the direction of going for impact players over the safe picks in the draft. Of course everyone wants impact...
People knock Mangini, but just the small amount I've seen of him makes him immensely more impressive than Philbin or Sparano. Maybe I just value...
5 of the top 10 WRs in yardage are 1st round picks. 1 of the top 10 RBs in yardage are 1st round picks. Seems 1st round WRs are much more likely...
It's a lot of reasons. Some dont have cap space, many already have good DTs, some are already planning to spend big elsewhere. Falcons & Giants...
Absolutely. As I was writing that, I was thinking about the big contracts like Wallace in the past. If you are going to spend big money, it better...
I think that in principle it's true. So the question is whether Suh's case is going to be different or an outlier. I think in this case it could...
[IMG] Warford & Perryman rounds 2 & 3 as well.
Instead of Suh, how about Johnson 4M, Rolle 4M, Gore 3M... there's some leadership.
We already have enough money for everything you listed without including the guys LBsFinest did. Not that I think signing Suh is a good idea.
My first thought last year as well. Hell why wasn't he a reserve OL all year? Probably spoke up a little too much the previous year.
Yes we need to draft an OT without durability issues who can sustain having a 300 lb man fall on his extended leg. Do they test for 300 lb men...
I don't see it... but I don't know how the money aspect works. If we cut him and he has all that guaranteed money, wouldn't resigning him just add...
I really like Walford from the U, as he is a bigger body and can be more of a redzone threat, but this draft is so weak at TE he will probably go...
The WRS are A problem, not the problem. So was the short yardage running game. I want a WR or a TE that can use their body for the ball and a RB...
Count me in for BPA, but open to anything. I think there are vets that can be gotten for S and CB. The cbs from what I've read are not world...
But CK, if you can get a contract now with a reasonable salary and escalators and where you have an out every year, what is the downside? Cutler's...
Omar has been saying for months there's no chance he restructures, and for whatever u say about Omar, he actually is tight with some players. But...
You guys realize Tom Brady's wife make more than him right? It's unrealistic to expect Ryan to take less than market value and that value is...
Even though I don't think they should get rid of him, I think they will, and they'll get rid of Gibson too. Philbin very obviously doesn't want...
I'm of the opinion that Wilson is overrated as well, but you can't deny the results at the moment. He's a SB winner and his scrambling/playmaking...
Yeah agreed draft is a crapshoot. That's why I feel you have to go BPA (obviously within the confines of the needs we have like DT, WR, LB, S/DB,...
I've just heard mixed reviews in general about the DTs that will be available to us like him and Shelton. I'm just saying whoever Hickey feels is...
We also have AJ Francis coming back. I'd be ok with just taking a project NT rather than trying to take a DT in round 1 if they aren't special....
I would love Walford in the 2nd or 3rd. He's 6'4" 250+ and can be our big target in the red zone (former bball player and can jump) plus he's...
I definitely want to get rid of Hartline & Gibson and keep Wallace for a year. But if they get rid of Wallace, I'd keep Gibson for his final year....
I actually think Ponder could be decent playing in this system. He has legs and decent accuracy, could get better under Lazor.
I've read this before but just briefly googling, taking a coordinator job from a lower assistant is NOT considered a promotion and would require...
But how do you know? McFadden was supposed to be great, and Ingram, and Richardson, and a million other RBs. Then they just weren't as good in the...
So that is reason to sit someone, when no one got charged with anything, just b/c neighbors were mad someone was being loud? I mean we don't know...
Sea fans leaving early: Http://ble.ac/1BQzVac
By the way, Brandon Marshall tweeted that Bostick should have been blocking for Jordy to catch that onside kick. Sad I bet that guy really regrets...
Well there is a pic on Twitter of Sea fans that left the game today watching it from outside...
Carrolls was a great example of being aggressive where the other team is not expecting it. Different than just banging your head against the other...
so it's not possible they get stopped and they regret that? I mean I'm all for going for it, but I understand taking points early against this team.
Why does everyone assume they would have made it?
Amazing that he couldn't get his "minimum" 1300 yards a single time in Pittsburgh. His last year in Pitt is exactly what we're getting here and...
This just seems like needless complaining. Every team has holes they need to fill, sometimes major. There is a business side to the game and just...
Getting a 2nd round pick is great but getting a 2nd when the draft already happened is substantially less value.
Obviously if Philbin wants to replace someone there has to be someone that wants to take them, and you have to think about what you are replacing...
It's not a case of editorializing when they claim they have multiple sources they heard it from. Again, I don't really care if you think they are...
It's not speculation when it's reported on from sources. Don't care what you think of the local reporters, just saying it's not like we're just...
I'm not following... Philbin couldn't have said something behind closed doors to Ireland?
I understand there will never be definitive proof but many reporters have said that Philbin wanted him gone. FWIW
I don't get the thought that he was lazy just b/c of that one incident at practice. He was always in great shape, played hard, tackled harder than...
To me it seems obvious Tannebaum will be in charge of everything, but Ross just kind of wants him to oversee Hickey and Philbin for a year. If...
I would trade him for a 2nd. You aren't going to get a quality player in return. I absolutely would rather get a true #1 WR in the 1st than pay...
I don't think Joe is necessarily too conservative on 4th downs, he's taken quite a bit over the years. Where he's not aggressive is the tight game...
Your most important players getting injured hurts your team - Should have been obvious Games won in the trenches - Agreed. Need a G & DT this...
So run the clock a little at first, and then take your shots? i mean we got big chunks of yards running and it was more than possible to go for...
Theres not a stat for everything. We don't have another team with exactly the same players and schedule to compare. But, to your example, there...
CK already explained the problem wasn't the plan but abandoning the plan. Its obvious you are just going to go to never ending lengths to defend...
You are really grasping here. The whole team said afterwards they had planned to go for the first down in that situation and not just try to run...
Thats what I'm saying, I saw numerous times where when one rusher was after him, he escaped and made a play. But it's basically what you would...
Haven't read the whole thread, but DJ, I did see Tannehill grow in escaping the pocket this year. Many games he did well, moved in the pocket,...
I don't think it's that bad or worse than most teams. I think we only for sure need starter quality players immediately at G and DT 2nd tier of...
Wins are a team stat. Tannehill has the same 4th quarter comebacks (7)as Aaron Rodgers, not that they are in the same stratosphere. Luck & Wilson...
QB_ Matt Moore - cut S_ Delmas & Wilson - cut (should have brought back Clemons when he was available) RB_ Knowshon , Thomas & LaMichael James -...
Lot different than quitting though. One is worthy of cutting, one is fairly normal for a WR.
According to this article, where it quotes Gibson, who is speaking for Wallace, it implies that the coaching sat Wallace. This is an except from...
DJ, again... draft a QB 3rd round or lower (maybe a late second if they loved someone) and that's fine. Competition and insurance. But we can't...
pretty much every reporter that has watched more practices than any of us thinks he he should have been a lb too. It's possible it's Dions fault,...
I read a tweet from Barry Jackson saying that was the first 4 TD game by a Phins QB since '98 Marino. Pretty sad if true, but good for Ryan.
The much more obvious answer is that we can't run with authrority and impose our will when we need to. As our rushing attempts go up, our...
You gotta do like Omar, #dropsmic
Brady is obviously great beyond his stats, just an example. I'd be down for a rb but great rbs can be found anywhere. There's honestly too many...
Hes had multiple years the same or worse than Ryan this year. Not that they belong in the sme convo, but he has, as has plenty of good QBs. 90% of...
It should be obvious that YPA, much like passer rating, is indicative of a successful offense. But outside of some QBs that are truly elite at...
I really don't understand the thinking for NOT liking Rex as a potential HC. You can basically guarantee any team of his as top 10 in D every...
Count me in for Rex. Rex's D + with the production we have been getting out of Tannehill (hopefully continuing to progress) can win imo.
Defense was getting rolled on too, why would he think they'd help?
How does the same play happen over and over. Good god bracket Gronkowski.
How is it not a PI when the ball hits Miller in the back of the helmet.
Better believe the Pats are gonna start running it hard.
Sad part is that first drive with the blocked kick, we got so conservative when we got in FG range. That was the run, bubble screen, run, blocked...
Looked absolutely perfect to me too.
Regardless of the results, we should have been taking more shots like this all year.
Why wouldn't those be important attributes when a head coach is ultimately about being a leader? Obviously it doesn't replace understanding...
Wallace runs them now.
how ow hard is it to get someone that does everything Ryan is doing now, but ALSO a game changing playmaker? Again, yes we can get some...
Nobody should really be opposed to a QB that our gm feels may be a steal round 3 or lower, maybe a 2. I do feel the OLine needs to be fixed,...
That means the offense is avoiding it.
My thoughts on our first possession of the game: [IMG]
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Switch QBs and Baltimore still wins imo. It was a footrace to Tannehill all game. Every year we just can't fix the O-line... injuries suck but gdamn.
Yah it's almost like the d can just pin their ears back against this horrible OLine, like every year. No, it must just be that he isn't "clutch".
Sad bc a designed run to the outside on the first play is probably a td.
Well our 3rd quarter scoring stats are dropping.
In retrospect yes, but can u blame him for wanting to go to his second read?
First read was the only choice when he rush just collapses on you.
Of course they are going to go for it, they aren't going to blow another TO.
You see them trying. Protection sucks and Ravens are trying not get get beat over the top as the announcers said.
But our yards per pass play are elite!!!!... D gets picked apart by crossing routes all the way down the field.
Listed as doubtful, but Omar said he's playing, "bank on it." Hopefully he's right.
Playoffs to me is not alone the only measure of success for a season. For one, making the playoffs can mean drastically different things in...
I'm not a Philbin fan or Coyle fan, but like CK mentioned, I'd want to keep Lazor, Benton, etc. If we finish 9-7 or above I'd keep everyone for...
Just checked and here is the remaining schedule for us and our competition, make of it what you will. One of the Bengals/Steelers/Browns/Ravens...
QBs that throw 4 tds and zero picks, while scoring 39 points, at home, win a lot. News at 11.
Obviously his rating is higher when an int happens bc of a tipped ball. 201 yards rushing doesn't have anything to do with losing? What is your...
It absolutely was elite QB play when your QB scores 4 tds and have over 100 rating. He and Peyton had basically the same stats and played the same...
If we win this game and end up losing to the Jets, Ravens & Pats, then no, this game didn't define anything. The goal is 10-6 to get a playoff...
I think he's been much better this year. Reports out of TC were he was hitting them much more often, and his throws have just looked better this...
He's improved this year for sure, minus the late game TOs.
Vernon would have destroyed Orton.
Whew.
Watch they will stop blitzing now.
They used the whole clock.
2nd half Dolphins?
Screw trying to be conservative. Do the same thing that got you there. Too much time left to think 10 pts is all we need.
I hope next possssion we bomb it to shut ppl up.
At the very least should be 1st at the half no?
Thank GOD we have kept blitzing.
That pick could literally be playoffs or not, people getting fired or not.
Horrible.
We HAVE to get some pressure. No more letting them drive down the field and eat up the clock.
Well time of possession much?
We HAVE to blitz from here on out. Front 4 getting nothing otherwise.
And this is why it's hard to blame Tannehill.
Mitchell.
Man I don't understand not playing McCain.
i agree you can't do it only once a game. It's a low percentage play to begin with. That play John Brown in AZ did is also something Wallace will...
This game is a classic example of fans with unreasonable expectations. You should have known beforehand there was a strong chance we would lose,...
That bootleg to Clay was so beautiful and I just wonder why we see it only every few games. Ryan did use his legs on his own a few times in the...
It really just feels like this coaching staff panics and sh*ts the bed in the last two minutes of a game. The timeouts are bad and even the...
Hoping for a pick if they go for the end zone.
We can't run and they have tos, might have to stop me again.
Damn inches from blocking the punt. That kid McCain is insane at rushing.
Regardless of the drop, we're seeing Tannehill do things he didn't before. Sucks, he deserves that td.
We're in the game, that's about it. Need a score to be in good shape.
Like losing Wake or Grimes, just not really replaceable. Sucks.
For sure there were plenty of times he had nowhere to go. He's not going to get better at evading instantaneous bull rushes right into his face as...
I am a Tanne supporter, and I agree I really didn't see anything out of the ordinary with his accuracy before (although it's much better now). But...
Tannehill looked great. I think his accuracy lately has been outstanding, better than anyone outside of the elite IMO. What we needed to see from...
I understand this site has higher quality of posts and a better atmosphere, which is why I like coming here. Just meant costs of running a site...
One thing I don't understand and forgive me if this is out of line, but what does this club money go to? Websites are trivially cheap to run...
The game has changed it how it's officiated and how defenses are allowed to play sure, but really isn't it about identifying man or zone, throwing...
Sports can be very much about confidence, decisiveness, strength of will sometimes. Sometimes less eloquent sayings can still be profound. I'm not...
This coaching staff has done too many stubborn things to list... The answer should be obvious. Why did they get Dion to gain weight and force him...
It doesn't all have to be read option. Many also want more designed roll outs and boot legs, things that give him the option to take off or make...
I believe they had D Williams dressed in Chicago ahead of Gibson. That doesn't make much sense to me. It's in Barry Jackson's article:...
How about them finally running a bootleg, and the read option on a 4th and 1. I am and have been in complete agreement with you that we not only...
Why not take a shot?
Tanne 10/10 with 2 tds? Am I still dreaming?
I know we can be mad at Ryan for taking the sack, but man can Sturgis ever be counted on? 50 isn't some astronomical number.
Wow a bootleg. We have that in our offense.
He had that groin injury lingering for a long time. He did normally have a strong leg before.
You said "best", not "most efficient".
You are the one that made the assertion that variables even out over time, so it would be your job to support that assertion.
Assumptions don't work well in stats.
Definitely not one of the best in scoring D...
I think Finnegan was just trying not to blow the tackle... lot harder to tackle cleanly when you have to close that much space.
Here's one big reason, do we really need to be 10+ yards off the line on a fake spike? [IMG]
For sure what stood out about Tannehill in the 2nd half to me was extending plays a little bit more and not looking like a statue in the pocket....
Plus a bootleg or rollout QB can just slide to kill the clock or throw if it's open... Best of both worlds when you want use clock but also...
Exactly.
I really don't know why we can't try for one game to call a lot more plays where the QB is on the move. We see Seattle and it seems every other...
40 yard line with over 2 min. Should have went for the first down.
They won't now that they have no tos, they will run it twice. Hope I'm wrong.
That was just a great play. We are down one score, plenty of time.
Bc he is one maybe?
That was a VERY Matt Moore-ish throw. He needs to do stuff like that more often and not be so robotic.
I've known FTL cops that would joke about beating peoples *** at clubs on the weekend, then charge them with bs after. I think I'd hold off on...
Tanne's problems to me are not system based. I don't even have a big issue with his "placement" this year, bc I think everyone misses throws. His...
We have him here next year as well, so I'd roll with him next year too. Pick up competition in the draft either way though. Doesn't have to be...
Feels like Seattle runs some form of a rollout a lot more time than that..
Like the one bomb Henne ever hit lol.
The fact that Smith has a crazy QB rating right now is why I don't like the stat. He hasn't done anything and Tanne has played better IMO. Smith...
What did you see that the team did different in the 2nd half? It was like all the sudden the line could block, Tanne had time, and the plays worked.
Yes he doesn't usually do it. One of the few good things he's done is bring in a 2 min drill. Still doesn't make it not gutless. I mean at least...
Or the Wallace sideline TD that is, worst case, just both of their faults.
For the first two games of this year, I can't agree with those descriptions. It's like you guys act like he looks like John Beck or Cleo Lemon out...
I don't remember all the throws, but I remember two being on Hartline.
Idk I guess we just disagree on #4. I don't think it was behind him at all. It was a normally placed ball when someone is crossing, much like the...
#2 has been beaten to death but I feel it was a great throw on the run and I was impressed in real time. #4 was just a decently placed ball,...
Thats pretty much exactly how I feel too. All you can do in that situation is to draft competition yearly.
To me, yearly stats of 30ish tds and half that in picks, while being able to make all NFLs throws, is my criteria. You can easily win with that if...
Without thinking about it too hard... Newton, Romo. I'm sure there a ton of historical examples. edit: Removed Rivers, was just looking at stats.
I really don't see any other QB get lambasted over ball placement as much. I saw Tanne fail to deliver it in a good place a few times that...
He played mediocre, certainly not terrible as some people are suggesting. That's fine, you draft a QB next draft for competition. I don't...
Do people really think Matt Moore or any other backup QBs ball placement would be better? Bc it won't, and Moore would have probably turned it...
Exactly. I can understand running the clock out, but you absolutely take a shot at least once.
2 and a half minutes AND we get the ball back. Wtf... There is no reasoning for not trying to get something, we didn't even have any turnovers,...
He's made plenty of no-name receivers look great in his career.
Welker had a pretty damn good year with Cassell, though I do think Brady makes his receivers look good, just not to the same point that Manning does.
Do we have a video of the throw? I'm going from memory but I remember being really impressed with the throw considering we was on the run and kind...
i agree we can miss the playoffs but still show enough improvement. But what system are you talking about that Philbin the decision maker has...
His IT is being really good at pass rushing. No need to make it some ethereal concept.
Playoffs would be nice, but you never know how the conference plays out. I do think some individual stats are extremely important. For me, can...
Im sure he'd be off cycle by the time he came back to camp. He'd keep most the weight but not be as explosive as he was 30 lbs lighter.
Not saying it's not effective, but the style of play and passes he throws are extremely favorable to having a high QB rating. See Luck's rating...
It's bizarre... They go to 1 receiver 1st and 2nd down and then shotgun full spread...
Hes definitely has elite pocket presence, escapability, play breakdown play making... And I guess since he just won you can say that's enough....
Omg Wilson under threw him what a scrub
Could easily see Thigpen destroying our LBers in space, although they pretty much everyone does that. We'll see if he gets off the PS by next time...
Why are you trying to stand up for SOS as some important stat? It's really not, and not all stats are equal or useful frankly. It's just like +-...
I'm just saying regardless of the fact that NE was 12-4 and the Jets and and others were 8-8, I don't feel like they were tough opponents. Not all...
I don't exactly know how SOS is calculated, but if it's just going on final records I think that's flawed. You have to understand records are not...
The only positive I see out of Philbin is that we have had some semblance of a 2 min offense under him. Everything else I agree with most...
Yeah its a little blind hope on my part based on the fact that he had a reputation for chewing teammates out in practice. It'd be nice if he would...
Thats exactly what I was hoping for from Marino. I don't think he was the knowledge or expertise to be a head of football operations/GM/etc., but...
i doubt Philbin and Hickey share your attitude that we should abandon the season if Tannehill goes down, seeing as how they'd both probably be fired.
Yah most I'd say would be a fourth, but more likely a 5th or later. Moore doesn't have crazy value IMO bc he doesn't have any long term chances of...
I feel like we got the down years of a lot of those teams year, including all of our division opponents (that we didnt take advantage of). Just...
Why wouldn't he be good at giving advice on whether someone is a good coach, someone is a good QB, someone is a good leader/teammate, etc?...
On that catch I believe he jumped to catch it with his body too... Hate that. It's frustrating watching him sometimes.
Lol few and far between obviously. I remember him starting out with some strong games but that was a long time ago. His most frustrating thing to...
Thought Moreno looked good as well. Williams and Dawkwa looked good too, but then again DT has looked good during actual NFL games. Not sure what...
Yes, and the reason I think he isn't is what I posted. You call it touch but I call it knowing how much to float it so the receiver can run under...
Im just saying he needs to do it in general. Henne did the same thing where he didn't float it enough. It helps period. Even Tebow had a good % on...
Deep ball completions have more to do with floating the ball up there than anything else. Tanne needs to look at that and stop trying to get it...
Horrible throw. Maybe Tanne will stop trying to force to Hartline one day. Wonder why we haven't seem much Gibson?
Yes I said that. Either Tanne threw to the wrong spot or wallace took to long to get there. By timing I meant the plan is the ball to be in the...
When Tanne lofts it up like than 2 seconds after the snap, it's a timing throw IMO.
The deep pass looked like poor timing on someone's part, no one is THAT off. It's like Tanne was throwing to a spot and it just wasn't the right...
Rizzi found a way to fix the ST.
Man it looked like Moreno was on the fumbled ball and touched, then another guy comes in and hits him. Would think that'd just be dead ball.
Moreno knows where the hole is. Great replacement for DT.
Davis has been starting boundary now with Finnegan nickel according to Omar.
Watch Egnew, Thigpen, etc. go on the Pats or other teams and kill us later. Same with DJ if we ever got rid of him. Ireland had his issues but the...
That rollout was disappointing for sure and the tipped ball was pure luck, but I don't think it's that out of the ordinary early in the game to be...
Thomas has to go for sure, we can't do this again this year. I'd put Smith back at RG where he was basically all of camp to both improve our run...
I understand that very well. Every player always wants to say they unknowingly took something. You can choose to believe them if you wish. I'm...
And I'm saying your example is poor. It says blend but then says right under it what exactly is in it... Valine, Leucine, Isoleucine. The blend...
Dude, BCAAs are a very specific thing (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branched-chain_amino_acid). It's most definitely NOT going to contain...
I get you, I'll just remain extremely skeptical (no offense).
I did before I posted. Just bc you don't know what the names are doesn't mean others don't, it's standard stuff and very controlled substances....
More like got caught. You can take steroids that are out of your system in hours. Most people get caught on other drugs like anti estrogens and...
75% of that list is not available at GNC or over the counter period, and they aren't mysteriously showing up in supplements bc they aren't legal...
Judging by his massive body difference I'll say steroids bc there is no legal supplement that does that.
How the hell do you know what he took? The nfl can't say and he has every (and every other player caught) reason to say it was something innocuous...
If we had him as a 3-4 olb I'm sure he would be fine, instead we try to fit a square peg in a round hole. He looked good to me last year when we...
He's an awful passer but I would have liked to see someone try to run a team with Tebow at QB in a true read option like at UF. The problem is you...
I like Omar bc he has, for years, worked his *** off on getting out news. Much more than other writers that others hold in high regard. He tweets...
Sorry, I didn't mean you can continue to do that and win. I just meant some QBs known for INTs have still won (when they put it together for long...
Well you can win like that, look at Eli, Flacco, Brees, etc. But your QB has to also be throwing multiple TDs in those games and not just be...
Don't they know he's a winner?
Miller has made some bad decisions on his chances so far, but he never had that problem at UM. His td against the Raiders in his rookie year was...
I don't like the ranking either, but I can see why others may not see the Phins as much. Our OLine is still a big mystery and one Albert injury...
As someone has already said, the NFL is NOT allowed to say what the player failed for. The players and their reps always get out and say it is for...
You never know though, the team could be 10-6 or even 11-5 and Tanne could have 30 TDS but we could still miss the playoffs. Let's just hope for...
Your definition of "wins at his job" then needs further defining though as does "a winning team". It's completely arbitrary, unless you say they...
It's like you are arguing against the opposite of what I'm saying. I implied in my first post I thought Marino and Zach were "winners" (for lack...
I was pointing out the ridiculousness of that logic. Of course someone doesn't become a loser if they go to a losing team, and indeed even if they...
No that's NOT what I'm saying. I'm saying, for one, there isn't even a coherent definition for a winner. You basically just listed a bunch of...
So winners are winners and winning is contagious. Got it. But losers can become winners by being around other winners. Then there are born winners...
First of all, there is no "identical" players so your scenario would never be testable to begin with. But I'll say this, the majority of what...
That fact that you even use the term "winner" means its a conversation not worth having, especially with someone not even D1-A. Winning doesn't...
Oh God here we go with another "winner". Most overused and useless adjective in sports attributed to an individual.
ITT: Terminal Illness drug prices were cheap before Obama.
jw, but how does points per d position remedy this?
Not really, I just think he's been so up and down. Look at his playoff record. A lot of good and lot of bad. Hard to say where he'll end up, he...
Hes been what we thought with making the playoffs and playmaking, but I think his stats are definitely subpar considering he was thought to be the...
His contract last year was only 1 year 1 million. That's like 1/5th of Finnegans lol.
I get what you are saying, but again and as the comic explains, free speech only has to do with the government limiting you. Does it stink that...
I don't understand why you guys on the other side of this act like there is a law in place or something. The only public "protection" here is that...
So much irony in this post and your position. Sad really.
There is nothing Facist about it. This is pure capitalism. The company you work for doesn't want you affecting their bottom line, alienating...
What situation are you referring to where the government stepped in?
Not to mention the numbers in the younger demographics, which are usually what advertisers care about.
The problem with your argument is that there is no "we". We don't have a say in anyones employment more than just calling/writing that business,...
Sure, but with the majority of consumers disagreeing with that, that wouldn't be very smart business wise. Of course there can be examples the...
The only thing that abridges his rights would be the government silencing him. If the team wants to fire him, that's up to them. Any business...
Rather than try to debate whether an opinion should be respected, why don't you explain your opinion, if it is your opinion, that being gay (and...
To the title of the thread, Ireland didn't draft need taking Jordan last year and giving up a second as well. Also, isn't it a common criticism of...
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Everything is opened up for the trade down!
If we trade down, then I would consider teddy or Johnny regardless of liking Ryan.
Hope we trade down tbh, so many good ppl still.
I wonder if Hickey wold go safety. I heard he likes them.
Just like Mario Williams and Watt, they'll just end up getting rid of one. Always diminishing returns and money concerns with redundant stars.
Not to defend Omar too much, but no one here would consider Bortles, Manzeil or Bridgewater if they dropped to us?
Yeah didn't even think about our rb blocking, which accounted for a bunch of sacks. Thats a good point. Seems like Tanne improved his awareness...
I think our Oline is already better than last year, and that's not even accounting for the fact that I think our line play could have been...
I do get everyone's point about getting at OT while you can, but I guess it just feels wrong to keep spending so high on another OLineman. We...
When was he good at bombs? With Randy fkn Moss? Brady has never had a cannon, not to say he's not great.
Brady does not throw a great deep ball. Maybe if you are talking 30-40 yards he has a decent ball bc of his timing, much like Manning, but neither...
I mean we have a qb on a rookie contract and had a lot of expiring contracts, so we have space. Signing FAs does not prevent Hickey from drafting...
Finnegan used to be really good. I understand he had a bad PFF score, but come on. I'm going to be optimistic here, and I was never a fan of...
Yeah... My attitude is, even if Richie didn't use the n word and people didn't use homophobic slurs, or any of that stuff the media cares about,...
I think we have to get at least one oline starter from FA. It's not realistic to draft 4 starting online in one draft. id just go for the best...
Now just make sure to not give him an extension if we win 3 games in a row.
I don't even understand the point of Aponte. Planning and managing the salary cap is a job for a mid level executive or a director, not a VP. NFL...
He would have less say on personnel with the Bucs, where they gave Lovie Smith final say, and still have to deal with a coach he didn't pick in...
Why give someone a deadline if you really want them?
No offense but I'm not sure those articles mean Philbin necessarily wanted him or he just wanted the deal finished by a certain date. Not gonna...
Where have you seen that Philbin wanted Leach? I've seen reporter say that Philbin doesn't even believe in having a FB.
Let me guess, it's Ireland's fault that Bush/Marshall/Long/Dansby/Burnett are gone too? Philbin's got rid of a lot of talent too.
About Luck, one interesting stat I saw is that he lost all games in which he passed for over 300 yards this year. Ryan was 3-2, with the losses...
Don't you get it? He doesn't want to do that bc he thinks Philbin is great for some reason. I wish they would have canned everyone, or just kept...
FYI He was the OC under Kubiak with the Texans for two years before being the OC with his Dad. He's been pretty good when he's had talent.
I don't like Armando either, but only the biggest of Ireland haters WOULDN'T have been angry with the game planning, play calling, and lack of...
Guys, no chance Philbin is out. Ross wouldn't make him get rid of Sherman to then fire him. It sucks bc you're going to have to find a potential...
Would have rather everyone go, but obviously Ross loves Joe. hope we get someone good.
We get it, you don't like Ireland. Anyway about the article, I don't like Perkins as a writer and like him even less now that he says Sherman...
I mainly blame Sherman, but Philbin was an OC And Oline coach before coming here, so unfortunately he is complicit. Without a doubt Ireland is too...
How about if the OC QB sneaks on half the time 3rd and 4th and 1s, or rolls out or bootlegs on 3rd and 5s, 3rd and goals? Ryan is developing, but...
And the first Bills game was coming off of a bye, and the Bucs game was off a 10-day rest...
Because frankly he has a very good case the team should have won more games and been in the playoffs, which is obvious because the #1 target Ross...
As I've said in other threads, Philbin is a former OC and with OLine background. Why would we assume that he would do anything different from what...
Am I the only one that doesn't think us missing out on Harbaugh and Fisher is a sign of us struggling? I mean, at the time, no one thought we...
I feel like the 2013 class can be pretty good actually. Rookie corners almost always need a few years, and unfortunately our top pick needed a...
All of those players are under contract though (minus Binns maybe?). I think we have enough money to keep say Grimes, Clemons, one of...
Yah Ebron is a monster. He would compliment our recievers and TEs so well... Wallace, Hartline, Gibson, Binns, etc. + Ebron, Clay, Sims, Egnew....
I didn't read the whole thread after seeing the OP say that Ryan will never be Manning or Marino, as if that's a reason to get rid of him. Two...
Pretty much agree with you. I'd just want the obvious things, like fixing the Oline, a big receiver, and this team would be a lot better with a...
KB21, you can stop trying to convince us that the team only has talent for 7 points in 2 games. Philbin and his staff suck plain and simple. I...
I'd only get rid of both together, for these reasons: -I don't like the dynamic where a GM comes in and sticks with a lame duck coach and staff...
I think we'll beat the Jets and most likely not get in due to tiebreakers. Hard to even say we'll beat the Jets though after Rex Ryan sees this...
There's no reason you can't run screens, pitches, roll outs, dump offs, etc. There's no reason you can't try trick plays in a game your season is...
No but they can put players in position to succeed. One example would be screen vs a blitz or moving pocket when u cant block.
Coaches can only do so much? Is one of those things never caling a screen, draw, or rollout?
Thad Lewis was probably Buffalos worst all time QB, but they found a way to win twice. Make due, know your own weaknesses and find a way.
You guys realize there are plays you can run against an attacking, blitzing D? You realize we didn't run a single one? There's no coaching...
Their talent isn't even good. I hear their coach is though.
Talent has almost zero to do with the way we were embarrassed today.
And competing is on who?
How has there not been a single screen, draw, roll out? That's Ireland's fault?
I'm sorry JW, this is what I was talking about with Sherman. How do we not screen, roll out, pass to our backs, etc.?
Jeff Ireland ordered it.
How can we not screen, roll out, ANYTHING. Slow to adjust coaching staff again.
These are the games I feel you need the coaches to earn heir keep. Use screens, options, roll outs, etc. make it work. Lining up as normal and...
Im not completely blaming our coaches at all. I'm just saying I don't see how 99% of the fan base completely blames Ireland while the coaches get...
I understand there was a rumor about Philbin wanting Incognito gone, but are we really giving Philbin and co. A complete pass on the teams...
I can see Ireland getting the axe bc of his perception, along with the Incognito incident and all. I don't see the boards attitude that he is...
Surely someone from Green Bay will fix the O-Line.
What QB doesn't miss throws or have inconsistencies? We've just seen Manning lose to a team we beat and Brady lose to us. He's not a HoFer by any...
Picking on will Davis.
Why do you assume Ireland doesn't want analytics to "aid" in decision making? Why is analytics the #1 qualification for being a GM? Why can't you...
Posted this in another thread, before the game: As much as I don't want to stand up for Ireland,...
Yes if Cinci loses out and the Ravens win out or go 2-1 beating the Bengals, we could have the same record and still get in since we beat Cinci....
20 tds now.
This is the type of game that gives a team some resiliency. IIRC we came back twice in the second half.
Yeah I REALLY don't think u can review the play and then call a penalty. We probably would have been screwed.
Yes we won.
Bc they would have only needed a fg to tie it up. Much easier than a td
If u were gonna call the TO, why not do it before the 2m warning?
Btw guys Tanne at 20 tds.
i think Russel Wilson and Aaron Rodgers would be having similar success with this roster, sorry.
And without the Qbs those teams look like what? Obviously Harbaugh has made some chicken salad out of not much but basically everything devolves...
As much as I don't want to stand up for Ireland, how can we give a free pass to coaching? Look at Sparano... a Neanderthal and has done nothing...
Earlier in the thread (among other places) people are blaming him for getting rid of Marshall, Bush, etc...
Do people really think it was all Ireland that wanted Marshall gone, and then the next year the whole leadership council? IMO Philbin had a lot to...
The panthers used two timeouts there...
I agree... I mean I'm sure Sherman and Tannehill wish they could get 4-5 yards on a run once in a while. Hard to judge them too much with the crap...
Game was lost by not scoring in the 2nd half. Realistically that falls on Sherman but also our complete inability to run the ball and have a...
I don't understand, do you people expect no team to score a td on us? You should know its going to happen eventually, that's why we need to score.
People need to understand we probably aren't going to hold them to 100 yards in the 2nd half and need to not freak out if Carolina scores a td....
I agree. Tannehill needs to throw it further, but its like all Wallace can do is wait for it to hit him in the belly... Stop, jump for it, get hit...
Need some damn luck.
PI can't stand this thinking and I hope our team doesn't think that way.
I was screaming at the tv Just RUNNNNNN!!!!!
The key here is for the team to not freak out (like members of this forum) if Cincinnati scores, and they will most likely score. Have some...
Fn run you people, you are supposed to be fast.
I don't understand how Miller doesn't go to his left running in all that open space.
I'm ok with looking into options every year, but to me Tanne hasn't been the problem, he's been the best Qb we've had in a long time. His game was...
Ok then go get one. Find the "winner" qb that is so easy to get. Keep the same oline and weapons though, I want to see how that works.
If I was Philbin, I would just show a YouTube clip of that in the presser after the game.
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