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Where's the Ginn haters now?

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  1. Ducken

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    Ok I can buy that, but it just drives me nuts that some people act as if this kid has done nothing and has been dropping passes all along. I truly blame the way this offense is built as part of the reason for his inconsistency. I would think it would be very difficult for any deep threat receiver to be consistent in this offense. My reasoning, we are mostly a smash mouth team with Ricky and Ronnie, and Penny's propensity to throw short. Even on his longer throws they were not of the type that hit a receiver in stride, but the receiver had to stop or work back to the QB.

    Maybe if he was on the Colts or a team of that ilk I would be really disappointed in him. But to me considering the offense we run i really have no problem with how he has produced up until this funk he has gotten in. He made big improvements over his rookie year and I truly believe when all is said and done this year he will have improved on last year. I think the staff needs to be a little more creative in how they use him, and IMHO that would be a big boost to him.
     
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  2. mbmonk

    mbmonk I have no clue

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    Okay so there are Ginn 'haters' on the earth. Almost anyone rational blamed the Colts loss on our Defense

    But to be somewhat fair Ginn has flamed the fuel by spotty play. So it's not like the 'haters' don't have a valid bone to pick with the guy.
     
  3. femalefinfan

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    I remember plenty of threads bashing Jason Allen. I think one of the reasons why people aren't as vocal about him is that the staff have used early round picks to try to address the secondary. They haven't done that with WR yet.
     
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  4. Miguel

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    Beautiful and brains WOW what a combo
     
  5. k-bayfinfan

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    Bess had his worst day in a Dolphins uni today and nearly cost us the game but fumble machine? Easy there tiger. He is without a doubt our most consistent reciever ,though it didn't show today.

    The fumbles today and last week are a concern but I think Sparano will let him know to get it fixed or else.
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  6. Dannyg28

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    what i am objecting to is for Ginn, he really is in a practically no win situation, if he does well, hes expected to but if hes does badly the wraith of god is put down upon by the fan base, while Bess, who had a bad game today, and isnt producing much either, isnt going to get multiple threads made for how badly hes done. Ginn does.
     
  7. Miguel

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    Well at least Now Jason Allen is a Stud ON ST he is still a bust though
     
  8. 2socks

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    show me a game where they haven't been???????
     
  9. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    what have Evans and TO done this year?
     
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  10. mbmonk

    mbmonk I have no clue

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    But that is the way of life in the NFL. Drafted high = high pay and high expectations. The salary cap and the limited number of draft picks a team possesses have a lot to do with it.

    I get your point honestly. But Bess was an undrafted free agent. You know he is making way less than Ginn. Production/Pay ratio Bess wins hands down. I bet it isn't even close.
     
  11. 2socks

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    Maybe it's that rocket arm Henne has.

    Pennington called it a thrower and a slinger. A thrower has finesse....Pennington strives to be a thrower, some would call the throws "noodle throws", but they are easy to catch.

    Sometimes a "Slinger" has to know when to tone it down a notch. As Henne progresses we will see less dropped balls.
     
  12. Miguel

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    ok point taken But what About Dirty Boy and Brady

    Or manning and clark and wayne....

    Or kurt warner and boldin and fitzgerald

    My point is We are Deseperate for WRs
     
  13. 2socks

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    Difference in the style of the thrower:up:
     
  14. jetssuck

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    The Ginn apologists get just as carried away as the haters do, anytime Ginn does something. Which is ok, because it doesn't happen often....because if it did, neither group would exist.

    Just sayin...
     
  15. Frumundah Finnatic

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    Agreed we need a very good WR, could Ginn thrive in a complimentary role? possibly.
     
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  16. texanphinatic

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    I continue to think that Ginn is best used as a returner and a 3-4 option as WR. If we can pick up a #1 type (Boldin, Vincent Jackson, Antonio Bryant, Dez Bryant draftee) we can use use Cam/Hartline as the possession guys and just bring in Ginn in certain situations to take deep shots or draw off the safety.

    I dont trust him as WR. He drops balls and doesnt seem to have the awareness or ability to make plays after the catch unless hes going forward.

    But god those returns were a breath of fresh air. The interesting thing is how much we would be willing to pay a KR when contract time comes due. Hes not worth #9 money and likely will never be.
     
  17. 2socks

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    No but it is only fair to Let Hartline have a few games. Giving him only one game and calling the argument dead isn't fair to Hartline; Not even close. If Ginn got 38 then a few more Hartline's way won't hurt.

    Ginn did have a hell of a game on special teams:up::up::up:
     
  18. 2socks

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    If everyone would please remember he was also pulled from kicks because he never did anything. He averaged 22 on kickoff's and 9 on punts. Hardly Pro bowl material.

    One big day does not mean we have found our savior......oh how quickly people forget
     
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  19. jdang307

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    "Where's the Ginn haters now? "
    Secretly hoping Ginn messes up next week because they don't realize a big day by Ginn is better than a big day out of anyone else (with this speed).
     
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  20. resnor

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    I still don't understand how you can say this with a straight face. We had one of the worst ST unit, and you blame Ginn for the lack of production? HOW MANY DID HE HAVE CALLED BACK because of boneheaded penalties that took place way away from where Ginn was? Also, proof that he was pulled for lack of production, and not because they were trying to focus him more on receiving?
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  21. like2god

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    It's different though, Ginn's first two years and first couple of games this season were with QB's who couldn't take advantage of his skill set even on their best day, that's not something to overlook. Ginn is starting over on this team with Henne out there, yet folks dismiss the fact that he was misused for so long because it's easier to just bash the player.
     
  22. like2god

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    Not true at all, he was removed from return duties because the coaching staff wanted him to focus on WR. Sparano himself said that he wanted Ginn to "play faster" and lightening his load was part of that.

    Also don't forget that our ST's blocking has been horrendous for years, it would be hard for anybody to look good out there, yet Ginn has returned the ball for a TD quite a few times, some of them being called back due to dumb penalties.
     
  23. finserg

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    Your the funniest thing, 2 kick returns and now you thing he is our number 1 wr :tongue2::tongue2: i knew this was coming
    he did good but he must be replaced sorry.
     
  24. muscle979

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    I don't think this changes what Ginn is at receiver but I definitely think it earns him some more snaps in next week's game. Maybe he'll be able to redeem himself on offense as well.
     
  25. jetssuck

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    Actually we're secretly hoping you guys find a new hobby.... :shifty:
     
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  26. finserg

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    I sure hope your joking ,he did great today but what has he done for us since he has been signed, :no:


    finally did something to earn his pay check :hi5:
     
  27. finserg

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    Agree 100%
     
  28. BuckeyeKing

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    I love this quote from Porter.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/5507/ginn-provides-dolphins-many-happy-returns
     
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  29. finserg

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    So now he is are true number one WR right ? :tongue2::tongue2: please what has he done for us latley
     
  30. BuckeyeKing

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    All I have to say is what if Ginn was back there returning kicks the whole time?
     
  31. finserg

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    Thats what he did before,lets keep him there as he has done nothing as a Wr before.
     
  32. keypusher

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    I owe Ginn an apology, because I criticized him specifically as a returner. People who criticized him as a receiver have nothing to apologize for after today's game, though.

    The idea that his poor performance as a receiver is Pennington's or Lemon's fault for not having better arms is silly, BTW. No receiver gets to catch long bombs all the time, or even close to all the time. Even the best are lucky to see one long ball a game. So far he was the beneficiary of one picture perfect long TD pass this year and he had one last year (against the Seahawks, I think). You have to be able to run all the routes and make all the catches.
     
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  33. like2god

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    When Ginn is being sent on long routes and Pennington isn't looking in his direction because he doesn't feel comfortable throwing that distance, what else is there to surmise? Ginn is there to stretch the field and he needs a QB that can hit him in stride, put zip on the ball and put it in his hands so he can make plays after the catch, Pennington couldn't do that. Henne is making throws that Pennington can only dream of, Henne puts a little mustard on those throws and he can take advantage of Ginn's skill set better than any other QB Ginn has played with. It's not just about the longball, it's also about getting the ball in the hands of the WR faster.

    Just like when we said that Ronnie was being misused early in his career and was the victim of a poor OL, so is Ginn when it comes to the QB's that he played with in his first 2 years in the league.
     
  34. keypusher

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    If Ginn's "skill set" is running fly patterns and nothing more, might as well forget the WR idea and just have him run back kicks.
     
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  35. Firesole

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    exactly. And this is what the Ginn supporters are missing out on. This guy is not executing at the WR position because he is still learning how to play it. His route running and catching skills have been called into question by professionals who have played the position, and rightfully so. Hopefully he will take it all in and strive to get better at it.
     
  36. jetssuck

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    Ginn being "mis-used" has absolutely nothing to do with the areas in which he's lacking.....and just plain poor.

    You act like what you are saying just explains all his problems away and that's just not the case.

    He's a threat over the top and as a return man.....other than that he's a very limited receiver
     
  37. Frumundah Finnatic

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    From that same article:

    Finally someone in the media noticed!
     
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  38. adamprez2003

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    Ginn stretches the field. I dont understand why this important fact is lost on people. The passing game and running game both benfit from that. I donyt think its a surprise that our offense suffered with the lesser playing tiime Ginn had this game. A possession receiver is not a legitimate substitution for a speed receiver. The 25th best speed recceiver is worth more than the best possession receiver. This argument is nuts IMO. I'm not even that crazy about Ginn and I like Hartline alot but the trashing of Ginn and wanting to replace him with Hartline is just fan overreaction IMO. If the argument was do we draft Dez Bryant next year thats a legitimate argfument but to want to bench Ginn is insane. And alot of people were advocating not just benching Ginn but cutting him
     
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  39. jetssuck

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    You act like we've never seen the box stacked with Ginn in the line up and that's just not true....

    Also, you're ignoring that Hartline got behind the defense himself today and ran a good enough route to be open.....doesn't THAT stretch the defense?

    A "lot" of ppl weren't saying "cut" him......that was pretty much a handful of pissed off ppl is all.
     
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  40. adamprez2003

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    Ginn is a much better WR then Hartline. I guarantee you if you offered both up for trade, Ginn would command more than Hartline. Hartline is more polished, probably has a better work ethic but Ginn has speed and whether its fair or not speed kills and speed makes Ginn more valuable and more dangerous
     

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