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Cut...? That quickly eh..., I don't disagree with the part I bolded

Bring in changes (talent) on the Oline... (TE) and you'll the QBs perform better..., as will the RBs and WRs BP, Ireland, and Sparano aren't...

Yes i agree

Narrow :001_rolleyes:

Nice.... :up:

:blushing: Stop I'm gonna pee my pants...

that's true..., you were the first

But........................, he ain't going to be our new HC.... :)

Oh my - oh my...?

Oh I hear you Adam..., I just know that if I can trade down and take less... I'm paying less and I still get a good player... BPA - DE/DT/QB...

No I was agrreing with you..., 13-3 who can argue with that...?, that's nonsense..., similar to the guy who wrote that Indy was built wrong......

agreed

I would take less to get out of that position... Not many will agree... But we are re-visiting RBrown VS Braylon Edwards VS. SMerriman......

Adam..., Sam posted this before and I believe the point is... "Would you trade a first overall for what amounts to Matt Hasselbecks ceiling..."...

My take I think Roman makes sense..., trade down get your "bounty" of whatever it is hopefully picks for both this year and next.... and choose...

Nonsense

I'm with you too:stupid:

NO NO NO

Thanks for the love man... OSABAN it's cause and and effect..., I'm not supporting two arguments... The top picks could be linemen one on either...

Yes my boo boo I meant logan mankgins(sp?)

Absolutely

They also have QB's who get rid of the ball quickly and accurately. Talk about playing both sides... Everyone agrees that the "D" is in...

Volek didn't have to do too much but i think he was 3/4 on his passing..., I agree we'll draft a Qb and then we'll say that he was ranked on our...

Thanks to you Fanatical One..., for giving us "the reply of the day"

Thanks Danny

OMG - The offenses were by far the reason these teams won..., SD "D" had to be on it's game VS. Peyton and Crew but..., I mean they kept throwing...

This is good General

It is tougher than most realize but the flexibilty is there if you want..., gotta find a sucker GM is all

Thank God this debate will be over next year..., mark my words

DEAD WRONG - Houck was thrown a bone each year..., these are not corner-stone Olineman..., outside of Carey Satale First & second rounds what do...

You are preachng to the choir baby..., :ffic:

Take it back... I swear take it back...:(

This is not an anger-issue... He is just expressing himself :smartass:

How about throw gas on me and me light on fire...

broke my heart

Exactly

Love your post It's not about J.Long necessarily (he likely becomes an All-Star RT - who cares right) Long is not the only salvagable OT of...

:bighug: BEEEEAAAUUUTTIIFFFULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Excatly we can..., we have the flexibility... To solidify some spots for yeasr to come...

:hi5:

You and me bro..., bring it home...:hi5:

THe desfense wore down as the offense had zero..., momentum... zilch..., nothing..., no insurmountable leads were ever built..., the D couldn't...

I'm on what you and Bill are on...:ffic:

If Sparano takes the HC with us then he has thought it through he knows what Bill can do..., and everyone is up front with it..., Cam was already...

Big Ben beat us... that tookie year in our own yard if i remember correct

Too many excuses..., on a brutally wet field in Miami rookie QB Ben Rothlesberger..., beat our veteran defense... He either can play and make...

I don't think Jason Garrett is coming to HC

Uh oh..., that bit about the TE means that Ginn and Beck might not make it as professionals..., because the coach is riding their ____ (fill in...

:stupid:

Should we trade down and we still think he is the guy..., yes... First overall - 40 million no one strikes me as a 40 million dollar guy......

Zach is likely done with the whole concussion thing..., he should leave the game or be willing to face what Bill Romanski deals with every day of...

Probably a great special teamer..., and back up FB... I wouldn't use anything more than a 7th rd on him though

You hit it dead on..., I already wrote that I made a poor argument then I honed in on what I could have wrote clearer and then you went back...

I don't think so bub..., you can come up with all the combine stats you like when Lbs and Dlinemen are not in your face and knocking down your...

Exactly..., let's watch LG and Ginn run down the field while our Qbs are pancaked..

That's true..., that's true...

Umm..., Dorian died....:huh1:

It was a poor argument on my part..., what I was trying to say... Game speed and running pylons are different beasts..., Andre Ware was very...

the guy is a statue..., Andre Ware could run to you know

You broke your own command...:unsure:

We aren't that far off then...

Wanny-ball was win with Defense... Don't turn the ball over... Everybody got pretty tired of that... "defense bails out Jay Fieldler one more...

These mock drafts that poop up I mean pop up are rather one-sided wouldn't you say...?

-Ha ha!

It ain't backwards... There area lot of proven athletes out there who don't command the $ of tested Oline and QB...

3rd means the first pick of the second day..., right... I'm down with that... Qbs will climb at the combine that doesn't necessarily mean...

I'm with Rocky..., this mock is nowhere's close...

OBOY..., if Brohm say fell to 32 you don't think that's a good choice..., while they rank high Qbs will fall as Jrs enter the draft

Me too

You don't get something for nothing unless you are the Pats..., and the boy has a a lot of game left in him

Brutal wasn't it...:sad:

You can..., get to 20-25 but you don't have to..., it's just the option that is available..., it's having the option that makes it interesting...,...

Run DMC or D-Mac can launch the ball..., he often takes the ball from center and they run some crazy formations and options..., somewhat like LT...

Sweet... :lol:

Not much seperates these guys and we'll see where the Brass goes first..., trading down is not as simple as it seems but it seems logical...

That's a great paln if we can find a partner..., we have great flexibility moving around this draft..., with the extra second from Chambers we...

HA HA

Tim bowens not David Bowens He is referring to our better than average DT years gone by... Hey does Dorsey have his all his toes...?:up:

We need more than a "bone" on the Oline is all..., finish the line..., line up and beat your opponent down... play some WANY BALL as some like to...

Good answer at this juncture

:bighug: did someone say Oline

OMG and win with WANNY-BALL... Wanny-Ball never works...:001_rolleyes: Now you have really opened up a can of wor,ms for yourself...

No question..., but what a good offensive line..., again it's time to invest in some top quality pork up there... RB would also appreciate it...

There's always rounds two and three to find wide agile bodies

I like what you say but I really want to see some improvement on offense by the end of the first draft day..., do we ever need play-makers...,...

HOF let's not get ahead of ourselves..., we put another clear cut stud across the line and the entire line might be something special... BP likes...

I for one don't think your far off the mark Adam and i was around long before Marino ever came to town..., Simms... Elway... Montana... you can...

Just someone please upgrade this teams ability on the line... We have the picks and finally the flexibility to deal around....

Couldn't agree more - then we'll see a consistent run game...

Particularly Oline... while Defense was banged up we didn't see the real Vonnie H. or Mattt Roth for that matter... BP will find late rounders...

Camarillos could be someone's cuzin

Me too..., the dough usually goes to the guy who keeps the D off your stud QB..., things seem backwards around here...

Isn't this the best reason you don't sink all this cash into this guy...:up:

Lots of fun but not realistic Desides is correct cleveland might trade with us for JT..., I know I would do it..., but it would break my heart...,...

As duly noted on these forums the guy is potentially too athletic to be a noseguard and for that kind of money...? I think Dorsey is...

Dan Conner PSU and Ryan QB...? Strike Hercules off that list...!

You got it straight up

:bighug: I love you man..., take a QB in the late second or third

J.Long of those 4

THE CONTRACT:up:

Wrong..., we need to finish our Oline.... We don't have a line to challenge the best..., and FA Oline are expensive... Jake Long will be top...

Thanks for the support you hit it on the head... I don't hate anyone...

Trust me when I say I want be wrong...

Time will tell:lol:

Then we'll see..., but Bill can take less and drop down and still get QB or Oline (OT) and still get extra picks..., to shore up the Defense...

We need a field general... We need depth everywhere..., understand we are starting over... Are defense was on the field the entire season the...

I didn't see ZTmaking it through the season..., too much and tear..., and yes he should shut it down for the sake of his family... I Love the...

Good post..., we need a stable of competitors can't just say this guy was chosen in the second rd so he is the projected starter of the future......

Pick no.9 at good time for Willis or Okoye..., if BQ made them nervous... Our D could have used the energy infusion considering they were on...

Exactly... people merley speculating..., Mueller Cam and Saban all brought players under Houck..

Do you have some link to this story...? While I am not disagreeing with you... I speculate the same..., the guy is like the Offensive face and...

I live in Calgary, Canada and have been watching Ricky since he was in College..., and he was like "nothing special" in the CFL... In Toronto the...

While the first part is true the last line not all justified :sad:

the past might revisit... if you don't call a spade a spade..., that's all that was done here..

I love you man...:ffic:

Me too... Straight up..., i like CK... But i disagree..., that's OK

Took the words out of mouth...

Ridiculous...:huh1:

Let's not forget Football is catching, blocking, tackling, avoiding would be blockers..., rather fundamental..., the fundamentals don't change...,...

:lol:

I would keep JT till he decides to quit..., Zac I think is finished..., and I'm worried about him post-career...

Thanks for everything but watch "the door" on the way out

Many feel like he lost the locker room with the Culpepper - T.Green circus/fiasco/blatant lie That's right blatant lie... about competition for...

:hi5:

Not sure what Zac has left..., do we want to see him leave with brain damage..., there must be a starting role for Crowder...

Oh man... I just wet myself again... :)

one out of four not bad..., give it up for Adam and i hope he's right about 2...

Friend you have done solid homework and i tip my hat to you..., I think zac is gone and I think J Taylor could be pried from the team for the...

Yes I agree:thumbup:

Probably unintended but this thread strarter comes across as a fact..., whereas it is mere speculation..., this may be in fact true

BP & Ireland will decide who their guy is it has nothing to do with Cam starting first...

You have a good point...

I actually agree with you... on Ginn..., Brown was top ten... and the best RB..., better than Gore but their was some top-notch Denseive help...

Ummm... the jury is still in their Chambers (no pun intended)

He ain't Hercules... the Tackles are getting destroyed they can't even bend their legs... They are like duo turn-stiles

Nice..., I agree it wasn't the finest draft but after the previouis drafts it looked stronger than it actually should have been... Count our first...

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No No No

1. Meaningless for Cincy "D" - I think so... 2. Of course..., there are no more weapons..., than when Lemon is in there...

Maybe "Soft" certainly not tenacious

Maybe "Machine" was cruel but Bill won't be any kinder... I will never be convinced of a guys "inner-stength" when he is playing a porous "D"...

is he an investment if he ain't no good to start with...? Maybe that is why CamRam is see -ya later...:wave:

Three of us agree with Bill... :hi5:

Oh my..., did you miss something..., he is a turnover machine... Bill was watching..., CAMRAM made this pick..., Beck knew he was being...

He wasn't joking...:sad:

This is the post of the day..., sorry

you are right..., few want to believe this

The second Round QB "Beck" could have likely been nabbed in the later rounds..., and you need to go back to the first thread..., and re-read it......

Let's get some competition for our QB of the future "BECK?"..., whether it be FA or whatever..., the Offense is never on the field..., did you...

Not a good opening statement for John Beck this year. Yeah hes a rookie on a crappy team but in his few starts hes got the Major Fumbles dont...

It's clear after todays performance that Beck is very "raw" and I think CamRam set him up by telling him he wouldn't get in any games this year so...

I started this post by writing opinion..., my own feeling is the same as PADRE31 pick up a QB when he falls..., we sorely need a compettition at...

No competition in camp wheres the motivation..., to grow and get great...

I swear that some people would have 15 undersized DTs... Who are what supposed to make up for the adept play of the entire Defense... Time...

Agreed - but Bill didn't pass on Bledsoe..., and Bledsoe like everyone else is unknown...to this league until they step in...

Would you bet a lot of money..., then why not let the kid play...? They (CamRam) wanted to keep their jobs they didn't want anyone to see Beck...,...

Dude these decisions are made from a "body of work" like practices..., ability to learn play-books etc... (not just games)

Could be rds 2-3 read the post...:wave:

Games are won on the line of scrimmage..., don't need the tag..., but thanks

If he beats him out..., he cannot even press "Lemon"...

Again like I just said he (Beck) needs to know that this is a competition..., I'm sure he gets that now that Bill came to town that "red-shirt"...

I don't think we addressed that need at all by attempting to red shirt a guy..., he was complacent from the get go... from the few quotes I read...

More importantly we need a tougher logo on our helmet...

I'm not even saying this is what "I want"..., I'm reading into what Bill has spoken..., if he is looking to invest that kind of money he wants a...

No it should have been Okoye DT or Staley OT or Brady Quinn and if Brady Quinn was that in accurate a passer then it definitely should have been...

I read that the first choice was Pete Carroll..., Cam was a "reach" beacuse Cowher wasn't ready...,and may never come back to coaching...

Agreed!!!

The source isn't great but let's face it the writing was on wall whether they won one game or not..., I'm still glad they shipped Chambers out and...

This is good... desperation doesn't hurt a bit..., i wish we had that in the QB position...

Matt Ryan has no running game to aid him..., period..., like less than a ypc average in that bowl game this week..., that's ugly and that has to...

He might as well toss in sparano and garret too...

Good humour never hurt anything

Sooner the better...

I'm so glad i missed the entire game especially that play...

Ummm... NO one I mean..., NO one wants to discuss the fact that we cannot control the clock..., our defense has been on the field what amouts to...

Clady at 31...? Are Qbs and LT with so much promise..., going to drop..., we need to trade out...

...Thank you football gods....

I am Ok with Gholsten or C long but we need to strengthen that o-line..., are our "only" strength

Don't Cha know it..., this would not be a surprise..., if a few "boys" come over...

Garrett comwes over from the Boys then and Bill gets the huge last laugh...!

Carthon will come but in what capacity...? Not GM..., HC or D...

At this point it looks as though Carthon will be joining our coaching ranks whether Defense or Head coach... And I like Tuna sandwiches so that is...

Lemon not the long term answer..., Beck isn't looking specatcular either..., but has not a full season yet..., there needs be a QB selected likely...

Maybe Bill would bring Carthon in coach our Defense and leave Cam for a year..., and well there that outside posibility of Garrett coming back at...

Yes Randy is known to draft well in the opening rounds but after that..., well er..., everybody knows it is almost a crap shoot... Save T.Brady...

OK..., so I pees myself Sunday and now this..., I think I need to buy a bag of adult diapers...:hi5:

Me thinks you are right...:up:up: If we don't go McF. or QB... This makes a lot of sense - spending money on LT..., our line is arguably...

I agree we will neutralize teams high octane by smashing them in the mouth...

Brady won games...? I like what little I saw of Ryan..., most of all we need talent at the position and we competition to push players

Super Mod ncn66 just said that... God is good...!:thumbup:

And/Or They could throw in quality players like Spears, Carpenter

Ginn was a mistake (opinion) at no.9 but you know what he'll pan out..., he is first round talent..., we could have used a Densive Stud like Okoye...

Just an early Christmas present... decisions will have to be made..., but it isn't Cam's fault that the team has no back-ups when the starters...

I want McFadden (to trade) or Trade Ronnie down the road..., I like C Long..., Like Matt Ryan in this spot..., don't like Dorsey here..., he looks...

Not Big Players...

Hey what's up did we secure a wild-card...?

The defense is finally vindicated..., they are a tired bunch..., the Defense has been on the field since RB tore his ACL... Good win... all...

Say a BIG no to Dorsey...

Pretty much everyone missed his point..., you pick him to trade him... One Defensive Stud does not stop the bleeding... Stock pile picks...

Absolutely there must be fair competition this year

A QB who falls and they always fall..., to compete with Beck maybe beat Beck out...

I wet myself... :)

You have class man I read lots of your stuff.... are you in hunkered down in Bufalo...? Balmy 0 degrees in Calgary...

Our O line is close to being something special..., we saw it with Ronnie's YPC (and Chatman)..., we need to invest that first of our two second...

Well we are in agreement if we go D we go C. Long...

Absolutely no argument there.. I think the game is won and lost by you dictate on the the line of scrimmage our O-line looks like it could...

My bad - sorry

VANDOLPHAN and others VERY SHORT SIGHTED..., YOU WANT TO BE THE DICTATOR NOT THE DICTATED TOO... DORSEY OR LONG OR GHOSTEN ON THE FIELD FOR...

The Patriots are an anomally (sp?) this is not the tried true pattern to follow... (By the way if I have to watch anymore un-called Randy Moss...

I agree with most of your quotes padre and I like you also believe McFadden is a must unless we trade down for extra first rd picks... McFadden...

"Every husband need a wife"... How true...

Well he was listed in the 15-25 range so everyone thought we got a steal..., I like him alot and the groin injury thing sure slowed me down in...

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE RIGHT... DALLAS WILL TRADE PICKS WITH PATS TO GET A HAND ON MCFADDEN SHOULD WE GO WITH SOMEONE ELSE... PATS WILL CONTINUE TO...

This is true..., RB is fragile constantly nicked..., but a good lead blocker at his price is too costly..., get him healthy and trade him...

DUDE..., First of all you can't count... second I'm just as tired waiting for others to understand that RB is a little fragile...

We need McFadden to keep our own defense off the field..., they are wore right down... RB is good maybe great but he is injured a lot... We...

McFadden... and an O-lineman in the 3rd Rd. Everything else D