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I'd say so, personally, but its nuanced. IMO, Ws and Ls aren't all of the story...not saying its everything, but strength of victory (unless...

We could lose more games next year simply based off the increased difficulty in schedule, finishing 2nd in the division. Our strength of victory...

I don't believe they just gave up...I believe Flo earnestly believed this was the better move over hiring guys like McDaniel and the others (right...

You're only avoiding the Ram 'cuz you know you'll buy it if you drive it. :) Motor Trend's Truck of the Year 3x in a row...record. Sure do love...

Could be steep, ya, but ya gotta start somewhere. Somewhere between there and a 2021 2nd and 2022 1st.

Yep, that 3 pick is much more valuable than the proposed trade. For a drop to 19 I'm asking for 1st/2nd picks for 3 years.

Umm...Miami's Defense was #1 in the league on 3rd downs in 2020.

Could still see a Tua/Smith reunion...only in Houston...not sure how I feel about that lol.

Yes, "they" still only won 4 games...not he. They had severe issues due to HC/GM incompetence. In the immortal words of Gunny Highway, the guy...

We'll see how it shakes out come the draft. That's the great thing about guessing and trying to predict what they'll do. Nobody ever gets it...

We'll see...teams do stupid **** all the time. Miami drafted Tannehill (who I still love btw, not dogging him) at 7...that was WAY too high. He...

Its a VERY QB thirsty year...and most of that thirst will get quenched, whether the prospects deserve an R1 designation or not. There's logic,...

Some of these prospects for 2021 would be well-served to do up their own "combine" type workout video and send it out to teams. Will be...

That's one entertaining breakdown right there.

Lance at a trade-down to 12th or so would be least painful I guess.

I think it would be ludicrous to take a QB in the 1st. I also think it would be ludicrous to NOT hedge against potentially moving on from Tua in...

Agreed. There should be some great opportunity to bring in some above-average players at a very reasonable cap hit...and I believe Grier/Flo can...

The last time I rooted for a divisional opponent to win the Super Bowl, because they'd never won one, they ended up getting 6. Not making that...

There will be a lot of opportunity this coming FA period...not a bad consolation prize eh?

Its not about accurate results, its about probabilities and predictions. Its not accurate fact until it happens, of course.

It will be interesting and unique, this situation, as far as I can remember, has NEVER happened in the Super Bowl era. And like you said, Miami,...

Never.

I bet the Houston owner lets Easterby go...unless ego is making the decision, in which case, we BETTER be on the phone!

That 3 pick is so damn valuable though...I dunno if its prudent to pick ANY player there, if there are takers for trades (which there should be at...

Just waiting for the surprise... "The Miami Dolphins have hired Norv Turner to be their Offensive Coordinator."

I hear ya...I'm more referring to improvement along "his" talents. He'll never have Allen's arm...the dude can flick it, falling down, sideways,...

Yes and going into his 2nd year, he'd made strides. He fixed a lot of bad...and in that Houston playoff game, he looked the part...until those...

This is the part that has really been nagging at me since they started him. After the Arizona game, it seemed maybe Flo knew something we didn't...

One of the most glaring examples of how important OCs/position coaches are to a team, as well as the Pederson example. HC is king, but the other...

Ya ya...and in 2010, nobody gave a damn what you had to say...some things never change.

My take is this, and it will represent my last post in this thread. Tannehill ALWAYS showed improvement in his game. It may have been small...

What you CAN notice is all the busted coverage stuff he takes advantage of. A good chunk of that is probably from his run threat. What you can...

I dunno man...we gave him opportunity to show the rest of the league just how inept he was...in spades. For Jets management to believe in him...

On one hand, I'm sick of playing the Ravens as they seem to have had our number for many years. On the other, that should be a good barometer of...

I don't believe Tua is a lost cause/bust/crap QB, whatever you want to call it. I believe we'll see a much improved player in 2021, you can't...

If it were up to me, that pick, along with a few more and Tua, would be headed to Houston, and Deshaun would be sporting an aqua 4.

I think that could be the start of the convo...and they BETTER be having that convo... You don't get the chance at a franchise/borderline elite...

Have one to add... Ryan Tannehill would've been proficient deep into the 2020 post-season as a Miami Dolphin.

I really hope they can take out the ****birds again...but they don't have Pees anymore and that defense is not ready for primetime. Gonna be a...

Maybe Beasley's injury is a lot worse than it looked?

Several aren't listing the game at all now, and a few also aren't listing the Steelers game.

Wow...they gotta...Vegas is all about their lines.

Cleveland favored by 7...Bills favored by 3, currently

If you went by how the Bills played tonight, we don't have a prayer. Jesus are they hot! Just when the Cheaters get crappy...

Naaa McLovin was chill. He wasn't the trolly type, but those others... Along with several other shorter-term Cheaters trolls that showed up,...

The Bills/Steelers are in competition for the 2 seed, and they both play at 1PM next Sunday, I don't think they sit people. I've been counting on...

Flo has been adamant about one thing since he came here. You earn your place, or you don't play. Its refreshing to see that also apply to a...

Crazy to think we'd be getting a top 5 pick, but I'll damn sure take it! If we end up at 3, I wouldn't mind seeing a trade-down to a QB starved...

Ya that was a terrible game...all around. All teams/QBs have 'em, you'd have to be a 3-year old not to understand that. That was one of those...

If damn Atlanta woulda finished the Chiefs off today...they HAD it, blew it...that woulda been crazy.

And for week 17, Miami has an extra day for preparation, and the Bills have 2 less than the Dolphins...granted, its a road game, but aside from...

Very possible, ya. If it shakes out how I'm hoping it will (Miami win @ Buffalo and Cleveland loses out), we'd be at Pittsburgh round 1, and...

And how sweet is that...to eliminate the Cheaters from playoff contention one week...then eliminate the Raiders from playoff contention the...

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I don't think that's all on him though. Gailey's keeping him close to the vest IMO. I'm sure he has his reasons, and it could very well be that...

First game in NFL history to finish 26-25...weird. But not as weird as how it unfolded LOL!! That throw Fitz made has GOT to be the craziest...

I frequent a Titans message board as well, and they pretty much all agreed with how BS the OPI and DPI calls there at the end were. If the refs...

Wish I could like this post 1000 times. I don't want to see Tua unless its in garbage time or if Fitz gets hurt.

Just like Flo drew it up...who's next?

Chance at a turnover here...come on get X, X.

All I heard coming into this game was how bad LV's passing D was...yet we call this gameplan...

He's a bum...shouldn't even be starting on STs IMO. LV D came to play...Dolphins not-so-much.

Oh Smith is on a few short lists already...so far I've seen Jags, Chargers, and I believe Lions.

Running backs you say? Like that fastest runner in the NFL through week 15, one Mr. Salvon Ahmed (video below)?...

Fastest ball-carrier this season so far? Kinda surprising:...

Next Gen Stats: "Ryan Tannehill reached a top speed of 20.13 mph on his 17-yard TD run, the 3rd fastest speed reached by a QB on a TD run this...

That defense is REALLY letting that team down, in a big way. They can still potentially miss the playoffs if they don't clamp down some.

What's even crazier, is right now, the Dolphins have the #1 defense in the NFL...and the Titans are the #1 offense in the NFL... [MEDIA]

My brain just exploded........

Isn't it crazy? Last year, you NEVER could've convinced me I'd be pulling for the Pats in a game...ever... So let's all say it...

Ryan Tannehill has taken step towards the NFL's elite (fansided.com)

Should Xavien Howard be in the running for Defensive Player of the Year? (fansided.com)

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Ya its certainly going to take 11 to get in, at this point. Borderline impossible at 10. Every week is a playoff week for this team, like Flo...

Ya my only 2 concerns were injury history and arm strength...he don't have a cannon, nor is it as strong as RT's, but after watching several...

Question is, can the Bills beat the Dolphins?!

Naa Tua will get time to grow with the critical folks. The big difference is he comes in with a strong NFL level toolset and was successful on...

That's a funny way of spelling reasons.

That boy's havin' the time of his life. Love to see it. His interaction with Henry at the end there is fun to watch.

You ever seen some of that Bills Mafia crap? LOL

Article opens up with: "The emergence of Derrick Henry as the NFL’s rushing leader has coincided exactly with the emergence of Ryan Tannehill as...

This dude...lol. Typical.

They had absolutely ZERO business losing that game. Probably early-onset COVID.

When all else fails...blame COVID. Got it.

I was messing around with the playoff machine, and there is a pretty strange potential outcome to the playoff bracketing, if Miami could win-out....

That's the great thing about a season-long statistic...it all balances out, vs good and bad. Teams don't get to the #2 seed by beating all...

CORRECTION: #1 Scoring Defense (#32 in 2019) #1 Defense in Turnovers (#29 in2019) #1 3rd Down Defense (#24 in 2019)

Told folks weeks ago I hope we make the playoffs and go to Pittsburgh first round. They're a joke for an 11-0 started team.

This board, has a LONG history of other teams' fans showing up to talk trash (usually Patriots)...and in a great percentage of those situations,...

Some key team defensive stats: #2 Scoring Defense #1 Defense in Turnovers #1 3rd Down Defense (with an offense that is 21st in the league in 3rd...

I think you'll have that anyway...the Steelers don't scare anybody. I can see them 1 and done. I believe the Bills are, right now, the #2 team...

And just what does that 2 seed get you?

He's a Patriots' jock-riding douchelick. Next?

Maybe some improvement, but not night-and-day level. He improved multiple facets of his game every year in Miami, if slowly, so it's nothing new...

One could argue those 2 elements ALONE are very important to the success of a QB/passing game. Especially when you're going through numerous new...

Agreed...if that's a possibility, there's no way they'd pass on Parsons. One draft philosophy is, drafting to your strengths. This team's...

Can you imagine the contract implications 5 years down the road? Ouch.... Not that I wouldn't LOVE those 3 picks.

In fairness...that stiff-arm is a felony in many states.

It is, but they've had their moments. If they can ignore a portion of Rodgers' PA stuff, they should have a chance. If they can get up for that...

LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Miami, after being arguably the worst NFL team to ever take the field at the beginning of 2019, to a winning record in...

I'm gonna need the Dolphins and Titans to win-out...where it would be Miami @ Tennessee 1st round of the playoffs.

His performance today puts him in 3rd in passer rating. Good stuff. And he has a shot of moving ahead of Mahomes for 2nd (thanks in large part...

We had poor ownership, poor coaching, poor general management, and below-average player development as a standard. If we had him right now, we'd...

How are they on 3rd downs though? I seem to recall them not being able to get off the field at a good rate. Points is the big stat, but other...

Kinda strange how those guys do their rankings...they have Josh Allen 3rd, who has 400 more yards passing than Tannehill, same throwing TDs, 3%...

From a dude on a Titans forum, in a thread about where Tannehill stands as Titans QB: "McNair was a warrior and hes my favorite Titan but he is...

Ah so it would appear he started a bit before this year...the new HC is all about it evidently. So he's out-Tannehilling Tannehill...which makes...

I could be wrong, but it seems like I read somewhere a few weeks ago that Aaron Rodgers, for the first time in his career, has embraced...

Gah...voted a bunch of times. I don't think he can catch Chase Young.

No business on the field as a WR IMO. Put Perry in there over him, the waterboy, IDGAF, just no more Grant.

100%. Shame I could only like it once.

I didn't like our chances much at all, then Gaskins gets on the COVID list...like 'em even less now :( Looking like we're about to get boat-raced.

That's crazy...I'm exactly the opposite for all games lol. Think there's a solid chance we both go 2-2 though :) I just don't see Pittsburgh as...

The mistake wasn't in the letting him go...it was screwing him over with turd coaching and surrounding cast for multiple years. Best thing they...

Ya and Tannehill has his fair share of those bad bounces...like the "INT" he threw against the Browns lol. Regarding Tua so far, he has...

Oh and don't forget...who will the Stej be drafting next spring? lol

Lots of people sleeping on Josh Allen...even fans in the same division. They still have it stuck in their heads, all the bonehead plays he made...

Maybe start off a game in the no-huddle, even if the other team had the ball first (and didn't sustain a long drive)? He looked like a completely...

Not even surprising, at this point...more expected.

Call it fan PTSD, to an extent...I'm working on getting past it. I asked because I'd somehow missed cbrad's post that he linked, and I knew he...

Ya his receivers had some ugly drops/through the hands plays, else it would've been disgusting.

So is this argument about Tannehill finally dead, taking into account today's performance? Was dead for me years ago, still... Edit: Not that he...

All depends on your interpretation of "destroyed." We just played a team that is near bottom of the league in those stats (they'd given up 30+...

This one's on Flores/coaches IMO. On to New York!

Try as I may, I just can't see Denver scoring over about 16, especially if Lock's out. Our weakness on D is against the rush, and they're around...

"What you gonna do....when the Amoeba comes for YOU!"

In a vacuum, before the season, hell yes I'd have been pretty excited if you'd told me the Dolphins were 10-6 in 2020. Not now. 10-6, IMO, is...

Half a game.

BOOM!!!!

He's earned it, IMO.

I agree, and for me, its kind of hard to accept what my eyes are seeing with him, until I watch replays several times and catch some analysis on...

"The Centers for Disease Control guidance explicitly acknowledges the uncertainty that doctors can face when identifying the cause of death. When...

You guys seriously believe those numbers? When people who have died in motorcycle crashes were designated as Covid deaths? Have at it.

When the base number is ridiculously off like Covid numbers are, it skews everything.

You, sir, have been assimilated. When somebody I know loses a very long battle with stage 4 cancer and dies from it, only to be counted as a...

Absolutely not...far lower. I know people personally that have died from other things, but were attributed to Covid.

248k deaths holds no water whatsoever, sorry.

With that Titans Defense and Special Teams, they wouldn't have a prayer.

Love those kinds of stories...makes it even easier to pull for the guy.

Voted for the throwbacks, of course!

Imagine if he had even one of his main two guys from Bama on this team... That would be something to see.

Pure class.

While they haven't had a tough game yet, the Pittsburgh Defense is #1 in yards, passing yards, rushing yards, and most importantly, points. Gonna...

All that under-fire practice he got in Miami has paid off!! (for another team.....) [MEDIA]

First question I ask myself is, "would Bill O'Brian trade him away in this scenario?" I believe that answer is yes, so the Dolphins won't do it.

Y'all killin' me lol...just ignore the dude...much better that way, trust me.

Knowing his full history, how do you NOT love the hell outta this kid?! I mean, "its huge," "each and every week," gets a bit old hahaha...but...

Anybody notice this one? [MEDIA] Its worth a read.

Tannehill+Henry+Titans Offense...fun to watch.

I was down on him in some games...didn't seem to have that clutch gene people fantasize about...needed more pocket presence and didn't think he'd...

"The Titans made NFL history. Per NFL Research, the Titans became the first team to score a touchdown on every red zone possession (minimum six...

Somebody (who has me blocked thankfully), seemed to be really pushing that narrative that the Titans 'ain't beat nobody good.' The Jills have...

If a Miami QB threw up these stats, I'd be fairly happy. [MEDIA] His 2020 start: 44 of 60 (73.3%) for 460 yards, 6 TDs, 0 INTs Very small...

Titans HC has shown that propensity to keep it close.

Allen sure does look like he's turned the corner from that debacle he displayed against Houston. Caveat: he's played the Stej and Fins so far.

Based on every report I've ever heard about Tua's ability to lock-down an offense in record time, repeatedly, coupled with his seemingly...

That's my coach! Hell of a man, that's what you call leadership. I see the kneeling slightly differently, but I'm onboard 100% with everything...

On your point about not all throws being equal, RT also completed the most statistically difficult pass in 2019 (according to advanced...

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He's a scrub bro...just listen to the dude. I mean, who wants a guy who, despite not starting almost half the season, "left no question about his...

No doubt...he needs to improve there. I'm just saying, as of "right now," with Tannehill's warts, I'd take those guys over him. If he turns in...

His full skills toolbox doesn't jump off the stat sheet, but that dude just has a knack for keeping them in games they shouldn't be in (save the...

I'd say he's a solid Tier 2...toward the top of the tier - inching toward 1. I just don't know if I'd ever be able to call him Tier 1 (I view...

Touchdownwire ranked the best QBs at numerous types of throws, specifically: Best 3-step Drop: Ryan Tannehill Best Outside the Pocket: Ryan...

As soon as people can learn to scroll by something they have no interest in...so probably never.

They kinda blew that myth out of the water in 2016 when they had back-to-back games at SD and Rams, and won both. Then again in 2017 at the...

Week 13...I'm surprised nobody's focused in on that one yet. Potential Tua vs Burrow...at The Rock! Marquee match-up for their rookie years, if...

I can't believe you're still arguing with that dude lol...he's been proven wrong and intentionally misleading COUNTLESS times, and should be...

I'm pretty hyped up over the kid too...I hope he can stick...can do a LOT of things well.

And where are those coaches now? Besides Gase, who is muffing up another team, that happens to be our rival so "good on ya." Philbin was lucky...

And for the record, I don't think ANY of us who supported Tannehill want anything but the best for Tua as a Miami Dolphin. The dream scenario, to...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/titans-ryan-tannehill-and-a-j-brown-ranked-as-top-10-qb-wr-combo/ar-BB13vn45?ocid=msedgntp

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This kid just looks so damn special...mostly in the smarts and accuracy categories, throw in pocket presence for good measure. Has to be the most...

Don't sleep on Malcolm Perry...QB from Navy we picked in the 7th round. Slot/Jet Sweeps in this kid's future, with the occasional trickerations...

I didn't like any QBs this year either, personally. I would have been OK with punting for 2021, but will support Tua 100% and hope for the best...

NFL receivers will eat him up on PI calls...except maybe in the post-season.

I would think his placement would hold more water than a flat rating number. If he finishes at like 16th or some crap like that, you could easily...

I'm glad he doesn't watch football.

Agree...and I'd hate to see their HC get that kind of a haul...then again, it may be fun to watch him squander it.

So the two on rookie contracts are considered generational, or at least, early-elite guys. REALLY hard to peg those. That's the NFL lottery...

Aaaaaaaand… So does Tannehill.

And I wouldn't call it an amazing game...it was good. Took a bonehead playcall on the Seachickens part for them to even win, they had lost it...

True...but just compare 2002 Brady to 2019 Mahomes and tell me they're anywhere in the same universe for skill / talent... Took Brady several...

How about 2002 Brady...not Brady who's had 15+ years to hone his system?

Bruh. He had great games against the Texans and Titans...and had a great clutch comeback in the SB. Who in history, especially at his age, would...

Barring career ending injury, he will go down as the GOAT...hands down. At least, that's my prediction.

Honestly, I'm not in love with any of the QBs in this draft...except a pre-injury Tua, but it wouldn't bother me if they took him at 5. I don't...

I'm with everybody who says I don't care about their color, just be good. The military is a wonderful world for diversity and learning to...

You're gonna have to back that up with stats sir.

RT at pro bowl mic'd up. [MEDIA]

And did you see in the QB skills competition, Jarvis Landry beat Lamar Jackson?!?!?! Umm.....

I remember that hit...put him out of the game. Didn't like it. Wasn't that when Dan Campbell was interim HC?

So if it's so "set-up" and a certainty, how much did you wager on the game? No such thing eh? And I guess the Dolphins winning against the...

Let me guess...is the argument now comparing Tannehill's salary, if Tennessee signs him, to Mahomes' rookie numbers? As if rookie QB money is...

No they didn't win...but to say they "don't have a remote chance" is ignorant and laughable. Any given Sunday. The "league" didn't have anything...

I had a damaged ureter (tube from kidney to bladder) about 6 weeks ago, damaged from a groin surgery 6 days prior, and NOTHING touched that pain...

Article about Miami interest in Burrow....

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Teams scoring 35+ points in the playoffs, since 1990, win over 90% of the time. But Tannehill, all by his lonesome, is supposed to overcome and...

I'd go you one better, and say Mahomes is the only QB with the talent to win regardless, but looking at his arsenal of targets, it's not hard to...

We likely haven't seen the last of Tannehill to Landry connections. They're both gonna be in the pro-bowl...along with Tunsil. And Calais...

I don't believe Tannehill will get top money...maybe something with some incentives built-in, but nothing near $35-40M. Maybe around Cousins'...

Rodgers has a game like yesterday, and its his team's fault, or credit to the other defense. If Tannehill were to have that game, it would be...

Ya good thing Rodgers is elite and on another level, so he could carry his team today. Green Bay lost to an outstanding TEAM today...so did...

Mahomes' defense shut Henry down and blanketed receivers all game long...and got consistent pressure on the QB...or did that part escape you?

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Ya they had a good run. There's plenty teams that wish they were in the AFCC game. I just wish they'd have played to their normal level of...

Poor pass blocking, no receiver separation, drops, etc. VERY few could carry that. Wilson couldn't even against the Packers. NOT knocking...

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Can't see SF losing...then again, I would've guaranteed Henry woulda had 150+ today, so what do I know...

They just got man-handled today...plain and simple. Mahomes doesn't help either lol.

Is this kid not the best you've ever seen at the position?

Complete team ***-whoopin'.

They're just not playing at the level they have been for a while now. Physicality isn't there.

Did the OL watch Dolphins film this week?!?!?!

Hence, "he DOES usually do a lot better in the 2nd half."

I just hoped they had a better showing than this. At least play your *** off and leave it all on the field...not give Mahomes an ezmode rushing...

I gotta say KC's defense is holding Henry back better than I thought they would. I mean, he has 62 yards, but for him lately, that's a low number...

And their defense has been so swarming and physical...letting them down hard.

You gotta take that opportunity to nail him...damn...pathetic defense.

They looked like they were scared to knock his *** out...terrible.

Last thing the Chiefs want to do is give THIS team a 24-0 head start...they won't fall apart like the Texans did.