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You made my point. But to help you out, since you are having trouble grasping the concept...let me ask you this question. Did the teams who...

Next lesson: Don't be bitter when I correct you. You are learning. I don't expect you to be an expert right away. Be patient, ask me questions. In...

ROFL...yeah, well, maybe thats why they all miss so badly on QBs. Look, take the lesson I taught you and learn from it. Don't hate me because I am...

Ooops. You're fired. You just made the FIRST and MOST COMMON mistake in judging a player. You made "measurables" your first priority. Thats why...

Okay, let me give you some additional help here. You are going to need it until you get the hang of this.... Let's choose a random player...Uh,...

Impressive isn't it? I can show you how to evaluate players (and coaches) as well as I can, but you have to be able to recognize and accept the...

No way should Henne start. Sit tight and learn...09 will be here before you know it. I think we are going to be better on the lines, which...

ROFL...no doubt!

Ricky has been outstanding in TC and PS, but I think there is alot of opportunity for a running back in Miami. If I'm Jalen Parmele, I am thinking...

Point taken. I think there was some irrational criticism of Beck. But the defenses of Beck (and more to the point, the adulation for him) were...

Good point. There is definitely some ignorance on this board. And no doubt, some make some knee jerk reactions every year and their opinions...

This is certainly true. I am not sure about the reason, but its isn't tolerated to criticize players, however deserving.

:lol: Outstanding!

I know what I am looking at. I am looking at Chad Henne being groomed to start and John Beck being groomed to fight off a competitor for the...

Fair enough.

And while you are at it, go watch David Klingler play when he was at UH, David Carr when he was at Fresno St, and Alex Smith when he was at Utah....

Yeah. Okay. Whatever.

ROFL...yeah, speaks volumes. Signed: Suncoastfinsfan! :wink2:

Definitely. We'll see down the road who was right about Becks Upside. :up:

Yes, keeping him around as a third rounder running the scout team really reflects how much confidence they have in him. You are very astute,...

Really Jeff? ROFLMAO. Funny how you are dropping and signing and shopping players all over here this past week. You even entertained an offer for...

What? Are you serious? I would take a fifth for Beck. I think with two fifth rounders and three seventh rounders, we could find a third string QB...

Let me ask you Larry...were you one of the MANY on the boards of the opinion that we should not have drafted a QB? I got called out (I think...

ROFL. This is awesome. I like that, Hero; thats good stuff.

Great post.

Yep. It looks like Beck might actually be able to be that long term backup that so many of us have advocated him being. Good for young Johnny. Its...

Team with the worst record the previous year. It goes in order of the draft.

We can't really bring in for a look unless he clears waivers. If we claim him, hes ours and we are responsible for his salary and have to cut...

I would love to get Doug Free, but I don't think he was cut. I would certainly give them Anthony Armstrong for Doug Free. I think that would...

ROFL...this is classic. You remind me of Kramer's lawyer in Seinfeld. Just try to baffle with bs if your point makes no sense. You only have...

Yeah, JDang...it is late. But you seem to find a way to be wrong at any time of day!:wink2:

Very unsurprising. Other teams watch his games too.

Now, this trade does end the *****ty logic of "their guy" nonsense. If someone would have ponied up for Beck, he would have been traded. The...

The logic wasn't ****ty logic. They had to find a team that would give a pick for either QB. No one would pony up for Beck, someone would for...

Uh, yeah. Okay. :confused1:

Hes not the second coming of Marino? Hes not even the second coming of AJ Feeley.

Yep. Good call.

I agree.

ROFL...if there is a post of the year, this has to be it. The Five Stages of Grief as it pertains to Beck. Brilliant. Dr. Kubler-Ross would be...

Its amazing. The ones most infatuated with Beck are also the most thin skinned and get easily offended by the assertion. No offense intended. Its...

I disagree. Penalties and turnovers are part of a culture, starters and backups. Every facet of this team needs to know how important it is to...

Other than those who are infatuated with Beck, no one is going to put too much stock in whomever the THRID STRING QB is. As another poster said,...

No doubt!:knucks:

It what happens when these guys see Beck criticized; no one is safe. But hey, to each his own, right? :wink2:

Touche! :lol: I guess some peoples devotion (as irrational as it might be) never dies. If they keep Beck, I absolutely will trust their...

No excuse. Stay after practice and take snaps from whomever the third string center is. Taking a snap is the most basic fundamental a QB has to...

Larry, inspite of all of your EXCUSES, and make no mistake, they are nothing but excuses, the bottom line is that Beck has trouble handling the...

I agree with Desides about BP thinking JB "choked". BP wanted him to succeed. Beck just did not convince BP (or anyone else) that he could develop...

I completely agree. No one has any reason to respect us. If we can come out and win 6-7 games, next year people will be predicting us to be in the...

ROFL...what an active imagination. Seriously, that would be great news. I would love to have one of the elite QBs in the league for two years.

I agree. I know no one is expecting Parcells to last four years in Miami, but with this new job, and the time that it affords him to still go to...

At 72 players, that means we still have to cut 20 players. I have no problem with any of those players named being cut. And there is no real...

I agree. I watched this kid play my USF BULLS two years in a row...and he was outstanding in both games.

Easy Killer!:wink2: The reason this kid wasn't drafted and is an UDFA is because he was injured. He was a good player when healthy and I think...

You're not getting my Bud Light. :up:

I don't think he's suggesting not wanting us to win...hes suggesting not to judge this team based soley on the win/loss record. We can win 5...

I agree. This team is being built for the future.

I agree. I think the mods here are stern, but they are also flexible and understanding. This is one of the best Fins sites on the net.

in this league...anything can (and sometimes does) happen. While I expect us to only win 4-5 games, a bounce here, a bounce there, a break...

If we win 7 games, I think that will be incredible. I expect us to win four, maybe five games. This year, I think we change our culture....

Good call, B27. Even if we only win a handful of games this year....next year I think this team will be outstanding.

Moses is quite a bit bigger than Burnett. He might not have the speed and quickness although he might require more than a RB to block him. I...

Who better to lead our defense to the Promised Land than a man named Moses? I'm tellin' ya, this is a team of destiny.

I really like how the new regime has focused on the Lines. Its the most important facet of teams. If our lines play well, we are going to be...

To think there are some people that still question every move that gets made.

Where in the world have we heard that before? :wink2:

I sincerely believe that next year this is going to be a good team. We'll be alot better this year (although we still might now win a bunch of...

...just the messenger. Don't sweat it. :wink2:

Good list. I disagree in a couple of areas. I think we'll pickup off the waiver wire: WR, waive Kircus TE, waive Martin OL, waive Nduke Titus...

Thanks, Freestyle...you saved me the trouble of having to go back and re-read it, even though I knew it was right.

See? Not even DL are safe.

Agree with both assertions. And if any team wants Maualuga or Crabtree, they better be picking top 5.

Darry Beckwith in the first round? ROFL...not unless Wannstedt is picking. Maybe they mean Ricky Jean-Francois...who I didn't see listed but is...

Enforcer33 beat me to it. I thought White was good for the Falcons last year.

I thought Roddy White came on strong for ATL last year...no?

I agree. You get guys who played Div III football that think they can play WR for Miami right now.

I guess it depends on the team. If its St Louis, yeah, perhaps. If its the Colts, no, I wouldn't. When you get a good player that is...

Alen, this is the best post you have ever posted. I am moved to tears! :cry: <--Thats me crying over your good post!:wink2:

Or one injury and we lose Ronnie for the year. It works both ways.

And I strictly said it doesn't matter if you don't produce. :knucks:

I'd rather have a player play for 16 games and avg 4.8 ypc than a player who can only play 7 games and avg 5.1. This is just to answer when did...

Wow. First, its just speculation that seems to be stirred by a rumor. Second, I think you are just a wee-bit biased towards...

Wow...talk about inflated expectations. I am looking at between 3-5 wins. The key is, and will be, is how well we stop the other teams running...

Well ok. But being the most talented doesn't necessarily extrapolate to the most productive. Look at the "talent" of Yatil Green vs Oronde...

I think you missed his point. He wasn't saying that RB can never be good, but someone alluded to those guys "being as good as they were before"...

Very true.

It wouldn't be for a "late round pick". I think it would be like someone said above, a second and a fourth round pick. And when you look...

I disagree with this. I think Parcells has the authority to do ANYTHING he sees fit and has three years to make this team competitive. I don't...

No doubt. Good call, MB.

Riiiiiight. The Trifecta doesn't have a history of success in this league. If only they had the "forsight" and wisdom of Dolphan Dupree. Oh...

I only brought up "who is blindly supporting Beck" because you asked. If you don't care, its cool. As far as brining facts, I constantly bring...

This is exactly correct, Loyalfan; you've nailed it, partner. :up:

If you have to ask "who" is blindly supporting Beck, you haven't really been paying attention. Fair shot, good shot, A shot,....You get what you...

I cannot even express how happy I am to have Ginn showing up. Although not the guy I wanted, (I wanted P. Willis or A. Carriker) I supported the...

:no: This is the NFL. You don't "deserve" anything. You have to earn your keep every season. Ricky is the most "deserving" of all if you want to...

Its not unheard of that a running back could get "tweaked" and miss a game or two. It happens every week in the NFL.

This is absolutley correct.

Thats the logic. I agree with this completely.

If you subscribe to the philosophy that the starter should be the player who looks best in preseason, then this might be one of the easiest...

Unfortunately for Ronnie, he get hurt alot. Hope his thumb is just "hurt" and not injured, if you know what I mean.

I agree...for the reasons B27 listed.

Relax. Things get heated. Sorry if I misquoted you, it wasn't my intention. Look, tonight we got to see the future of Miami QBing, and its in...

Of course youre going to call BS. This doesn't fit the "Beck is going to be great narrative".... And 7 fumbles to one isn't just "small...

Give it up, Loyalfan...to these people, if you don't annoint Beck the Second Coming, not only are you wrong, but you are stupid, too. Sad, but true.

They all count. But have it your way, throw it out. He still had three other games with a QB rating over 90.

Its two posts in a row that you have insinuated that I am less than intelligent. I have never referred to Kornheiser. I am talking about GMs. You...

Yep. You got me. I got worked up because I am clueless. But wait, if I am clueless, how is it that I have a clue about it? Oooops. Even your...

Oh man, are you gonna get hated on for this post...Even though every word is clearly and undisputably true...Are you new to this board?

Why? Hes only a solid starter that will be good for Buffalo for a long time.Why not want Beck who might be good one day if we just give him time...

hey Funkdat....see what I mean? :confused2:

Isn't is hysterical? They love Beck so much, any compliment to another player, even if that player has clearly show more progress than Beck, is an...

ROFLMAO! Man, your guys love for Beck is making some of you completely irrational. You are telling me that if Henne is the starter by next...

The problem with your analysis Reefer, is that it is made with a Beck backdrop. True, Beck needs (much) more time to develop. Edwards doesn't....

Its not rich, its true. But go ahead and deny facts if you want. Its your perrogative. :knucks: Edwards did prove SOMETHING last year. He...

Who has been the second coming of Marino? Not many. If by next season, Henne can be (like Edwards) the undisputed starter and leader of our...

Great news. It would be a real plus if Beck would come on and have a great showing.

I disagree and I think its totally BS to suggest that Omar's problems here are anything other to do with his opinion of Beck. I support Beck...

Beck might have a higher % because he dumps the ball off to the FB. Henne was throwing the ball down field and having WRs drop the passes. You...

It is rested. Henne is better. Everyone (almost everyone) knows it. But if I'm wrong (along with most everyone else) Beck will be the #2 QB...

You can't just look at numbers. Look at the kinds of passes. Look at the comfort level in the pocket. Look at WR drops. Henne outperformed...

I think the quickest way get excoritated on this site is to be critical of Beck. Omar could be Omar in every other way, but if he was on the Beck...

Yeah, Mike O was a real piece of work. I remember a blog of his that stated that "everyone should leave Dave W alone because the players...

Edwards has shown that he has what it takes to be an NFL QB. He played well in some games last year as a rookie and he got bigger and stronger in...

I do think all of those players have talent. Leaf had talent. A.Ware had talent. So did Jamar and Eddie Moore. In that regard, Beck (and every...

I would agree that for me and you it would be impossible for us to judge a player after one year. But the coaching staff has been doing this for...

Well, if Omar was ok with Beck, he'd be ok with 90% of the people here that hate him. :wink2:

With Colston, Patten, and Meacham, they have three good WRs. They like that kid Adrian Arrington out of Michigan and Terrance Copper can play WR...

Talk about taking things to a ridiculous level...:wink2: I'm not going to cover everyone of your points, but I am going to address this last...

No worries brother.... Just wanted to get my fellow Louisianians some props! :wink2: I think together we've totally debunked the theory that...

I can't believe you left off the most successful small school QB of All time.... From the great state of Louisiana...Terry Bradshaw, La Tech....

If hes waived (which I doubt) he could be worth bringing in. He reminds me of Tony Martin way back when the Fins originally had him, before we...

ROFL...yeah, no doubt. I am certainly not a favorite of the "regime", thats for certain! :wink2:

I agree completely. And hes been in the NFL longer. If you watched on Sat nite, you would be hard pressed to determine which one was the...

Obviously you don't know what Ozzie Newsomes job is in Baltimore...hes the GM. HE makes Personnel decisions, not, Cam. I don't know why this is...

When I suggested that we bring new players in after first cuts, I was accused of being "over-reactionary".:wink2:

If he was a wasted pick, what do you want them to do? Should we keep Eddie Moore just because we didn't want to acknowledge that he was a bust.

I brought it up because you and L2G are disparaging Parcells and expressing the "right to your opinion" about Parcells, when he has clearly been...

Let Beck's "treatment" go. He either has to impress in camp or not. Why does this give you so much anguish? We can disagree about his...

Yeah, well, some will argue the earth is flat. Its a by-product of a society where people have "freedom of speech". They also have the freedom to...

I don't know who is calling him a bust. If the coaches cut him, it will be because they think he is a bust, and you and L2G and CNC 66 will be in...

I don't think any GM in this league would give up anything for Beck.

Beck has had more than a handful of games. He had all of last season and all of this offseason and half a training camp now. The coaches will be...

Yup. That was Wolf. He had Favre rated highest on his board and then made a damn bush league, amateur blunder by picking position over talent....

I think Henne has outplayed Beck. I like him more Sat nite and appearently hes getting more reps in practice. Who knows? We'll know when their...

I'll put Parcells' reputation for rebuilding teams vs any of those guys you listed. I never said they were 100% correct. So whats your point?...

And hes yet to play a regular season game in Miami.

An "avg" QB is far better than what Beck has shown so far. So, if they want a backup QB who has shown he can play in this league, its McCown....

But your response to my post was way out of context. I was saying that Beck hasn't accomplished anything in the NFL yet. If the FO wants...

So. No FA who was signed in the FA has accomplished anything here. What does that mean and why does that matter?

WTH does this even mean? All I have said is that if I have to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who posts on the boards or someone who...

Regardless, McCown has accomplished far more than Beck in the NFL and thats a fact.

You need to recheck your facts, partner. You are dead wrong. McCown has accomplished far more than Beck. Think before you post.

Uh, thats just wrong. McCown had three games last year where hehis QB rating was over 90. Henne is a first year player that IMO, and in...

Exactly. :up:

Uh...I don't think Cam Cameron is going to get to make those decisions anymore...EVER. You don't get hired again after 1-15. He can only take...

No. Not multiquoting. And I don't deify the front office. I just have to choose whether to trust rank amateurs on a message board or paid...

The key is the contingency plan if CP gets hurt. If CP stays healthy, what we do with Beck is a non issue. If CP gets hurt (and IMO the...

Interesting...but telling? I doubt it. I don't think the coaches are going to research NFL history to decide what to do about EITHER QB....

WHAT? Which team is going to give us a first day pick for Beck? I'd say the most we can get for him would be a sixth that turns into a fifth...

Although its a bit counter intuitive, it does follow the logic. If the rookie outplays you, we'll keep you. If you outplay the rookie, we'll...

Someone should tell her thats bad for her health.

If its a "ridiculous" thing to do, it won't be done. If the FO pulls the trigger, then it won't be ridiculous, and will have made sense. I...

Thats not fair. I've had the Five Alarm Burger, and it ain't half-bad. :wink2:

Theres a little difference between us getting players from a perennial playoff team and them getting a player from a team that went 1-15.

:lol: No doubt. They aren't going to give us anything, esp not this early. They know that we can't keep all four so they can just wait. Other...

I don't think too many teams are going to give up a whole lot for a kicker. And its not like he is the best kicker in the league or anything. Hes...

I think its just trying to keep the best kicker.

Someone might have told him? Just speculating.

Henne very well could be Beck's backup. If it works out that way, so be it. The best player should play. You just get the feeling, from the...

I agree. If Beck shows he CANT play, then he should be cut. And thats really the $64,000 question. Does the coaching staff believe that Beck can...

(I qualify this post with the assumption that Beck isn't a total bust to the coaching staff). I disagree with this. I think Beck might be able...

Now or never in my eyes? One only has to pay attention to this league. Its a now or never league, my friend. Don't blame me. I didn't create it....

I say give him a quarter with the starters to try to develop some chemistry. And if the qtr ends with us on offense, let him finish out the drive....

I didn't see this post when I posted. I agree. There is way too much speculation from the media and the media types aren't insightful enough to...

It does seem like there is alot of media speculation that we might cut Beck. Its almost as if some word has been leaked to them to try to prepare...

Sorry I lost you, brother...I'll try to do better next time!:wink2: But my point about being 1-15 is...does it matter that we might have been...

A wise old man (named Bill Parcells) once said that "you are what your record says you are." To lose 15 games in a season, you have to be in...

I think Terry Glenn would be a great help. I think that LCB would at least be un upgrade over McKinnie who seems to be struggling.

Here you go, CNC...I'll take your :knucks: and I'll raise you a :theman:

I agree. But to your point in bold above, some here will tell us not only is it going to be ugly for a while, we better LIKE it. :wink2:

Ok, whats my assessment of the teams quality? And do you know the teams quality or is that up for debate? Let me guess...we can't know because its...

So no debate or back and forth should take place on a message board? Are you serious? :no: If you don't want to discuss football and make points...

Uh. Larry, you might want to reread the posts here, my friend. Bigbucks24 is the one who brought up the sky is falling and chicken little....

:no: Did you EVEN read the post? How could this be your reaction to that post? I don't happily go out of my way to tell anyone (homers or...

Chicken Little? :lol: Uh, BigBucks24, in case you didn't get the memo...the sky isn't falling in Miami--it already fell. Do you not...

I agree on Sparano. Good coach. Once he gets this turned around, we appear set for the next decade or so. Thats a good feeling. I also agree...

Everything has to be evaluated in context. Fact: We are a bad football team this year. Fact: We didn't get bad in one season, its not...

:lol: No doubt!

BigBucks24, See what I mean? :tongue2:

Good post. And I readily acknowledge that this team is rebuilding and I think the future, and lets emphasize FUTURE, is going to be bright in...

[/B] Unfortunately, I think you are right. Even though the "extreme" is sometimes (and clearly was last year) the truth regarding this...

I'll associate myself with what these guys said. Brandon gave a good review. Did anyone single out Merling? That kid is going to be a hell of...

Ricky was impressive. The guy is running like he stole that dimebag. Henne, for a first time out, was impressive by the way he played, not so...

I like that too. He throws the ball downfield and with authority. When he throws it, it gets there. It might go past the WR, but it doens't hang...

You are correct. If I gave the impression I wasn't impressed with Henne, then I was wrong, and I spoke in error. I AM SORRY, BRO! :wink2: I think...

Mike O? Now thats a low blow. I am not Mike Oliva, if thats the Mike O you are talking about. But Mikey and I do go way back. Nice enough Kid, but...

Thanks brother. I hear ya...its gonna be a fun year, regardless.

Exactly. This sums up the game perfectly. Good job, SD.

Thanks Brother-B27...and really, all I said was I think we are going to see some new players in here next week. If thats "controversial", its...

Thanks, FS...I can always depend on you. But I know what I am up against..If I don't come here with a "The Fins sure were AWESOME tonight" post, I...

This sounds just like any post posted after any one of the last six years. Relax. Its early. It'll all be okay. Hmmmm...was it? The good news...

Really? You were impressed with our WRs? Which ones and on which plays?

Good going Padre. Just gouge out your ears after your eyes, and you won't even have to know about it. :tongue2:

Did you watch the game? Are you satisfied with all the players on the team? Which WR tonight impressed you, if you think that I am overreacting?

And we have our first official "I'll bury my head in the sand" Thread. :wink2: Its all good, brother. I just think we are going to see some...

No doubt. The good news is, we can only get better.

But Simms and Griese are not their starters. Garcia is. Hell, Bennett's not even the starter. They have him third, behind Graham and Dunn. We...

If I am not mistaken, every QB got sacked. Ronnie lost yardage on his first carry and got maybe two yards on his second. Beck got sacked and...

What facts can backup me thinking Beck will be a good QB? Its just my opinion. I don't know how to quantify it to make others receive it better....

He had a false start penalty. Other than that, he was ok. Nduke or whatever his name is is HORRIBLE.

Ok. Lets see how it plays out. You may be right. On the other hand, I may be.

I agree about Henne next week. He needs to play vs the other teams top defense. Even though there won't be gameplanning, he needs to get that work...

The game, IMO, was not as close as the score. They dominated. We could not get them off the field. They converted almost every third down they had...

This is only my opinion, but I don't think Beck sees the whole field. I really don't. His two best completions were two yard dump offs to the FB....

The Oline was very bad. Very few running lanes, no huge holes. QBs under pressure. Glad you won't bother. :lol:

I like Henne. But overall the QBs were not impressive. If anyone was impressed tonight, their standards are far too low. Henne is going to be...

Of all the QBs, I liked him the best. But none of them were good. I think Henne wants to throw the ball downfield. Thats way more than I can say...

Other than Ricky, I'd say there is nothing to be happy about tonight. QBs, bad. Oline and WRs horrible. DL, avg. LB, below Avg, DBs...

What? Why should they care how we feel about how they play their players?:no:

Our first of MANY more to come, I am afraid.

I know its very early in the preseason, and things can always change, but based on what I've seen tonight, I think there is a very good chance we...

Henne, Long, Langford, Hagan.

Don't sweat it. If Beck gets cut, it won't be based soley on tonights performance. It will be that the coaches have seen enough to determine in...

Wow...theres alot here when you are basically admitting that you agree that Edwards outplayed Beck. I hear all of your circumstantial...

LOL...thats not happening.

Exactly.

I don't think so, not for a draft pick. There are going to be other QBs released (Simms, Gradkowski) that could step in and handle the backup role.

No, I want to show you the same facts, but you have to be able to be openminded, and obviously thats a choice that as of this minute, you haven't...

You are missing the forrest for the trees...or put another way, you refuse to acknowledge facts that don't fit your template. What game did John...

ROFLMAO! Are you kidding me? Apples and Oranges? Thats absurdity on stilts, mi amigo. Facts are facts, and they are stubborn. I took the...

Look, hes younger, bigger, stronger, and played better than Beck. If you want to say it was due to the offense, the defense, global warming, June...

Oh my...surely you jest. I'll let everyone judge for themselves the veracity of your claim;...

Too bad they didn't have Edwards rated ahead of Beck.

Another thing to consider...if we cut McCown, I think there is an even chance that he stays cut and doesn't sign with another team. Then if CP, or...

Beating them w/ CP and with them having Favre would go along way to makeup for the annoying existence that is any NYJ Fan with their bad attitudes...

My point is that if they have Favre, and kicked CP to the curb to get him, and he comes here and starts and we beat them, that would be as bad as...

Don't be too hard on 124, GFF. Inside, every Jets fan, even though they will never admit it, has as his worst nightmare that CP comes to Miami...

Not so with QBs out of college. If you don't want to bring them along and develop them, don't bother drafting them.. just do what Gruden does and...

Ok, fine. But if the coaches weren't pretty "dad gum"--a little Bobby Bowden lingo--certain that Pennington couldn't start, why bother?...

No debate here. Except, what does this have to do with Beck?

I know that would just crush you!:wink2: Lets put away our biased hopes and fears and look at this thing rationally. Forget the names, lets...

If we bring in CP, it means McCown goes away. CP will be brought in to start and Henne will be developed to back him up. The pressure on Beck is...

Ok, I'll take your word for it. Saturday will be big for Beck to see if he can do something that he has not done in his life..and that is play...

The situation is as you have described it. There are only about 3-4 teams that'll be interested....Chicago and Miami for sure. Minnesota and...

If sacrificing Frerotte was the price to pay to get rid of Saban than I am so happy that Frerotte left. Saban was in WAY over his head, just as...

Keep reading. I read it again today that Henne is out performing both vets. Now he still probably won't start the regular season, but I think that...

Lets watch RJF play this year before we decide hes not ready. Last year, LSU out going DC, Bo Pellini, when asked to describe RJFs performance in...

I don't see Minnesota bringing in a veteran backup. They have one already in Frerotte, and he knows his role. If the Vikings bring in a QB,...

Two things that jump out which cause me to question this post...First, you have Beck outperforming Favre...that might NEVER happen in any game,...

I agree, like I said in my original post, its UNLIKELy that the 49ers will move him. But you never know what dynamics will play out when a #1...

Very informative post. I love it when the moderators set the example.

Paul corrected himself. You only pick up a guys salary if you claim him off waivers. CP isn't subject to the waiver wire (its only for players...

Alex Smith, I think, is on the outs in SF. They really like JT O'Sullivan. If they could get CP, who knows what comes of Alex Smith? I doubt the...

No worries, Paul. Henne is going to win this job. Whomever we bring in is only to be a caretaker. Henne is the future.

Ooops. I just posted basically the same thing. Good post, Paul. And I agree with our logic. No team is going to sign Pennington for what hes...

Correct. He does not have to clear waivers. Which is no big deal, but if he were mandated to the waiver wire, we'd have first crack at him.

Depending, Henne may get the job after the bye week. IMO, thats the way this thing is heading. Now if whichever veteran starts lights it up or...

Henne is, undoubtedly, the QB of the future here. Hes mentally strong and his arm is by far better than anyone we have. CP may be better right...

Thank you...My goodness its hard when people let their biases stand in the way of OBVIOUS facts. To defend the Parcells critics, there is NO...

Pardon me? How do you figure? The Cowboys were 5-11 for three straight years before Parcells and since they have been in the playoffs every year....

No, you had it right. Everyone who has started a game for Miami since Dan left is a scrub. Now one might get himself off that list, but as of now,...

He was definitely good value at 32. In any case, I am glad they didn't pick him, because we got a great pick at 32 and now an extra #2 in next...

I love how Sparano makes a statement, then follows it up with his own intensifying modifier.... Ex: We dropped too many passes today...really...

I think this is good news all around, esp Hagan and Allen. We need these guys to step up.

This is a good thing. It means we still maintain the passion for our team. When nothing gets us stirred up anymore, thats when everyone should...

Certainly didn't mean to diss the Ozz-Ster! Major Props...:up: My point was, and I think you know this, right now, you guys are the only info...

I like this attitude. I like it alot. Damn straight...its a day when the uniforms are on and there is another team in front of our players...Go...

True enough, which is fairly obvious. However, the first game will build a "new baseline". Whatever Beck shows, his improvement, or lack of...

I disagree. Preseason games aren't meaningless to the players. They are meaningless to us, and to the W/L, but jobs will be secured and depth...

It does appear that Omar is in a bit of a "no win" with you Beck loyalists. :lol:

Good thing he didn't say he wanted one of the other QBs to start...:wink2:

For the record, after saying that Beck is "QB of the day" or whatever, Omar is called a jerk and an idiot. And the only reason I bring it up...

I agree. Its NOT that big a deal.

Football aside, I hope Quincy Carter gets his life turned around. Very few EVER make it in the NFL. He did. Now if he can even overcome even...

Ok Regan, fair enough. But let me ask you then...What QB was available that if you had been GM you would have brought in? And what WRs?...

You are offering alot of opinions on other QBs, so I'll just accept them as such. But you did ask a question that deserves an answer. What has...

And if in that putrid state he is still our best QB, things are not looking good for us as a team. :no:

Ok.

Unless something crazy happens, its McCown.

I wasn't there, I didn't see it so I don't know for sure. I hope Beck did throw a TD. I hope that Beck is better than he looks, better than he...

Guys..we have a rookie, a second year guy, and a journeyman. Don't expect miracles. If things continue as they are now, McCown will start, and...

They might be. If you think they are, they are. Say what you want. Its when people say, "Oh, no, I am not taking up for Beck" and then call...

Wow, Take II. Pro Athletes have to take whatever the public gives. Bottom line. I am done with that issue. Other issues I will deal...

Wow...alot to discuss here. First, I didn't say it was "right" for anyone to call Beck (or any pro athlete names) I just said I don't think...

Hmmm....if I saw a blogger calling John Beck the next Marino (and no one disputed what this blogger said) I would be cautiously optimistic that...

Uh, I am not Omar...seriously. :tongue2:

Its not about my opinion vs your opinion. Its about a collective opinion that "John Beck should be above criticism--fair or unfair". Every...

I still don't agree. When you are a professional athlete, getting paid to play a game, ANYTHING (personal or otherwise) IMO is fair game. If...

I think this explains why we are having such a long debate. You guys "have to go at it" when you see what you perceive to be unfair or biased...

I don't agree with this. If you are a professional football player, you are fair game. People can criticize you anytime, anyway, for any reason....

SO WHAT? Those are his opinions. What does that matter? Look at it this way...if I he is so wrong, and so biased, and so slanted that he can't see...

I wasn't talking down to you. Sorry if thats how my comments were perceived. But to the debate at hand... So you acknowledge that Omar (like...

This is correct. Which still puzzles me why people get so emotional about what Omar says. Omar isn't going to decide who starts. Blogs aren't...

But you seem to expect everyone else to "want" exactly what you want. You want the facts, others may want someone who was actually there to give...

Thanks Stringer. That was the first thought that popped into my mind as well.

Uh...I really don't know even how to respond to this. First of all, did you even read my post? I don't agree with Omar or disagree with...

I don't think you can judge a draft class just by the # of starters it produces. Lets say Hagan comes around, has a great summer, and Ginn is...

Who has labeled anyone a bust? No one is a bust until they are. I wouldn't say that we have a bust on our roster...yet. I think if I had to pick...

A reporter lying is not unheard of. A reporter lying about an easily verifiable fact and not being quickly corrected is unheard of. Its not that...

Uh...never have I ever said that I am smarter than you. More objective, perhaps. But I'm older (I'm quite sure than most) and I think objectivity...

Ok. But are they influencing people against Beck?

Right. Ok. And I think that Omar was accused of being both...so according to you, that would be putting Omar in two different categories.

No one, or at least I am not, questioning that Beck needs more time (He obviously does). My point is that any criticism of Beck gets met with...

Yes, please go check the posts. And you will find that I defended the pick of Beck, even though I wanted T. Edwards. So, it wasn't my battlecry.

Sure. You don't have to look far. Go to the start of this thread and look at the comments directed towards Omar. I believe you will find the words...

To the person I "offended" by calling a Becker, I apologize. But I guess its better than being called a "Becker head"...:lol: Relax Dupree. We all...

But who in the national media is posting on this board?

Stringer, its not just Brady Quinn. Its any criticism of any nature aimed at Beck. Some here just won't hear of it.

Not my battlecry. I am glad that Quinn is in Cleveland. I do with we had Patrick Willis, though.

I don't think so. Now, if he goes in for four games and hes a disaster and next TC hes still not making progress, there will be some moaning about...

Thats because no one goes ballistic when Henne gets criticized.

Good post, Like2God. I appreciate the fact that you addressed the issues. I do however want to take issue with a few points. 1) Every Fin...

Wrong again. I have never gone after a specific poster. Omar wrote the original report, not me. How did I instigate anything? You should get your...

No I don't. Thats just plain wrong. I want Beck to succeed. I wanted John Dutton to succeed. And Fiedler, and Feeley, and every other QB we've...

Pardon me? Did you read this from PhinBeck? [I]Well there ya go, no more debate needed. Beck is probably a bust because someone here said so....

I don't think McCown has played much worse than Beck. If so, please point to me the game you referring to. Oh, and the bold part of your post...

Exactly!:up:

:sidelol: I don't think I need to elaborate anymore than this on how hysterical the "Beckers" react to any criticism of their Messiah.

It was a good post, except his defense was wrong.

Take up the "white knight" comment with the one who originally made it. Take up the "end all" opinions about Beck with those who have said...

Yep, I agree on all points.

Your comments on Parmele are making MY point. You had made reference to what a "great story" John Beck was/is. Parmele would be a much better...

We all want Beck to win (just like I want Parmele and Thomas and Murphy and Lionel Dotson to win). Every player is a feel good story. Beck, IMO,...

Well, every QB ever drafted in the first two rounds showed GREAT potential in college and at combines. Some just don't have the "it" factor that...

This is an example of what I am talking about. Because Omar's Blog outlining Beck's performance puts him in less than a positive light, we know...

I think many Beck supporters (and I don't necessarily mean you because I don't if you are in this category) are so sensitive to any criticism of...

All he was doing was giving a "Play by play" report. How can that be off? Did Beck really not throw the INTs ? If not, then Omar is in fact,...

I agree. My brother is a huge Saints fan and he says that Adrian Arrington, or whatever his name is, (A WR from Michigan) is the rookie star so...

Why would Omar lie about something that is so easily verifiable? Omar's blogs are well known in S. Florida...if he is lying, the Dolphins will...

Omar wasn't criticizing, he was reporting. Unless we have evidence that Omar is lying about Beck, which so far I haven't heard, its Beck's...

I didn't bring up Bledsoe, Testaverde, or Lucas. You, or one of your fellow complainants did. I was just telling you that they weren't that bad....

Great...just do your research first. Because right now you are posting with alot of emotion and the facts don't support your case.

Bledsoe and Testaverde were legit big time QBs in this league and Lucas was 6-3 as a starter under Parcells.

Killed him in the past? Pardon me? Uh, he won two SBs, one with a backup QB. I'd say he knows how to put QBs in position to win games....

I agree. I think everyone who is throwing the "Carter is a drug addicted crappy QB" sentiment around needs to look at the more important picture....

...or not.

Great insights.

Are you guys coaches or something? I ask because I don't know. I am just curious as to what expertise you guys are relying on for these...

:sidelol: Good stuff, Alen.

Guys...all of these coaches have been around doing this for a living for decades. They have all seen numerous young QBs. They not only get the...

For Henne, this is correct. For the other two, its been more. Perhaps they are seeing the same mistakes as they have seen in the past. Maybe they...

Why do you think its "loyalty crap"? BP has a long history of success in this league. He doesn't commit "random acts of loyalty crap" with no...

Well, we know these guys aren't just "Randomly" bringing in QC. There is a reason behind it. What could those reasons be? 1. Its no reflection...

I think this is 100% correct. This, IMO, is all about Beck. If they just needed another arm for TC, they could get any of the street FA QBs who...

Don't blame Carter. This is being done because the veteran QBs on our roster haven't shown that they are legitimate. This screams about the player...

What nonsense. To extrapolate that it has to do with Michigan players is illogical as hell. If a GM overrates a player because he went to...

Uh, I don't think what we saw today was a "bouce back". Its seems its more of the same not being able to read the defense and find a WR downfield,...

Maybe in terms of separation, acceleration...that sort of thing. And remember, Bess is still just an UDFA. Every year there is one that is the...

I don't think its "in fairness to Beck" that Henne didn't look much better. If Henne is on par with Beck, that isn't good for Beck, regardless of...

This doesn't surprise me at all. I am hoping that he improves...and I am not basing it anything other than sheer emotion. I haven't seen anything...

Exactly. And the whole idea that Henne has already determined his "fate" for this year is ludicrous. He'll get to camp, he'll learn the playbook,...

Am I the only one who is completely UN-concerned with what "talking heads" say about the Fins? Who cares? These guys (mostly) look at last...

I don't disagree in principle, but to the players defense, this is the ONLY time in their careers that they will have ANY leverage with the team....

Gruden is THE problem in Tampa Bay. Players like Cadillac Williams, Michael Clayton, Alex Smith, come to Tampa and do great...at first. He plays...

Search my posts. I think its the thread titled "Simms likes Beck" or something like that. I talk about any improvement to this team will...

I seriously doubt this gets to the level of a hold out. Merling's situation is complicated by virtue of NE forfeiting their pick and it...

...and some having starting opening day because the others are not SO good.

When you are the worst unit on the worst team in the league, you shouldn't expect to be ranked better than last. I think we may still pick up...

Great post.

Brown is coming off a serious knee injury and RW is hasn't played meaningful football, in what, three years? I like the future potential of...

IMO, its not that RB is a joke. Its that he is injury prone. He has yet to finish a season without missing significant time. Now he's older. Its...

I think any GM worth his weight in salt would. I remember that the prevalent feeling was that "we didn't need Willis" because we had JT, ZT, and...

Yep. And it makes sense. A rookie WR will get, if he's lucky, 6 touches a game (including KO and PR and reverses). A LB or DT can play 15-20 plays...

This is pretty easy. We surely wouldn't have drafted a WR with the #9 pick. We would have taken either the kid DT from Louisville or Patrick...

I think somewhere between 5-7 wins, but, in the NFL, crazy things happen. Didn't the Colts go from 3-13 to 13-3 some years ago? So while we...

I think McKinney starts at LG, at least to start the season. If one of the kids shows some potential, he might get some snaps to see how things...

I would rather have LaMont Jordon if we are going to bring in a guy. I hear he is considering New Orleans, though. I think Tampa is ideal for...

Reasons I like Ted Ginn: 1. Hes a Fin. 2. He's a fin. 3. He is a fin. Even though I hate the Buckeyes (and their JV schedule) I won't...

I share your excitement, I am just a year behind you. I think this year we are too young, too thin at WR, to limited at LB, and too uncertain at...

Yes, but consider what you are "assuming". Ginn, maybe can/will improve. But I'd have to say that if Hagan shows up its going to be a shock. For...

RG is important, and if none of the kids step up, its McKinney. So at that spot, at least we have a fall back position. I don't ever remember...

My advice...Don't buy them from the box office. Go to Miami down University the day of the game and select the tickets you want. Dolphins...

This is exactly what I was thinking. We used to have a homefield advantage. Esp in Sept/Oct. Thats gone. Way back when, teams used to get punished...

"...ahead of Hagan..." Uh, I think John Dunlap, the UDFA that we just signed is ahead of Hagan. Hagan might just be the worst WR ever to play for...

I think we need a dominant OLB who can rush the passer, ala George Selvie at USF. We need another inside LB who is an improvement over...

I agree the news is heartening. I think they have McKinnie as a safety valve at the other guard spot. Murphy, Darilek <sp?>, and Thomas will be...

It could also be that they might be willing to go with upside this season. If they see Chad Henne with more upside than John Beck, they might want...

If you look at McCown's career, he has had some incredible games playing for some incredibly bad teams. Not saying he is the second coming of...

Josh McCown and John Beck do not a controversy make. :lol: Good point. And that is funny. However, what we do have is three young QBs, any of...

I think its because hes 34 and this is his last year. He also saw what Michael Strahan did year without TC. I am not defending it (as I wish he...

I don't think Merling's situation is tricky at all. He's the 32nd pick. You take the 32nd pick from last year and make the adjustment and thats...