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Proof for an Intelligent Creator and His purpose

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by andersbranderud, Oct 2, 2009.

  1. andersbranderud

    andersbranderud New Member

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    According to science our universe has a beginning (search at “age of the universe” on pnas.org) and time is purely physical. Therefore there can be no such thing as time external to the physical universe. Timespace has a beginning.

    It is a fundamental law of physics (causality) that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause.
    The fundamental laws of physics then require a cause of the universe ex nihilo (since timespace has a beginning); i.e., a Prime Cause Singularity that is non-dimensional and independent of timespace.

    To conclude the above paragraphs:
    Fact: No thing nor event in the known universe or laws of physics lacks a cause.
    Assume: There is no Prime Cause (Creator / Singularity).
    Ergo: There is no universe.
    Fact: There is a universe.
    Therefore: the statement that was assumed is proven to be a false statement by reduction ad absurdum (proof by disproof).
    (Since "There is no Creator" is proven false, the opposite is true: There is a Creator.)

    Being logically consistent (orderly), our (to say perfectly-orderly would be a tautology) orderly universe must mirror its Prime Cause / Singularity-Creator—Who must be Orderly; i.e. Perfect. An orderly—"not capricious," as Einstein put it—Creator (also implying Just), therefore, necessarily had an Intelligent Purpose in creating this universe and us within it and, being Just and Orderly, necessarily placed an explanation, a "Life's Instruction Manual," within the reach of His subjects—humankind.

    It defies the orderliness (logic / mathematics) of both the universe and Perfection of its Creator to assert that humanity was (contrary to His Tor•âh′ , see below) without any means of rapproachment until millennia after the first couple in recorded history as well as millennia after Abraham, Moses and the prophets. Therefore, the Creator's "Life's Instruction Manual" has been available to man at least since the beginning of recorded history. The only enduring document of this kind is the Tor•âh′ —which, interestingly, translates to "Instruction" (not "law" as popularly alleged). (Source and further reading of how to relate to the Creator: netzarim.co.il)

    The fact that the Creator is perfect implies that He isn’t self-contradictory. Therefore any religion, and all religions contradicts each other (otherwise they would be identical), that contradicts Torah is the antithesis to the Creator.

    (The most common counter arguments are answered at bloganders.blogspot.com/search/label/counter%20arguments)

    Anders Branderud
     
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  2. azfinfanmang

    azfinfanmang Premium Member Luxury Box

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    So, what are you trying to say exactly?
    Does this tell me the final score against the Bills this weekend?
     
  3. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    If you only consider Newtonian physics then you are right.

    If you consider a lot of the new thought especially around Quantum Physics then something can come out of nothing.
     
  4. Ohiophinphan

    Ohiophinphan Chaplain Staff Member Luxury Box

    I am a person of faith. I find "proof" in a scientific sense unecessary and unsupportable. Thanks for your efforts, but no thanks!
     
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  5. gafinfan

    gafinfan gunner Club Member

    My feelings also!

    I believe what I believe and my faith sustaines me thus I need no vendication, scientific or otherwise, but thank you.
     
  6. Celtkin

    Celtkin <B>Webmaster</b> Luxury Box

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    I am sorry, but this is the most convoluted argument that I have read in quite a while. Your idea dismisses all but a tiny fraction of what we know about time as a dimension (e.g. the ideas raised by the super string theory, and others). Even if you look at time as purely linear, your ideas still are severely lacking in substance.
     
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  7. Soundwave

    Soundwave Phins Sympathizer..

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    sounds like magic.
     
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  8. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    This guy is king. I think he has registered on every forum known to man.
     

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