I believe Baltimore has it but we did step in front of Jax. Now we're seventh in the AFC instead of eighth.
Do we need BMore to lose one or will we own the tiebreaker after a hypothetical 3 more wins against AFC opponents?
It helps. If the Dolphins win out then we need either the Ravens or Patriots to lose one game and we're in. Hopefully it's the Pats so we win the division. Actually hope its all 3! We would own the tiebreaker over the Broncos and Patriots. Broncos need to either lose 1 to Chiefs or Raiders. Losing to the eagles doesnt help as much.
Its complicated, but if we both win out it will come down to strength of schedule, which we cannot know until the season ends of course. Coming into this week our SOS was even with Baltimore, though.
If that is the case, if we both win out we would no doubt have the SOS. Ravens final 3 games: vs. Chicago, at Pittsburgh, at Oakland Dolphins final 3 games: at Tennessee, vs. Houston, vs. Pittsburgh
I'm pretty sure if the Dolphins and Ravens both win out and finish tied for the final AFC Wildcard spot, the Ravens would win that tiebreaker based on common opponents (NE, PIT, SD and IND). Bottom line, we need NE or Baltimore to trip up once in these final 3 weeks or we're SOL.
If New England wins at Buffalo: New York Jets: Must Win out AND have Patriots Lose out AND have Miami Lose once. Miami: Clinch if (Win out AND have Patriots Lose out) OR (Win out AND have N.E Lose once AND Win SoV t-b) OR (Win @Ten & vHou AND N.E Lose out AND NYJ Lose once) OR (Win vPit & 1 other game AND N.E Lose out AND NYJ Lose once AND Win SoV t-b). New England: Clinch with (Win 2/3) OR (1 Win AND 1 Mia Loss) OR (2 Mia Losses AND 1 NYJ Loss). Also see scenarios in Miami section where it goes to SoV t-b. If New England loses at Buffalo: New York Jets: Clinch if (Win out AND have N.E Lose once AND have Miami Lose once) OR (Win 2/3 AND have N.E Lose out AND have Miami Lose twice). New England: Clinch if (Win out AND Miami Lose once) OR (Win once AND Miami Lose twice AND NYJ Lose once) OR (Miami Lose out AND NYJ Lose twice). Miami: Clinch with (Win out) OR (Win 2/3 AND N.E Lose once AND NYJ Lose once) OR (Win 1/3 AND N.E Lose out AND NYJ Lose twice). Summary: If Buffalo upsets New England, then Miami just has to have as many (or more) wins as New England and New York to win the division, while New England would have to be ahead of Miami but could tie New York, and New York would have to be ahead of both. If New England triumphs at Buffalo, then the Jets are all but finished, and Miami needs to perform very well and gets lots of AFC South help.
Wrong. Jacksonville still owns the 6th wildcard spot thanks to Baltimore. We have conference record over both yall, BMore, and NYJ, and if we win 2 of the next 3 (one of which being the Browns), Jacksonville is in the playoffs more than likely. Miami is still on the outside of the 6 spots looking in along with Baltimore. It seems you forgot head-to-head is a nonfactor when 3 or more teams are tied for the wild card spot.
Jaguars do not have the 6 spot. They lost to us and we're now tied, and we own the tiebreaker. the Ravens have the 6th spot, we have the 7th, Jaguars have the 8th. At least I think? Thats how it should work.
Jaguars have the 6th spot. The head-to-head tiebreaker only applies if all 3 teams have played each other, which neither have played BMore or if it's between 2 or more. In a tie between 3 or more clubs, head-to-head doesn't apply. Conference record comes first. Jacksonville still currently holds the 6th spot.
He's right. Jacksonville does in fact own the 6th seed at the end of Week 14. Unfortunately for Jaguar fans, the regular season is 17 weeks long and their next two games involve a matchup with the undefeated Colts and a trip to Foxborough to face the Patriots. Best of luck running through that gauntlet. By the way, Dolphin fans would love to see the Jags run the table because that would give us the division, provided we take care of our own business.
Wait so if the Dolphins and Jaguars finished the season tied for the 6 seed, the Jaguars would get it even though we beat them? That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard, but whatever. The Jags have to get past the Colts.
No. The Jags may be sixth in a technical way, but they may as well be eigth, because in my opinion they hold the weakest spot. If we win out, the only possible way they can make it is if the Ravens also win out.
No, he's right. However they still have the toughest road of any of the three teams to the playoffs IMO.
In this case, the OP is working off the assumption that the Jaguars, Ravens and Dolphins all finish 10-6 tied for the final WC spot. In this case, you cannot apply the head-to-head tiebreaker because Baltimore doesn't play Miami or Jacksonville. Of course, the OP doesn't mention that in order for Jacksonville to run the table, they would have to beat NE in 2 weeks @ Foxborough, which would open the door for our divisional title hopes. At the end of the day, Jacksonville is a non-factor with regards to our playoff hopes. They're not going to keep us out (which the win today assured) provided we take care of our own business.
But I refered directly towards what you said. You said they would go with common opponents if a head to head is not available. I thought it went to conference record first and that has Baltimore ahead by a pretty large margin if they win out and we win out....
If both Miami and Baltimore run the table and end up tied at 10-6 for the final WC spot, they would not have played head to head and would both have a conference record of 8-4. Thus, the tiebreaker would be common opponents (NE, PIT, SD and IND). Baltimore is 3-2 against those opponents and Miami is 2-3. Therefore, Baltimore would win that tiebreaker.
Miami needs to be Jacksonville fans against New England and Indy fans next week. If we beat Indy, who might very well be resting their starters given their past history, you can pretty much write us in. If we beat Indy and lose to New England, Miami is ****ed in the sense that NE will probably take the division and we'll take the wild card. It's a very possible scenario in the sense that Jacksonville always plays Indy to within a touchdown. It's a division game so it can't be written off. Also, the Colts in the past have always been very smart about resting their starters when they can.
Why? It's a typical rock paper scissors. Miami has Jax in head-to-head BMore has Miami in conference and SoV Jax has BMore in conference record. Unfortunately for Miami, head-to-head doesn't mean **** in 3 way ties for wild cards.
How exactly will you be taking the WC with ANOTHER loss @ NE in 2 weeks? You'd have 7 losses at that point (i.e. a full game behind Miami, who also happens to hold a head-to-head tiebreaker over you, as well). At this point, Jacksonville is the least of Miami's problems.
If the Jags win out and Miami wins out, it will (in all likelyhood) mean that Miami won their division. It would then be New England/Baltimore/Jags in a tie. So it's really pointless. Because IMO whichever the 6th seed is, will win out. Unless New England somehow wins that tie breaker.
If Jacksonville wins out and we win out, we get the 4th seed and they play us, if they don't win out, then either Baltimore or NE has to lose and we have to win out for us to get to the playoffs. Play with this: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/playoff...=41505054&14=44114511&15=50000041&16=55141515. I love this programme that yahoo has each year. Regardless we have to win out and sling us into the playoffs.
9-7 at this point might very well get a team in the playoffs at this point. Remember Miami has both Houston who could go either way, and Tennessee, who has been very well the 2nd half of the season. If they lose either, they're right back behind Jacksonville if we lose to NE. Our final game is against Cleveland, so I like our chances. At this point, I expect Pitt and Tennessee to both play spoiler to Baltimore and Miami. You have to remember that if all teams win the same amount of games left on their schedule, Jacksonville takes the tiebreaker against both. Miami and Baltimore both have to BEAT Jacksonville. We just have to match yall.
The Jaguars are all done. Best of luck in New England though. I'd love for you guys to hand us our division on a silver platter.
They're also the only team that has the Colts left on their schedule. As I said before, best of luck with that. I don't know why you're getting defensive, either. This entire website will be pulling for you to run the table. We'd love a home playoff game during Wild Card Weekend.
actually we could use their help, if NE wins out and Baltimore wins out and we win out, we are playing golf in Jan. If Jax wins out (or at least beats NE) and we win out then we get into the playoffs because of JAx's win over NE, but we NEED someone to beat NE to make the playoffs. Their other games are Buff and then Houston to end the season, I imagine that they will those two.
No that was my point. He was saying if we won out we would be tied with the Jags for the wildcard, when in reality we would have won the division.
I'm not really defensive? I don't know what implied that either. But anyways, back to the point. While we have the Colts and Pats left on our schedule, and odds are against us, it's just as well that both the Ravens and Phins both have very potential spoilers left too. Miami has Houston - Prolly won't, but they're better than a bunch of other teams Tennessee - Very very possible. They've been on fire as of late. Pitt - Depends on if they come out as if they're going to play the Raiders or if they come out to win the game. Baltimore has Chicago - Same as Houston to Miami Pitt - In all fairness, you would think would show up to play spoiler, but as of the last 3 weeks are unpredictable Oakland - Usually I'd lol at the idea of them beating Pitt but they've so far been sweeping the rest of the North.
By the way, that wasn't what I was saying at all. I don't think any of the 3 win out to be honest. I think all 3 drop a game.
ahh yes, not reading all of the post syndrome is something I suffer on occasion Yes if we won both won out we would be going no matter what. However, all they have to do is go 1-2 and beat the Pats for all I care if we win out.
Must have read it wrong. Objectively, I think the Jags drop two, Miami drops one, and the Ravens drop one to the Steelers.
