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[Updated] Mayweather-Pacquiao set for March 13

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by TiP54, Dec 1, 2009.

  1. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    de la hoya was bigger then him and fought him earlier in his career then pacman did. :up:
    hatton is smaller but was younger when mayweather beat him as well. marquez is well marquez, and fyi marquez is saying pacmans afraid of him because pacman knows he robbed him last time. Its all trash talk really.
     
  2. NYFinFan

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    De La Hoya was not good at all at the time when Mayweather fought him, yet Mayweather hyped it as the greatest fight in life. De La Hoya also almost won that fight. Pacquiao just destroyed him to let the point be known that Oscar should have been done awhile ago. Ricky Hatton was much smaller than Floyd, age didn't matter, Floyd's penchant for fighting people smaller than him: Hatton, Marquez, is what mattered. I'm not arguing what Floyd did early in his career because he was good. I'm arguing that he claims he's the greatest boxer in boxing when he doesn't fight anyone. He wants to run his mouth and then duck Shane and Manny? Give me a break. I'm sure he'll find a very solid bantamweight to fight on March 13.
     
  3. unluckyluciano

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    those are the fights that are seen as putting manny on the map though. he fought both fighters years later then floyd. yet because floyd is a couple inches larger its he fights fighters with no talent and much smaller? Thats ridiculious. Zab matches up almost evenly with floyd.
    and mayweather is one of the greatest boxers in boxing. is he better then shane or pacman I don't know, but his track record should speak volumes IMO.
     
  4. NYFinFan

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    You really just listed Gatti and Judah as the best? Gatti got famous for his scrappy fights with Ward and who in sweet baby jesus did Judah beat? He got Spinks once and lost to any other good fighter he fought...
     
  5. NYFinFan

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    I'm not one of the people clammoring for Pacquiao I'm not a huge fan of his. He is huge right now because of the style of his fights. Balls to the wall and absolutely dominates. Even though Floyd usually dominates his fights, he has a counter-punching style that doesn't appeal to most.

    I'm not denying Floyd's skills at all trust me. But I do think if he actually sticks his neck out a little bit he would actually lose. If he wasn't so worried about his damn paycheck every fight then he might actually build on his rep. He's more worried about padding his bank account and padding his record than actually building upon his legend, which he used to always talk about. You don't have to be undefeated to be the greatest fighter in the world.
     
  6. unluckyluciano

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    he probably will lose, but I think the implications that he dodged manny are bs. I think in a straight up fight manny loses just because floyd will have a little bit more powerful punch, which isnt to say mannys punching isnt good, because it is and underrated. If you look at the measurements most of the fighters are more or less around mayweathers height. And everyone was watching shane moseley leave till he knocked the crap out of margarito a guy caught cheating. So really why all the hate besides the fact that mayweathers an *******. There is no reason IMO.
     
  7. MrPaul13

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    Last I checked,Judah is currently ranked 8th,and was undisputed Welterweight champion,Gatti was champ in two different weight classes
     
  8. NYFinFan

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    Until Judah can actually beat a good fighter I wouldn't put him anywhere near the top of the division. Also, I'm not saying Gatti was a bad fighter and he had the heart of a lion but he merely had entertaining fights, not immense talent.
     
  9. NYFinFan

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    I don't mind him being an *******, that's actually what appealed to me at first. The fact that he can talk and could back it up. He has the mouth of Ali, except Ali fought everyone under the sun. Bernard Hopkins fought everyone under the sun. Floyd will say one thing and when there's a huge paycheck on the other side that's where he'll be. The fact his mouth hasn't slowed down and he's fighting scrubs now is what gets to me. Not an interview goes by that he doesn't talk down to Shane. So why not fight him? He wants to say he's better than A fighter and B fighter, but then needs to come up with excuses on why he can't fight them. He talks about moving up in weight and dominating other divisions, then turns around and says why should he, he's the greatest they should come to him. The man just flips everything when there's a challenge facing him.
     
  10. unluckyluciano

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    not really. zab judah nor gatti were bad boxers. Id probably put them with mosely. Like I said mosely is a good boxer, but people jumped on his nuts because he tore margarito a new one. We'll see how mosely really is doing when he fights berto. pacman is a whole other level and when it came to it mayweather was going to fight him. people can say he backed out but like it or not pacman was the one with the problem with the blood tests. Look I like both fighters. No one counters like pacman except mayweather. Pacmans a hard charger, mayweathers as cerebral as they come. Both have been in dog fights. I don't see the need to call eithers legacy into question.
    I think mayweather should fight mosely but I don't know whats being said behind closed doors.
     
  11. MrPaul13

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    Judah did beat the, at the time, allmighty and unbeatable Spinks in their rematch
     
  12. NYFinFan

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    Berto should be able to take Mosley, however he has a nasty habit of showboating and coasting through fights when he's still relatively raw so we'll see.

    How many fights in boxing has had Olympic style drug testing? How many of Pac's opponents demanded this of him? Pac said he would do 3 blood tests and unlimited urine tests. He has never failed a test before, but because Floyd says so now there needs to be a whole new setup. They take it to a mediator and he decides everything will basically be middle ground between the 2 and it still can't get done... I guess I just miss the old days where 2 people talked **** at each other and then got in the ring and lit each other up. Too much politics in boxing now it's sad.
     
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    In my other post I did give him props for that. That said he still doesn't sniff the better boxers of the division.
     
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    Judah,and Gatti,wether you liked to watch them or not,were two of the heaviest hitters in their divisions.
    I dont like Mayweather,I in a very specific and personal level dont like the Mayweather family,but this is all Pac and Roach. And you cant say Mayweather hasnt fought anyone,because he has,and he won
     
  15. unluckyluciano

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    how many of pacmans opponents had the clout to ask for it?
    I think mayweather thinks he is using hgh, which urine tests will not pick up and can be pumped out of the body in a few days. As for the mediator the mayweather camp moved the last blood test to two weeks before, but pacman feels it will make him weaker? Come on. mayweather isnt the first to accuse pacman of juicing either. I read Paul Malignagg thinks he does it too. Now is that because he's trying to get fight with mayweather, maybe but paul isnt exactly the king of composure or kissing ***.

    As for the mediation this is the first time I've heard of a fight being called off because both sides couldn't reach an agreement. The whole moseley not fighting mayweather I have a feeling has to do with golden boy going for this fight instead. Im pretty sure they represent both shane and mayweather.
     
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    So you know,allmost all bouts in boxing short of the Prima Pacadonna level have Olympic style drug testing,usually the day before,not two days before the fight which is what Mayweather is actually asking for.
    How can I be so sure?
    I run a boxing gym for a living
     
  17. NYFinFan

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    Corey Sanders was one of the hardest hitters in the heavyweight division and he is nowhere close to being a top tier fighter. How hard you hit doesn't make them good. I'm not saying he hasn't fought anyone, he most definitely has. I'm saying now he's not fighting anyone. At least not anyone that matters.
     
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    I would certainly hope a Malignaggi v Mayweather fight never happens, just my opinion. Also, when this first started I'm pretty sure the problem was the completely random drug testing that the Olympic style employs and that could be right up until the fight. I can understand both sides to the story, but this fight absolutely could have still been put on if they both would just man up.
     
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    So then I'm just curious, how come now it's being brought to light and a big deal? I assumed all boxing matches had their own structured drug testing from the boxing commission.
     
  20. Muck

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    I thought Nevada only did urine across the board?

    I wouldn't be surprised if Pac was dirty. These days, nothing should surprise us.

    And Mayweather, for whatever reason, certainly hasn't fought the best of the best. Not even in his own division.
     
  21. unluckyluciano

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    that fight probably will as mayweather I think is trying to fight my march 23rd. pacman is fighting clottey.
    the problem was that pacman didnt want to get tested so close to the fight. what pacman said was the last fight he lost I believe it was, he lost because he felt weaker due to him being tested 2 days prior. mayweather gave him two weeks prior or two days dont remember which in negotiations. I don't understand why mayweather is is asking for a different testing unless he does actually think pacman is using. pacman backing out is either a matter of hm just getting pissed at the accusations by mayweathers dad and being stubborn, or he's using. Either way I put most of it on pacman.
     
  22. unluckyluciano

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    fyi, I would love this fight:
    http://www.boxingnews24.com/2010/01/news-mayweather-to-face-cintron-next/
     
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    It's ridiculous that they're fighting on the same night.

    Cintron would be a pretty good opponent. I assume it'd be at 154? That's where Cintron has been fighting and Mayweather wanted to fight Pac.

    OT: Antonio Margarito is supposed to fight on the Pacquiao-Clottey undercard.
     
  25. unluckyluciano

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    i think mayweather is looking for march 23rd. pacman for the 13th?
     

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