Lowering the...umm, Miami-Wisconsin

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  1. RoninFin4

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    Thanks as always. We don't get a lot of the U's games up here in Cincy, but I'll definitely keep my eye on Bailey. He looks impressive. I think you're correct on Orakpo playing both in a 3-point and stand-up at Washington. He and Cushing definitely had monster years for rookies.
     
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  2. alen1

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    Marcus Robinson may not be the biggest end in CFB but he just may be the quickest off the edge. He's amazingly quick.
     
  3. alen1

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    No problem. :) He's done a good job setting the edge tonight. He's mostly played interior of the line this year IIRC and he's strong as a bull. He's mostly bulrush, like Orakpo was, but he's got quickness off the edge to. He's never really had consistency at the U but that's more because this coaching staff has shuffled him along the defensive line. He's worked some linebacker too. He then played end, tore his pectoral muscle IIRC and then was moved to tackle and now he's playing end tonight. Potential is through the roof though. His pure strength rivals Orakpo's and Bailey is a freak of nature (8 percent body fat and vertical jumped 38.5 inches and power cleaned 375 pound along with a 4.5/4.6 in the spring training), really, and he's a very quiet individual. He's got all those stories that he's told while in his hometown. One was where his mother saw an alligator in their back yard, so he went out, grabbed it and killed it with a shovel IIRC. Crazy stuff haha.
     
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  4. alen1

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    Great closing by Sharpton.
     
  5. alen1

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    FANTASTIC play by Brandon Harris. That's why he's so damn good at times for us and he has a great future.
     
  6. Zeke0123

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    whats going on with our protection :(.
     
  7. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Bailey has that Mario Williams type big man's athleticism. But he's not as productive as Williams was. Nor as consistent. And Mario Williams wasn't consistent.
     
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  8. RoninFin4

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    Wow - definitely more intrigued now. Coach Sparano's always preaching "position flexibility", so I'm sure that's a positive tick for Bailey. As I said, haven't seen much of the U, but did he play DT for a whole game/season or is it a rotational thing like how the Giants use Justin Tuck?

    Definitely agree about his ability to set the edge. Those weightlifting numbers are amazing, especially the power clean. Also, saw you update your blog - I'll take a look at that stuff indepth after the game tonight. Thanks for the assist for ours as well :up:

    Cool story about the alligator. If he and Channing get together (and put the U vs. Florida rivalry past them haha) they might have some wild fishing trips - assuming Bailey is a Dolphin of course.
     
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  9. alen1

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    Tough to be consistent when you're being shuffled around every year IMO.
     
  10. ckparrothead

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    Heck of a punt by Bosher with hands in his face out of the back of his own end zone.
     
  11. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    He's played defensive tackle most of the season IIRC. He's been shifted to end at times but mostly tackle.

    Your blog: No problem brother, just returning the favor. :up:

    Haha, all that's missing with CC and Bailey is Matt Roth.
     
  12. ckparrothead

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    That's partly their fault but partly his own as well, because he never seems to "take" to any position.
     
  13. alen1

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    Agreed.
     
  14. ckparrothead

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    Hmm, from what I've seen this year he's been at DE more than DT. But I guess I could be wrong on that.
     
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    Mostly tackle from what I've seen. He's been shifted wide though. Sometimes they have Forston and another rotational big man inside and Bailey out wide on a passing down IIRC.
     
  16. ckparrothead

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    Tight Ends killing Miami seems to be a city-wide problem.
     
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  17. RoninFin4

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    You're not kidding.
     
  18. Gunner

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    What are your thoughts on JJ Watts? He seems to be a real pain in the butt tonight ...
     
  19. RoninFin4

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    That'd be one helluva fishing trip.
     
  20. alen1

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    CK, Shannon has said that Bailey was playing tackle earlier in teh season and they planned on keeping him there but injuries came up at end so they shifted him to end. Now they are keeping him there because their tackle rotation is deep. He's also asked to stay at end because he likes taking on single blocks more.

    Btw, here's the confirmation of him staying.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-um-bailey-09a,0,6001720.story
     
  21. ckparrothead

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    Really what I feel Bailey's future will be is as a 3-4 DE. He's a hybrid player. He never shows a particular passion for or aptitude with speed rushing or penetration in general. He's always just trying to physically dominate the person in front of him...if it was a legal move to pull off an offensive lineman's arms and beat him with it, he would do that every play. He's vicious like that.

    To me, that means he could blossom as a 3-4 End.
     
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  22. ckparrothead

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    That's about what I thought. I've seen him at End far more this year, in response to the injuries to Moncur and others.
     
  23. alen1

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    I've missed a couple games this year but you may be right. I recalled seeing him in both spots, which holds true according to Shannon.
     
  24. Big E

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    The score is closer than this game has been IMO. Wisconsin has owned Miami all four quarters. ST,O, and D. Complete domination.
     
  25. ckparrothead

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    WHAT a grab by Hankerson. This is why I'm so high on him. Just scratching the surface of his ability.
     
  26. alen1

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    At 3.30, looks like Orlando Franklin learned from his earlier mess up. Wisconsin stunted their pass rushers and he went toward the end crossing his face but went back out to the tackle. Good job there.

    Schofield is having one helluva night. Looked good dropping and pursuing. Very intruiging player.
     
  27. alen1

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    As I said I'm behind and I just saw it. Holy ****.
     
  28. mroz

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    my impression from this game was that Wisconsins defense was too much for Miami's offense. DL vs.OL was horrible for the Canes.

    Liked the way Sharpton played, he played with speed and was suddenly in plays.

    I really liked the Badgers JR TE #84 (forgot his name already). I thought he ran good routes, put down some good blocks and showed good hands.
     
  29. RoninFin4

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    Alen, I'd say you're right about Bailey staying. I have no idea why this is on Youtube, as it's just an interview with Joe Roswe from WQAM, but Bailey says he's coming back.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiChPmHXSMs"]YouTube- Allen Bailey #57 | DA U | WQAM Interview with Joe Rose[/ame]
     
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  30. Frayser

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    Great stuff, guys! Loving all the talk about Graham. I like the idea of him in on unbalanced line sets.
     
  31. ckparrothead

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    Here's what I came away from last night thinking...

    When Allen Bailey comes out in 2011, it is my feeling that he'd be best played as a 3-4 DE. That is probably why he has looked so out of sorts over the course of his Miami career, because in college if you don't play in the right system and you're a 3-4 DE by nature, they can keep moving you around and there's a chance you'll still never look natural. Bailey is a brutal player. Vicious. He's not an outside pass rusher and I don't know if he's strong enough to hold up to double teams in the interior at DT. Like I said before, if it were a legal move to remove an offensive lineman's arms and then beat him to death with them, that would be Allen Bailey's signature move. He's tough and he wants to dominate the guy in front of him physically. I would love to get hold of the guy in 2011 as a DE but for now he's going back to school so we can stop worrying about him.

    Jimmy Graham will be a special player. What I'm going to talk about here is not the same old athleticism argument, though he's not just "good" in that area, I would say he's "special" in both the athleticism and skill department. You don't see a guy that tall with that good running skills, those kind of ups, and that kind of ability to spot and catch the ball with soft hands so frequently. But I promised I wouldn't talk about that. Honestly, I won't. Real soft hands. Fast. One of the best shot blockers in UM history. Not talking about that. What I'm going to talk about is something much less tangible. A year ago the guy had only played a little bit of football in high school, his most recent experience was probably playing pitch and catch with some friends at tailgates or something along those lines. He was a basketball player, and a damn fine one at that. Last night I watched him, shortly after having reviewed some film of Jermaine Gresham (you know, the Tight End that's supposed to be a dynamic rarity, sure first rounder, best in class, etc) and I'll be damned if I came away thinking that Jimmy Graham wasn't nearly as valuable to a football offense. At the beginning of the year I could watch Graham and his fellow Tight End Dedric Epps side by side, and it would be obvious that Graham is just a limited role player while Epps is the overall more valuable player. How many months has it been since then? Maybe two or three? And now you watch the two and there is absolutely no question which player is more valuable. Graham is out there drive blocking J.J. Watt out to the sideline and into the dirt on a stretch play. Watt gave the rest of Miami's offensive linemen (guys 50 pounds heavier than Graham) trouble all day. Graham was holding O'Brien Schofield at bay, on a night when Schofield was taking everyone to school big and small. He caught another one of those high passes that have the look of indefensible. He was using his hands quickly and fluidly to create separation amongst the linebackers at the second level, within the five yard area. He's not the craftiest route runner yet, and when he was motioned into the backfield and asked to block a blitz from that angle (which had to be the first time I'd ever seen him asked to do that) he struggled and whiffed, but this kind of rise is meteoric in a guy that never even played football until this year. It's the same kind of "natural" that allows Sean Smith to be a DAY ONE NFL STARTER in only his third year playing defense, period. You listen to Graham interviewed some time, and he's extremely well spoken. I heard a radio interview and they were joking semi seriously that he might join them for a radio show because he's such an effective communicator. He's a smart kid, finished his Business degree last year and has a double major in Management and Marketing. I've had a third round grade on Graham for a while, I remember discussing this with Alen a month ago...but I see that third round grade possibly heading north. It won't be the Combine that raises his draft stock, it will be the Senior Bowl. If he soaks up the coaching the way I theorize based on his upward acceleration over the last year, the coaches will watch him take to the NFL techniques and teachings, and put paid to them on the field, and they'll be salivating and lobbying their GMs for a piece of Jimmy Graham. Then he'll go to the Combine, run a 4.70 with like a 36 inch vertical, and that'll be that.

    Speaking of O'Brien Schofield, how much was that guy on display last night? He was all over the place, finding weaknesses in the protection big and small. If the scheme called for a back to block him on the outside, he beasted the back and got to Jacory Harris. If the scheme called for a weak and inexperienced guard to block him, he lined up as a 3-technique and beasted the guard to Jacory Harris. He victimized Orlando Franklin's inexperience at left tackle. He dropped back into coverage and looked damn fine doing it, very fast. But, what is he? I don't know that he's strong enough at the point to play SOLB in a 3-4, and I don't know that he's a dominant enough pass rusher to play WOLB in a 3-4. That leaves him as either a 3-4 ILB, or perhaps my feeling is a SLB in a 4-3 defense. Either way, he had to have opened some eyes last night and I wouldn't be surprised to see his name come off the board in the second round.

    As I watched Orlando Franklin, I really got the feeling that he was finally playing the position he should be playing, which is tackle. He's always been one hell of a beast at guard. As I said many moons ago, he was my #1 rated guard in the country. He moved out to left tackle and actually I forgot that I had watched him shut down George Selvie and Jason Pierre-Paul from the LT position live and in person at the UM-USF game. My apologies on that one, I'd had more than my share of beer. The fact that Schofield got the better of him a few times, speaks to Schofield's ability when you consider the above. On Franklin, he's such a natural engulfing mauler that you would love to see him kick out to Right Tackle. But if he returns to school and takes up Jason Fox's Left Tackle position, don't be surprised if he looks really good there. He's moved all along the OL in Whipple's scheme. He played Left Guard, at times they've gone unbalanced right and he became a virtual Left Tackle, with his position officially switched to Left Tackle in the last two games, he has switched over to the right side in their unbalanced right looks (a la Jake Long). His absence at the Left Guard position created a HUGE weakness, because UM couldn't fill the void he left, which really speaks to what he has provided for the offense at that position over the course of this year.

    I really believe that Sam Shields has an NFL future. That kind of speed, on a guy that has shown the ability to switch from WR to CB and be a starter in the first year he's done it...he's no Sean Smith but he's got some potential. Did you see that kick return TD? I can't get over this. The way he looped around from the front line position just inside the numbers on the right sideline at the 43 yard line, all the way back to an exchange point I believe just behind the 20 yard line, and then all the way over to the left sideline and down the field to the end zone in what turned out to be a gigantic "U" pattern (fitting)...all at a speed which outran everyone in sight...he must have run a total of 140 or 150 yards on just the one play, at a constant blazing speed. That's ridiculous. He's not great in coverage, he gets tested all the time, but he's not terrible in it either. I think with time he could be a good role player on defense or maybe even a starter.

    I've been very high on Leonard Hankerson since the first game of the season against FSU...about the same game that I fell in love with Christian Ponder. If this kid runs in the 4.4 range, I could see him all the way up into the second round. He's got such blessed size and power, and the ability to make circus grabs. He has had trouble with hands in the past before this year but he really went out and had a productive year. I like the WAY he runs, the way he looks catching the ball, everything he does to me screams NFL caliber, reminds me of just a solid football receiver like a Reggie Wayne. He's had himself a nice year considering the offense they run and the fact that Jacory Harris isn't where he needs to be yet. And the way Hankerson played last night, he's normally a good blocker but last night he played with a very high energy in blocking...I think he's coming out. He was showing off for the scouts, IMO. He knows the scouts aren't just looking for what you do when the ball comes your way, and that's how he played. He's played solid without the ball coming his way all year, but last night he really seemed to key on it.

    That's about the extent of the players I could really key on last night on a first viewing.
     
  32. alen1

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    Sam Shields runs a 4.24 forty. He and Benjamin are tied for the fastest on the team IIRC. He's struggled some this year but he's also done well. When he's out of phase with the wide receiver, meaning he's not with the receivers shoulder, he's done well reading the eyes and hands of the receiver to swat the ball. Other times, he's struggled. What I really like about Shields is that he's physical and he's got natural talent. You have to like that he played some wide receiver and you know he has decent hands. He struggled early in his career but also showed some promise. However, after constant struggles, he was moved to corner. With that said, he's probably going to blow up the combine and he'll make himself draftable late.
     
  33. alen1

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    Btw, I believe Hankerson is coming back because he got a mid round grade.
     
  34. Section126

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    In the History of me projecting players from the U to the pros...I have never had a guy fly up my chart as fast as Darryl Sharpton has.

    I had him as a after thought and probable 6th rounder at the start of the year.

    I am now convinced he goes in round 2.

    What a player...I absolutely loved Beason..did not like T. Gooden...Sharpton is not on par with Lewis or Barrow...but I DO project him in the Beason mode...and WOW would that be a find int he 2nd round.

    His strength and speed tests is the only thing that will scare GM's away...if not...once they get his film together..they will fall in love..just like me.
     
  35. sports24/7

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    Great stuff guys.

    I'm surprised to hear you say that you think Jacory Harris will be no lower than a late 1st Alen. He has had some big plays and big games, but I wonder a little bit about his arm strength and intelligence. He seems to have no sense of when to check down and when to take a shot deep. Too many times this year when a short gain was needed, he tried to force a deep pass. It happened late in the game last night on 4th down I believe where you could clearly see Collier running open underneath for the 1st and he tried to go long and missed the throw. He's also seemingly regressed as the year has gone on. I realize he's young and this was really his first year as the starter, but right now I see some major question marks.

    I love Sharpton. He's undersized and because of that probably has no chance to be a Dolphin, but I think he could very well be the next UM linebacker to find success in the NFL.
     
  36. alen1

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    Jacory has a lot to learn but remember he's only a sophomore. His arm strength is a question mark, as he tends to float balls more than lasering them in but that will improve as he will put on weight on his frame.

    I don't question his intelligence. We're talking about a guy that's famous for calling his own plays at Miami Northwestern High School. He knows what he's doing out there. He's just very confident in his arm and his receivers, guys that he's played with throughout high school. A lot of Whipple's plays have deep patterns and one underneath guy I believe. He does take shots down the field more than he should but he'll get better. He's still young and is really only a first year starter.

    The biggest question marks for me is how he handles pressure. He's very calm at times but other times, his accuracy can get erratic when the pocket is collapsing.
     
  37. sports24/7

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    The thing with his arm strength is I've seen him throw some darts from time to time, but those are very few and far between. For the most part I see him float the ball like you say and that's why I questioned it. If he puts on some more muscle that should help him.

    The intellegence thing is tricky for me, because I did know he called all his own plays you'dat Northwestern and early on he looked to be ahead of the curve mentally for a soph in his first year starting. But as the year went on he continued to make poor decision after poor decision and while you can expect some of that from a young player, at least hope that he can learn from his mistakes as the year went on, yet he seemed to get worse. You do have a point about Whipple's plays though. Since I moved, I haven't been able to go to any games this year so it's hard to tell what routes are being run, but on second replay I have noticed a lot of deep routes with little underneath. There has been a number of times though, when I have seen a man open underneath that was ignored.

    Again though, he is young and absolutely has upside that I hope as a Hurricanes fan he will realize, but the regression worried me a little bit. You know more about this stuff than I do though, so I trust your judgement. I was just a little surprised to see that kind of confidence in him.
     
  38. ckparrothead

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    To me, Jacory has a ways to go before I'm willing to plug him into the first round. Physically and mentally.

    He needs to get bigger, stronger, and stop giving up on a play by throwing it up long for a receiver who isn't really open. He needs to see the field a lot better.
     

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