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No, but its easy to see which kind of guy you were in class.

There is a significant difference between "splitting hairs" and knowing what words mean. They have already been defined and without your help,...

Yes, he was elite while he played at an elite level. Let me use a non-football example to clarify my position using the root word "fast" in place...

Playing at an elite level ALWAYS makes you elite during that time. Consistently playing at an elite level makes you one of the all time best....

I suspect you actually believe that. I'll take it into account as I read your spewing.

So many words with so little meaning. If someone plays at an elite level, then they were elite players during that period of time. If you are...

Actually it does answer one of those questions. If he played at an elite level, then during that period of time he was elite!

It made him elite while he played at an elite level. Go back and review the meaning of the word elite. It is not defined as an all time great,...

An elite is a select group. The sportswriters and media have said Tannehill has played in the top 5 QB stats ratings since he started with the...

He seems to be playing like an elite QB. Hes rated as one of the top 5 by many networks and sports outlets during the time he has played this...

That's sort of what I said; you were just a tad more succinct!

I suspect it is fundamentally due to two things: 1) Physicality - He seems to be healthier and have gotten stronger, or at least more physical...

No, I'm slow about a lot of things, but I'M AHEAD OF YOU!

When I moved to North Carolina I saw an interesting bumper sticker on the car in front of me. It said "I may be slow, but I'm ahead of you". I...

I Agree. It sounds like someone doesn't understand the difference between cause and effect, but think they do understand it. It's like listening...

Where's the face palm icon when I really need it!

It nice to see a rational post dealing with a QB's actual performance and what it means with regards to their current season.

It's not as if you have a choice, is it.

It's no more then I would ask for. A good team is usually well balanced. Adding 2 or 3 "hero's" to an unbalanced bad team usually makes them even...

Sounds like you actually agree with keyfin, but are trying hard not to acknowledge that you do.

I would add the possibility that the line is weak. No offensive line is any better then its weakest player.

My point was there is no specific plan for a QB, beyond what we have already done and who we have this season. What we have available right now...

I think you guys are all wet when it comes to the plan. You are all basing plans on who is to be selected or if you are unsure of who is to be...

Why do you hate the Dolphins this much?

So if the Dolphins take an action that will invite debate on this board it's a bad thing?

They will also complain if we pick high and don't find a successful QB!

I feel we should let the coach make the decision if and when to play Rosen. I suspect he will play in another 2 or 3 games. I wouldn't be...

As far as position assignments go, they are all just ends, in my opinion, with some degree of specialization which isn't as clear cut as many believe.

Actually, that is a good definition of "common sense"!

It most certainly shows it has been wrong in the recent past!

What about the TE's?

It's no secret that I always was and still am a fan of Tannehill. Once he was traded, my position didn't have a basis for consideration any more....

I thought Grier was the one with money to spend?

Based on the reasoning you just presented, it doesn't make any difference what draft position we use on a QB. Some "elite" QB's were taken at the...

Isn't a win-win the sign of a good trade?

Great response. I actually understood every word. If I can get it, you'd think the rest of the folks here could also get it. This should...

No! I reiterate, only TEAMS win Super Bowls. You can assign any success you want to any player, but football is a TEAM sport. In Baseball, you...

I'm afraid you missed my point. Teams win Superbowls, not QB's!

Hall of Fame players in any sport are subjective choices. There is not a one to one equivalency between who was the best at a position and who got...

Makes you want to consider the value in tanking for a QB. Of course with fans, their jobs are not on the line and they can blame everyone but...

There is a historical precedent for this nonsense. "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" People have been arguing about this kind of...

I believe the guy who coined the statement "there are lies, damn lies and statistics" was a politician. You know, like the folks in congress who...

I'll enjoy the Skins game discussions, reading the level headed, well thought out and clearly supported explanations that all the but hurt...

He doesn't have to be good enough to beat us; he has to be bad enough for us to win.

Do you think we can get Mr. Ross to pick up the tab?

That is true, and because of that I get a little sensitive about being as particular as possible to offset the speculative part of many posts. At...

"Right, but the company he's in there can be informative." Your basic assumption about "....the company he's in..." being informative is wrong;...

It appears the big bad belli has you snowed!

All that's true, but you can only have one draft a season, so next year we have 3 #1's!

Don't we have three #1 round picks? We could use any one of them for a QB if the GM thinks they can improve the teams performance and the chances...

I was glad to see Ken Anderson at 11. There is no question in my mind he belongs there. The fact he isn't in the hall of fame shows inconsistency...

There may be a way to make a profit from all these terrible teams. We could create the "Garbage Bowl". There are always a lot of fans so...

"a really good QB"? Don't you mean a really good front line?

I don't object to keeping him out next week, but not to "teach him a lesson". We should let other players show us if they can do better, since we...

I like the information you bring up to support your opinion as opposed to those say the results were bad so we are useless. That may probably be...

I feel the most important statistical information over the first 1/2 of the season is how a player, a positional group or game planning is...

"....the line looked a lot better in week 2 for whatever reason. It could be the difference in schemes between NE and Baltimore...or it could be...

Sometimes players need that dose of reality. This is a really under-rated fact!

Is this a case of 4 Patriots against the entire Dolphins team?

It was clear to me that the Dolphins would bring in Rosen early in the season, but not the first few games unless he had really outperformed Fitz...

" .... their views can be altered with the right approach". Don't kid yourself. The only approach that works for the players that complain and...

What are the historic percentages of getting a successful QB in the first round? I'm guessing its around 50%.

You may or may not be right. In either case we need to try and do something. I feel my recommendations are general enough to be used with some...

Get a grip on yourselves posters. With a new coaching staff you can expect it to take 4 to 6 games before a team gels. During that time we will...

Well, is it possible to play worse?

To put a positive spin on things: We are likely to play better then this for the rest of the year.

Do you do realize that that by saying the Browns have a 10000000x better chance then we do; you are implying that we do have a chance?

Dumbest post of the century!

It's clearly not about what he did last year, but what he can do this year under a new (different) coaching staff.

Of course you can think Rosen is your future QB. No one really knows yet if he is or isn't and this trade doesn't imply that in any way shape or...

What a bunch of lemming juice. If you are looking for a sport with a lack of peril, may I recommend dominos!

This is a very good deal for the Dolphins! We get rid of one player who we were going to unload anyway. Let's assume the 2nd round draft pick was...

For what you are suggesting to make sense to me; we would have to have a lot of improvement in a lot of positions in order to be justified in...

I wouldn't.

I agree. Thanks for the response. As little as I know of the real application and detail of statistics the less I know about "fuzzy Logic". Having...

I notice in your last paragraph that you pointed out about a certain type of anomalous result " That type of result generally happens only if the...

My point was that those QB's played better with Gase coaching then without him. Since Gase was with Manning for just one year and Manning had a...

I don't disagree, but to put more of a point on my concept of what a QB's capabilities are is not based on extremes like a strong arm vs. a weak...

I would point out that Manning's performance with Denver is intertwined with the performance of his OC, a guy named Gase. After Gase left,...

I'm beginning to believe that it's not what your QB is capable of, but how well the coaching staff uses what a QB is capable of. I do not agree...

Because those 13 games were catastrophic for the team and the player. There is a reason why Rosen went thru 3 coaches last year and was going to...

That would explain why she sounds like some of our posters.

I think you need a drink to steady what ever is left of your nerves.

I think this list is way off. The teams he has at the bottom are probably going to do much better then that. I feel the Jets have the highest...

I thought this was supposed to be the year of Flores?

There is a lot you say I agree with, but in the end its the players who do the playing. If they can't, or won't, then the only avenue out is...

It's nice to read a well thought out and presented position about "tanking".

YES! Maybe?

Fair enough!

RONG!

This thread represents a terrible point of view. We can't control the team, but we can have a positive fan attitude. By definition, a fan is "an...

Good information, but I don't know to what extent it will carry into this year. I see a potentially strong team with coaching as the biggest...

I feel at a minimum we win 6 to 8 games. Clearly, it is hard to predict how well the new coaching staff will perform but I feel with their...

The highlighted portion of your post really sums up every NFL players situation neatly and accurately. This is a real time league and you must...

If this is correct, then it explains a lot. I hope your source is in a position to know this kind of information firsthand. I'm following Gase...

He's the one who got the job! Doesn't that put him is 1st place?

In reading this thread I see one glaring omission. How is a game plan accounted for in these statistics? I have seen many teams overcome being 20...

I think you are right. A player can only be meaningfully evaluated against other players over a common period of play which is usually only a...

The only variation is : 1) How bad it makes that other team 2) All that counts about the teams is who wins that day. If a team is 1 and 15 and the...

A better team always makes an opponents team look worse. We've done it to the Pats on more then one occasion, once with Cutler as QB after he...

I agree. I'm afraid I am starting to become one of the lemmings that I complain about all the time. I need the seasons first game to start as soon...

Your right. I'm afraid I let my emotions get the best of me.

A lot of chest pounding about nothing! Adam Gase told the NY media he lost his job because he didn't win enough. I think that says it all; no...

You are CERTIFIABLE!

I appreciate the way you explained how the confidence level qualifies the results of an analysis and how you can determine if the distribution of...

Is this the case with Belichick? I thought he did not do that well prior to going to New England.

Kind of like voting for a president. You commit to what you feel is the best or water down your sanity trying to get a universal choice.

I feel a 2nd for Rosen isn't too bad IF it is coupled with a 4th or 5th from the Cardinals. In this draft an extra pick at 4th or 5th could mean...

Just keep one thing in mind, a pro bowl nomination is more of a popularity contest.

Is any kind of smoking going to improve their health? No, it just clogs up the lungs and restricts oxygen transfer. Why would an athlete whose...

Money is obscene? I suspect this posters ego is obese!

Since the players sign a contract, then isn't any requirement that doesn't force a player to break the law legal? I think this is the case. I...

Are you delusional? This is the NFL. There is always pressure on everybody. The ones that don't let the pressure define them are going to be the...

That's the question. That's always the question.

A fan! :bighug:

What we see on the tube or read in the media is not actually what goes on in the locker room or demonstrates insight to what is occurring on the...

Those that have the least to offer don't let that stop them and go out of their way to embellish what they are presenting with any vitriol that is...

Thank You. Facts are often hard to come by on these forums.

I'd be curious to hear what noble reason he had for wearing a shirt like that. Was it a Fidel Castro shirt or his brother Che. From my point of...

I appreciate the reply. Statistics always fascinated me because it isn't the math, its the methodology. After I realized that the bell curve...

Doesn't "I said you need to take into account the probability of the condition being satisfied" bias the answer based on how subjective your "take...

Yes. Ignorance is bliss. There is a lot of bliss on this forum!

I think it we will need to be 5 or 6 games into the season before our new coach will have enough meaningful team insight and information to speak...

I agree. Overspecialization doesn't seem to be working as well as many seem to want. Receivers still need to know how to block, running backs...

While I agree they are not mutually exclusive and it can be done in a year, the question is... who can we get that will make this concept a...

I guess I had going backwards, uh backwards.

No. I feel it is foolish to get rid of a Tannehill without having a specific replacement player who is as good or better available to take his...

I think you need another category in your poll. I recommend: Keep RT for as long as it takes to find an acceptable replacement via the draft or...

It's true! I have trouble with my Engrish.

Getting rid of a player just to be rid of him doesn't answer the most important reason for getting rid of him. If the player is that bad, who will...

Foreword progress means not going backwards. Keep Tannehill & Fales until you can get known better replacements. Draft a QB or two and see how...

A coach makes an extremely offensive statement ".... nuke them." and still has a job. This shows that not all "not politically correct" complaints...

I think that makes my point, in a reverse kind of way.

It seems to me that every year there are a lot of coaches that get fired shortly after black Monday. Some get fired sooner. After 5 or 10 years,...

Many, if not most of the posters, claim we need new scouts because we don't draft well. Does this mean that they are rong?!!!

In the era of "political correctness", being fired for "being a jerk" has lost most of its meaning!

What's the difference? Where does a retooling stop and a rebuild begin?

They go well with cream cheese!

It's beyond me to even guess at who they will pick for our new HC. I feel if they don't do something, soon half the fan base will become comatose....

I think Peyton Manning is still interested in football, but that he sees himself as a GM or higher in the chain of command. More likely he will...

It's my understanding that one of the biggest questions candidates need to answer during the interview is who would they use for their staff.

That's telling them, I think?

Would it be more accurate to say what was left of the team quit on him? There can be many reasons for a guy to be a second or third tier player...

I appreciate your response. I can see that subjectivity in both establishing a meaningful skill level and position value can be impractical. I...

I take it you are getting ready to leave if we keep Gase?

I would think there is a meaningful way to combine the effect of the number and severity of a teams injuries along with the value of a player...

In my experience, sitting on the fence means you want to take action, but do not know what action to take. In cases like that you should get off...

NO!

Could you send a copy of this to one of the Patriots boards? I would not be surprised if you get responses like "thanks for letting us know...

I agree. Add to that: 1) Ideal ball position for the play that was run. 2) Having a score that was less than a TD apart. ***** For those...

It's hard to fool a kid more than once. They see and speak the truth, as long as it won't get them in trouble.

Nice insight. I agree!

Sounds like wishful thinking on your part.

Any chance he has learned a few things about being a head coach since he left Miami?

:dolphin: You caught me off guard and made me laugh, thanks. :dolphin:

Burp ....:bag:

He does. You just don't like them and feel you could do better. The most important intangible to me is a draftees maturity. Many of the top picks...

The dolphins had the week off, this forum didn't. I suspect that's where the problem lies.

I hope Ginger blends well into your family. We had basenjis for 35 years and really enjoyed them, when they weren't outsmarting us. I recommend...

This post is a breath of fresh (and rational) air at a point in a very difficult season for the Dolphins. Our team is either over performing due...

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You are talking about NFL football players, aren't you?

News Flash - WE WON!!!

Viking fan?

As the Rolls Royce people would say "His performance was Adequate". :)

Love your eloquence and brevity.

What an appropriate handle you have.

I agree with all of your post except the last portion which I have put in a bold font. I agree that our starting QB should be our best QB. I see...

I like this post. Your summary is on point.

I see it differently. I see 2 QB's that coordinate well with each other. They each have a slightly different skill set than the other which our...

It seems to me that you always have a reason for a replacement QB' not just this game. It's fine to have an opinion; even if it is different from...

When it comes to the offensive line, I feel you must start with the Center and build out from there. The center is the "QB" of the offensive line,...

Curious as it may be, last year we beat the Patriots with a game plan.

Fair enough. I don't think it was any more important than our beating them last year. I do know this loss bothered me a lot, but I don't play...

Every game is meaning full when there are only 16 played a year, or is that arithmetic too difficult to understand!

The difference between explosive and implosive is just two letters, or in our case, two offensive linemen

Best post of the week. :theman:

Umm, sadly you make a good point. You would think their performance should be a factor in their keeping their jobs; just like football coaches...

Those guys are not supposed to be "politically correct". They are supposed to know what they are talking about!!!

What more proof could you possibly want? :dolphin: :omg:

What Regression? I only see Defensive growth!

Shouldn't that be 11-0?

Excellent summation. This makes sense in so many ways!

No maybe's about it. You are totally out of your league with these absurd statements that show no coordination between what you say and what is...

I agree, except for the need to use a high draft pick on a QB. I'm not against getting an exceptional QB, I think we should always be looking...

You may also want to consider that everyone who had running yardage also had receiving yardage, except the QB who did not receive a pass.

:dolphin: I agree with all of this post. I think the section I made bold can use a little more perspective. "but I saw a lot of the pre-Gase...

My post said all I have to say on that subject. We will just have to agree to disagree. The good news is the hurricane in the Carolinas shouldn't...

Is that guy using a spit cup?

Thanks for your reply. It makes sense.

Have you noticed that many of the "better" players on bad teams complain about a new head coach unless he pampers them. It has taken Gase two...

Does this also indicate the team has gotten more predictable, or that the method is better just using more recent games, or both?

Prescott is a young QB on a horribly coached team. Doesn't this equate to Tannehills' first 4 or 5 years here?

Much ado about nothing, whoops, I meant no-one!

It doesn't make any difference how good a DT you are if you are over aggresive, letting other teams set you up so they can make their run game work!

1( L The first game is really a toss-up in my mind 2) W 3) W 4( L This game is also a toss-up in my mind. 5) W 6) W If we have won...

The actions Mr. Tillman took when he voluntarily left the NFL to join the armed forces say more than any hanger-on's words can. Its those actions...

Our draft p Player retention is one of the point that tells me we are not only drafting well, but are using some kind of disciplined method.

When you give up a third round pick to get a third round pick it is more of a wash then anything else. NFL draft picks have about a 50/50 chance...

Isn't "the enormous draft cost we paid some random mid round WR" a contradiction in terms, or at least hyperbole?

I agree with your post and like the last part about bottom roster guys and their value to a team. I feel that gets overlooked a lot!

I agree completely.

I think we should contact the American Psychiatric Association, or what ever they call themselves, and give them unlimited access to this board...

That depends on wither or not you buy my particular rosy view.

Maybe, maybe not!

I took a course in college about the history of Africa prior to 1800. When we covered the history of African slavery, it surprised me to find that...

The team benched him for a reason and that occurred before all the kneeling stuff!

None of that addresses the real reason Kap isn't getting any calls. Like many running QB's that initially set the world on fire, after a year or...

I like your approach. Lets go with the 12-4, although I think that may be a little low.

Wasn't he pretty much red shirted last year?

I can't predict how we will do in the first 5 games. I feel if we win all 5, then we will go on to be undefeated. Who do we play in our last 11...

I feel this needs a lot more stretching.

Don't be so hard on yourself. You can be wrong and not be stupid. If it does come to your doing something stupid, I would be surprised if someone...

I believe in nature; others call it God.

I appreciate this clarifier. It is consistent with what I see coming from news sources more interested in getting some kind of shocking headline...

After seriously studying this thread I have come to the sinsere conclusion that it was a waste of my time. My god, what a horrendous load of crap!

Are you sure you don't have your "Richard" in your mouth?

I read the comments stating how something the team did was unproductive or just didn't work and how that observation confirmed that we are in for...

Thank you for this information. I see steady improvement from 4-6 thru 7-9 and relatively high level performance from 7-9 thru 11-13.

I know that in statistics you can take a running average over a small portion of the data, and you can change the location of that running average...

I don't know. He seems to be breaking up with ease.

I'm glad you clarified that. I thought you were talking about his emotional misfires on the field.

If a thousand "that a boy's" are eliminated by one "aw shet", it doesn't mean or imply a thousand "aw shet's" are eliminated by one "that a boy"....

I'm curious about some actions we might take relative to this potential signing. 1) Will we wait until we get down to a 53 man roster before we...

I notice the reviews of Clevelands' pre-season victory did not spend much time on Jarvis's two catches, except to say his longest catch lost half...

I liked the grouping detail and the fact that you presented support rationales for each group. I don't agree with all of them, but that is just a...

New year, new season, new team. We may not be normal this year either, but that will be due to a trip to the playoffs and beyound!

I lived in Cincinnati when Ken Anderson was the Bengals QB. I was a big fan then and I still am. I'm not surprised to see his name come up in an...

Well thought out, well said!

Looks more and more like our coaching staff knows what they are doing.

For me, this has been your best post. I'd like to see more like it. I want to address the portion of your post that I highlighted: 1) I totally...

This summation is on point, as far as I'm concerned.

You are getting more for the same cost. Remember, his high production was based on a limited number of effective plays last years team could...

Friendship is one thing, respect is another! They are not have to be mutually exclusive and they do not always have to go hand in hand.

I like your optimism. I believe it is well founded. This years team will be something to behold.

You make a good point. I don't see him doing as well in Cleveland this year, but with all the talent they have surrounded them selves he may do...

True, but it was a reasonable offer. To call it a low ball offer is bogus. It just wasn't high enough to keep him. It was his choice more than the...

We could say the same about some Dolphins fans.

We don't need a workhorse; we need a stable of horses that work!

I see some of these guys base their knowledge on what they perceive the fan base's to be, as long as it lines up with their opinion. Notice that...

It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog! [ATTACH]

You have to trust your board. If you have the right kind of players showing as being available, you can trade down and come out ahead if your...

That's probably true, otherwise he would be in the wrong womb.

What womb were you in?

Clear and concise, but a little short on elegance!

All touchdowns no doubt.

We can use all the old ( as in continuing good performance over their entire career) guys like him we can get!

I think the last two drafts indicate the turning point was bringing in Gase as HC. Since then we have had two good,solid drafts and are beginning...

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I think the FO is making sure we are fully covered at WR. Remember the old Boy Scouts slogan "Be Prepared"?We will know after training camp who...

Let me offer some insight I found in a Rifle book (The Accurate Lee Enfield) about how an organization works and what it looks like, based...

I'm not so sure. Suh isn't stupid. He will see what he can get and if it satisfies him he will continue to play. If it doesn't, he can retire with...

I think that coach Gase is very consistent in giving the players and coaches that work for him a chance to succeed. They always know where they...

I don't think he ever really got it out of his mouth.

It would be worth making him an offer. I leave it to the front office as to what that offer should be. I think whatever the offer is, Jarvis will...

It looks like it is all about the money. Consider these 5 FACTS: 1) $20,500,000 for Brady's contract for 2018. 2) Brady has routinely...

My favorite QB's are Mason Rudolph and Josh Allen. I suspect Jason Rudolph will be gone by the 11th round. I anticipate 5 QB's being selected in...

I would be happy if we select Allen, but any QB the FO feels fits our requirements is fine with me. I suspect we are about to have a hole at our...

At this point in time, with this being the coaches third draft and considering where our O-line is weak, I think it is fair to say NOW IS THE TIME!

For this forecast I'm assuming that there will be 5 QB's taken in the top 10 picks, and some top level names will drop to the end of the 3rd and...

It's true! We have reduced the number of holes we had two years ago and have shown some drafting know how in the last two years; based on the...

Sounds reasonable to me, but what do I know. I'm a Miami Fan!

When you say "outside the box" thinking, do you mean the brain box? Just asking?

Consider this: Adam Gase likes using a group of running backs. Wouldn't he like to do the same with two active QB's alternating playing half's....

Based on the last two games, I think its fair to say most of those holes have had significant updates. This has been due to improvements of some...

The history of this team under Coach Gase started last year. So far their history is 1 for 1 in making the playoffs. Players now on this team that...

Why now and not before?

Not quite right. Gase is directly responsible for who stays on the roster but not who joins the team in the first place. I am sure there is some...

I disagree! A simple review of last year with Tannehill and this year without Tannehill shows that the teams performance is worse without him;...

I am enjoying watching the Dolphins franchise develop under coach Gase, recognizing that there will be some ups and downs until a consistently...

I like the idea of ID'ing trolls, but how do I identify one? Just bad mouthing the team isn't very reliable. I know most of my responses are to...

I am glad to see this post. It really needed to be said! Thank you.

His team went to the playoffs last year. It seems he made something out of what many on this forum said was a crappy team. We are where we were at...

I agree!

I agree, but I want to add that Cutlers performance in the last game has shown to me he now has this offense figured out and can make it work. His...

Yea - That on is funny & true!

Well, at least your 1/2 right.

I saw a quote from Knute Rockne that focuses on what the dolphins are going through: "The secret is to work less as individuals and more as a...

That's not what Manning says.

Yes!

I keep seeing all the negative comments about how arrogant Coach Gase is and how useless his system is that has led to all this turmoil. That...

GOOD NEWS: Both Cutler and Moore played well last week. BAD NEWS: Many Dolphins fans didn't know it.

I was wrong!!! I predicted "I'm looking forward to a convincing 31 to 17 victory for Miami". Well, I got the most important thing right - WE WON!!!!!

I agree that the cumulative results of changes made to the defense are now showing, causing it to appear that an overnight transition had...

I feel we have started to turn the corner. I'm looking forward to a convincing 31 to 17 victory for Miami.

I think its just a bunch of millennial's who don't know how to react to competitive games and take their queue's from the Bears fans. I know...

I feel this game will hinge on the performance of our offensive line. Sometimes a runner can get out around the edge for a gain; but even then,...

How to evaluate the Jets fanbase: 1) Consider how "smart" the average jets fan is. 2) Realize that 1/2 of the jets fanbase isn't even that smart!...