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Why would such an average to below average QB be at the Pro Bowl? Did the voters not see his lack of leadership? His lack of a deep ball? His...
Odd you seem to make pretty impassioned posts on something you ultimately think is rigged. Its, in a word....cuckoo-bat-****-bananas.
In 2012 he was a number 1. His numbers stayed the same when Wallace got here. I think he was a terrible #1 WR because I disliked him. He was...
People act like he was a good WR when he wasn't, that's over rated, kinda by definition. I'm also not blaming him or saying anything his fault...
I'm not wrong, he was a terrible #1 WR. Maybe you could follow Bumrush's take and say he would have been a good #3WR.....but as a #1 WR...he was...
I'm not angry. He was just terrible at his job of #1 WR.
The point being, he got those yards simply because he was the technical #1 WR on the team. The rest of the numbers show he did nothing with those...
2012: 16th in yards. (That's not great. That's literally average.) 23rd in 1st downs. 72nd in YAC tied-147th in TDs 2013: 24th in yards. 21st in...
I don't see how 1000 yards and literally nothing else impressive (or even mediocre) like, TDs, 1st downs, YAC, etc. means anything. It is empty...
He was literally the worst #1 WR in the league. You can carry his torch if you want to, but just know, if you're carrying for on field production...
He really didn't produce. He got some yards but that's it.
He was a terrible #1 WR. Awful. Few players (if any) have been more overrated by the Dolphin fanbase more than him. He also stirred trouble.
Managing egos sometimes requires coaches to move the player down the depth chart. People act like there's always a magic organization of certain...
If you get gout and it gets bad, prednisone stops the pain pretty quick. Pain meds don’t touch it though. Even the big guns like Vicodin have 0...
Yeah they're generally smaller than a flake of oregano so you likely wouldn't;t see it. But if you couldn't;t pee than all of a sudden could, it...
Not to be indelicate, but did the pain ever make it to your junk? If so, its likely out. If not, it may have broken down, hopefully.
**** stones. Did you get gout yet? Often times if a person had stones they also get gout.
This isn't against you or anything, but I think that is part and parcel to the whole problem. If a guy is in the doghouse but has some talent and...
I never understood the Rishard love this fanbase had. He was always just a JAG to me, but people here thought he crapped angel kisses.
I bet they rank pretty high on worst in the NFL history too.
Which argument do you want me to regurgitate back to you? - The one, in 2013, where you tried as hard as you are now, to get people to believe,...
Its the logical end point of your entire argument going back to 2012.
So it was as good as the first two......:cool2:
So what's a fair amount of time then? 3 days? Week? Month? I mean that poster has been doing this stuff for years and has been on here for this...
Yeah, i don't really get this at all. It would do severe damage to their careers if they were lying..
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Over 24 hours later and nothing happened. Like I thought. I guess going forward maybe you guys shouldn't lecture us on respecting our fellow...
He got them to the AFCCG.
WTF are you talking about?
Yes it does. Individual performance is evident.
Saying that even great QBs need a decent team to achieve greatness isn't a direct comparison between Mahomes and Tannehill. It is merely pointing...
He lost games, he sucks. Your logic.
Yeah, no logic behind it.......
He lost games in his prime too. He sucks.
Does it matter? We need a QB. Tua has the look of an all world talent and he's within reach.
Yeah, Aaron Rodgers sucks that way too. Sigh.
I made it clear, that he is on track for being perfectly fine and if there are any complications, we should know about them by the time of the...
Huh? You hand waved everything i said which was in direct response to your points, with..."whatever".
Often when presented with facts and logics, the best rebuttal is "whatever", i suppose.
WADR, until we find our QB we are desperate for one.
No, its a fine argument and the time back has literally nothing to do with anything. Hell, many people keep bringing up Bo Jackson which was...
Its a shame because Flores would use him correctly and we'd be perennial contenders because of it.
The argument, I have always made, is that if you have a bad oline, then your QB needs ways to counter that. Either the QB needs to have Wilson's...
Ok fine. I reported the poster. Let’s see if anything happens.
1. And? 2. Yes. For many fo the same reasons people are telling us to pass on Too. 3. You mean like how Tua didn't do well with Saban who changed...
I didn't say nor imply they were the same injury. What is the same, is that you were mad at Saban for listening to other doctors than the one...
I think it is odd that we are acting like there is no middle ground between hacking and slashing Luke and attempted murder Luke who drinks blue...
I understand mods want posters treated with respect. However, bad faith posting is disrespectful. It is what causes the vast majority of problems...
I doubt that was said with any knowledge and is merely conjecture.
Were you mad at Saban for passing on Brees?
So Johnson subverting Abrams decision is awesome, but Abrams subverting Johnson's vision is hacky? Johnson, set the tone with the first shot with...
Exactly, you agreeing with it, has no bearing on the reality of it at all.
Like I said, I'm not saying Abrams did everything right. Force Awakens was vastly superior to the last two, however and I believe had Johnson not...
You cannot agree with it, but that doesn't make it not accurate.
More than two here. Trust me, NO ONE argued more with him on here than me.
Nothing in the Force awakens made Johnson do anything he did, from the stupid arc on that gambling planet, to Mary Poppins Leia, to the...
Abrams teed the franchise up for the next guy. Johnson, clearly, hated everything Abrams set up and did everything he could to destroy that...
Wrong forum.
Its called bad faith posting.
Here too.
Let me say this again, his height of 6’1” was brought up as if it was an issue. It is not. It is not the reason he was injured and it is not a...
Every pick is a risk. Truth be told, this franchise has done literally everything it can int he past 20+ years to change its fortune......except...
If we cannot know how risky it is, why are you sure it is risky?
Tua will be great.
Fair warning....if I see anyone who screamed at us for tanking when we weren't, but then lament the fact that we didn't....I will rain down...
I think the two major problems with RoS, was that Abrams had to deal with the absolute **** that was TLJ and had to cobble together an end for...
I asked for evidence. He provided opinion.
Jesus. You said there was pressure to keep him and then to back it up you posted an article that assumes there was pressure. Not reported that...
Stop. Answer the questions asked of you. You, drizzy, of your volition, passed off an opinion as irrefutable fact. Defend that with meaning....
Honest question....in the blurb you posted, do you know what the words I bolded and enlarged mean? Follow up question....do you know the...
Evidence?
His height was used as a slight. He’s also not injury prone.
Tua is a cross between Steve Young and Drew Brees. If people are complaining about his height, then their opinions on football should be...
We are also here to have discussion in good faith.
You're not debating. Debating implies two or more parties acting in good faith. You're the only one in that discussion operating in good faith.
"Evolution" implies progression towards improvement. What you laid is true, but certainly not an improvement.
WADR, you missed my point entirely.
Yeah, but we were the first country founded on democracy and with the phrase, "all men are created equal" in our literal declaration. At some...
Tanny is gone because of the fans.
I have and had employees that won't come to work with a sore leg, for example. Meanwhile, I've worked all day with gout or my wife will work after...
I know people wouldn’t say that, but I’m actually questioning the conventional wisdom on such things. I don’t believe some players are...
Do you think more players have not been injured than have the longer they play?
Nope still Wannidiot, but Philbin is a close second.
I think an easy argument can be made that if a player has NOT had an injury or two you can assume the other shoe will drop on them at some point.
There is no need to **** on Jackson. He's young and has been killing it.
I want people to make sure they didn't;t miss this. This is precisely why I said DJ didn't deserve the crap he was getting.
Fair warning, if this continues.....I'm going to be absolutely impossible to be around, Haters.
In the Tenn/Balt game: - If high scoring and Balt wins, it will be because Thill isn't very good. - If high scoring and Tenn wins, it will be...
In case you guys haven't heard, offense are not impacted at all by defenses. See, the team that scores the most wins, so point differential is the...
That is the same thing. If they couldn't;t accurately tell what happened and why they wouldn't have a job. That is literally their job. And you...
They do more than figure out coverages. We were using that as but one example of the numerous things the coordinators who devise gamelans do. And...
I'd be ok with it IF, we still draft a rookie and Brady is going to teach him the ropes.
No one is really arguing that stats/metrics have value. Some are just acting as if they answer everything. They don't. They are a tool. They...
Um....you are acting like deciding things about coverages, which players did what...doesn't add up to what happened on the field and who's...
Yes!!!!!! WTF are they dissecting if not??!?!?!?! I feel like you want me to prove water is wet.
There's no logic in saying there's no logic in it. Prove NFL coordinators aren't dissecting what happens on the field to craft their gameplans....
Yeah, they have their own style and they craft their gameplay from their available plays based on what they've seen their opponents do. Then...
There's nothing but logic in that statement. Yes, anyone that can craft an NFL offense or defense MUST be able to understand what's happening on...
What?!?!? How do you think these offenses and defenses are crafted and designed if not for people being able to dissect what’s happening on the...
What do you think coaches do? No, it's true. Again, you cannot tell at if the team played bad defense or good offense by point differential. You...
Sure it will....or can. It may not always be inconclusive, but knowing what your seeing on the field can certainly tell you if the offense or the...
Was the Eagles offense better than Patriots offense or was the Eagles defense better than Patriots defense? Because again, the Eagles defense may...
The difference between Mike McCarthy and Jeff Fisher on records? Aaron Rodgers.
It feels chicken or egg. An offense attacks a defense. A defense tries to stop an offense. When an offense performs above average, is it because...
You know what's funny, you pretend to be a Titans fan, when much of what you've done is defend Brady and the Pats just so gosh darn hard.....it...
Now you're necroing threads, to defend Brady??!?!?!?!?!
What was my point? Hmmmmm, let's seeeeeee.....oh yeah...he was a failed HC before coming to the Pats. The rings he won as a coordinator have...
Its like being completely wrong is your fingerprint.
I agree. It is not a fatal flaw that Tannehill isn't an all star scrambler. Its a tool that isn't in his tool kit. If it was, he'd likely be the...
You saying I’m a troll? Again, you prove you’re not just biased but willfully and woefully uninformed about the stuff you are arrogantly arguing...
Can I take that as an admission that you understand you aren't being really fair, but are just trying to win an argument?
Harping wasn't a fair word to use on my part. But my issue is, was is the Mariota miss more significant than all the hits relative to this...
You're not doing that really though. You are harping on one of the few misses and ignoring the many more hits. Deej has a type when it comes to...
I vehemently disagree with DJ about Tannehill and always have. Having said that, his record is better than most other people's on here.
Oh god no
Sure, but no one is saying get Tua and boom, championship. QB is the most important, and if you have a shot at a Steve Young Drew Brees...
Tua is a cross between Steve Young and Drew Brees.
Its not you, I haven't been clear. There was a talent drop. (I would take Thill over Fitz all day every day without question or blinking or...
I was wrong. I thought there'd be a lot of freaking out over this. I misjudged the board and was wrong. Good job board!:hi5:
No one has ever argued against this. No one has ever said nor implied there aren't QBs who are better than others. You, OTOH, act like Drew...
Can I use a Hoveround and an oxygen bottle?
Argue with a brick wall. A brick wall just won't ever understand your point through no fault of its own, but that brick wall won't actively try to...
Kneel??!?!?!? How the hell am I getting back up to do it again without a delay of game penalty?
I'm not speaking on the merits of any of it, I'm just saying I think that is what they are going for. YMMV.
I think on defense, we should be thinking about how a player can fill multiple roles. Anyone remember, Nintendo's Ice Hockey game? You could make...
Thill has numerous good games, you've never said it before.
There is no scenario where a team could win with me at QB. I'm 4'2", 353 lbs, I have 6 inch hands and I'm 67 years old. I got winded typing that.
Don't care. I see Tua as Steve Young mixed with Drew Brees. Give them our entire first round for all I care. Fortune favors the bold.
Your question used to be could Tannehill play at all. And it wasn't;t a question, you were sure eh couldn't. Funny it changed after he proved...
My issue with the "massive talent drop" is the notion that it will takes years or one of the greatest drafts in history to compensate for. For...
That's a misplaced benefit.
Let the freaking out begin in 3...2....
I'd rather have Tua and surrender an additional 1st and 3rd round pick.
Clutch isn't real in football. As a person who fancies themselves a person of logic and numbers, you should know every football game in an NFL...
I disagree with the devastating loss of talent take on all this. There was a 2 win difference between 2018 and 2019.
Another huge fail by Jones. McCarthy is not now nor has he ever been a good pro head coach.
I'm all in on Tua and don't care what we spend to get him. I don't care one bit. He reminds me of Steve Young.
I understand why people think Burrow is good. I don't understand why people think Tua isn't.
At this point, who the hell cares anymore. I mean, he's literally done EVERYTHING people said he couldn't do, from throwing deep, to winning...
WADR, I was looking for a more specific answer. "a lot but not enough to bankrupt my future" doesn't;t really tell me what your thought process is...
Miami. We were so bad, people incorrectly thought we were tanking.
Forget every QB in this draft. Wipe them from your mind for a second. If there was guy coming out, let's call him John Quaterback, you felt was...
What about that specific injury have you heard means its more likely to be reinjured?
When it comes to Tannehill, the things I've learned in this thread: - Football is a team sport if his team wins and is an individual sport if his...
If Tannehill is on the winning side, it is a team sport, if Tannehill is on the losing side, he isn't good enough to get his team to win. I can...
I remember wanting us to sign Flynn, and draft Tanny and Wilson.
Exactly. I've been saying for awhile that getting Wilson in the third wasn't a vindication of Seattle's FO, it is an indictment of all 32 teams' FOs.
I've agreed with a lot of what you've said in regards to Tannehill. Being new, you probably don't know that I was one of the BIGGEST defenders of...
Overpaying is only overpaying if the guy you "bought" isn't a good QB. Its about the evaluation of the player. If we spend a couple of firsts and...
For my money, best LB to ever play the game, because he had considerably less physical attributes than guys like Lewis, Urlacher, Seau, etc. but...
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Tua if he declares. Love if he doesn't.
97.4% sure
You’re trying to explain the issues with secretive proprietary metrics with a person who used to or still does try to sell their own secretive...
Me too. I argued it with that guy who has been banned numerous times for causing trouble....what was his name again.....oh shouright. I wonder...
I don't understand this DK. I personally bristle when football players try to associate playing a game for millions of dollars to the challenge...
As I said, your defense boils down to two things: 1. Everyone who doesn't felate the Pats is stupid and jealous. 2. Nebulous assumptions passed...
Another way Pats' defenders trip over their own arguments...... They act like EVERY other team cheats, without real evidence to back that up........
If they always cheat, which improves their win percentage across the board, then....
There's nothing to stop. Quit stalling and make an actual point. So far, your argument in favor of the Pats has amounted to little more than,...
Stop. I'm not going to sit here and suffer through faux incredulity. They have cheated. They have been caught. Numerous times now. You can be...
Thank you. Also, we had rookies play more snaps than any other team. We are likely to have even more young guys after the draft. Flores, may juts...
B seems the least likely. On any level.
Respectable numbers? He's the top rated QB in the league.
Our offense was objectively terrible under O’Shea. Way worse than the talent level.
To be fair, what I've read is that his system is actually more like current college spread systems that teams are clamoring for now. We have a...
Let's think about this logically. Part 1: It is considerably more likely than not, that Gailey was only hired for a year (maybe two tops), based...
If Gailey is here to bring the spread offense, then a college QB is probably in our near future, but with the connection between Gailey and Fitz...