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We have the worst safeties in the nfl

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  1. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    Dustin Keller is overrated, IMO. Not in Gonzalez, Clark, Gates, or Shockey's league... but that's just my opinion I guess.
     
  2. DePhinistr8

    DePhinistr8 Season Ticket Holder

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    Not every safety can be Ed Reed or Troy Palamamalalaljadoasudlakjalu

    Gibril probably had his best game of the year, overall.

    I still think that a good deal of our aggravation towards our safety play is due to lack of adequate QB pressure. First half, we brought the kitchen sink at Brees, and our DB's never looked better. The 2nd half, we layed off and we were picked apart. No coincidence there.
     
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  3. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    I really hope you guys don't think Clemons would essentially make this defense one of the worst in the league.

    Gibril Wilson is one of our best run defenders. Without him we would be giving up a lot more points than we are.
     
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  4. krypto

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    That statement right there shows me you dont know about the mechanics of football, you just watch it on Sundays. Weight has nothing to do with a good tackler because they tackle low at their legs, and Wilson has him stoped and wrapped him up by the legs, but couldnt bring him down. Notice even punter/kickers can make tackles on great players to prevent touchdowns? why? because they go low for the runners legs, they dont play patty cake for 20+ yards like your Gibril Wilson.
     
  5. DePhinistr8

    DePhinistr8 Season Ticket Holder

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    Whoa there chief...Boomer has been quite the respected poster since long before the old site/new site days...the man knows his football inside and out.

    It's cool to have different opinions, but that "you just watch it on Sundays" couldn't be more incorrect.

    Fact is, Shockey did a damn fine job with his off arm of keeping Gibril from going at his legs. If Gibril would've dove at him while Shockey was playing "patty cake" with him he wouldn't have even slowed Jeremy down.
    I'm not the biggest Girbril Wilson fan in the world, but as far as that play goes it's hard to find fault in how he handled it.
     
  6. krypto

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    So why after 20 yards Wilson finally decided to do it and it brought Shockey down? Read his statement again, his argument for Wilson not bringing down Reggie Bush was because Bush weighs 51lbs more than Wilson. Maybe he does know his football but that was just a poor argument. To be honest, because someones posts 1000's of times on a forum doesnt merit football knowledge, its just means he a online warrior. Now if he put on the pads and played some ball like I did, i will gladly eat my words.
     
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  7. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    the safety position has talent
    has to settle & define itself
    just a matter of time
    wouldn't sell Wilson short
    or ignore Clemons obvious talent
    Culver is solid & Bell is set

    everything requires time
     
  8. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Wilson waited 20 yds, because he had help coming. If he tries to do that initially, and misses, its 6 points.
     
  9. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Can someone who has the knowledge and ability please post the video of the play in question in this thread?
     
  10. k-bayfinfan

    k-bayfinfan Bikini Inspector

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    In retrospect your right. I think the defensive play call sucked on the third and whatever play it was. No blitz, no pressure on the qb, reggie bush releases into the flat, he made a great attempt to get to the bush, 5 yards behind the yard marker the way I remember it. 1 yard from the sideline. If he just uses basic fundemental techniques he makes that tackle.

    I'm not saying you don't know anything, you but your way out of line sayIng 90% of people on this board don't anything about football. How many snaps of organized tackle football have you played, bud?

    Maybe if I didn't have a life like you I could sit in front of a CPU all day and all night reading stats and reasearching players so I can impress everyone how much i know about American football I would, but sorry dude I have a life so I'd probably lose to you in that so I respectfully decline your offer for a chat and some tea.
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  11. SICK

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    well then i dont believe we can file our defense as being "torched by tightends" when those TE's are the best in the league. if thats the case.....then every defense in the league has that issue.
     
  12. Vendigo

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    I'm pretty sure Boomer was referring to the Jeremy Shockey play and not the Reggie Bush one. And yes, weight has got a lot to do with tackling, especially when the other guy weights 50 pounds more than you and had the chance to pick up speed. Going aggressively for the legs there as the last DB able to prevent a TD is silly. You slow him down, take the additional yardage and make damn sure you don't allow the TD. Being aggressive against a guy that outweights you by 50lbs and is coming full speed just begs for a broken tackle and 6 points.

    Remind me again which team uses a 260lbs return man :wink2:
     
  13. SICK

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    i dont buy the whole weight/tackling issue.......its all about speed, and technique.

    perfect example is bob sanders. dude lays the wood.....and hes tiny.

    i was a 6' 225 linebacker.....and the hardest hitter on my team. multiple times i smashed facemasks of pulling 290+ pounds guards and tackles....

    low man wins. more aggressive man wins. not the biggest when it comes to tackling
     
  14. krypto

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    i am going to respectfully ask, have you ever played organized football, pads and all? I played 4 years on the varsity team and tried out in college for 2 years but admit, i didnt make the team but i KNOW if a player knows the fundamentals of tackling, like an NFL player SHOULD, size does not matter.
     
  15. Vendigo

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    It's always about the specific situation. Size does matter in some, not so much in others. I think that in this specific situation, size did matter - if a 260lbs guy comes at you full speed (and he's already broken a tackle if I remember correctly) while you're stationary, then yes, size matters. It's not a question of how much football you or I played, it's simply physics. Get the angle only a little wrong, get a bit too high or too low and that 260lbs guy at full speed runs right over you and scores 6. Yes, ideally the defender would make the perfect tackle but in reality, few tackles are perfect. This was a bad spot for an aggressive tackle in this specific situation.
     
  16. SeanP

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    I dunno. You watch that play and Shockey had Wilson's number all day long. He saw him coming, and I honestly think Wilson did the best thing he could in that instance. Wilson had to close in from the side if I recall, and was not in a position where he could make a diving shot at the legs from how he was coming at him, and hit him hard enough to cause him to go down for sure.

    Yes, Wilson dragged ran with him about 20 yards, but he slowed him down in the process enough to get into a better position to make that low tackle.

    Maybe my memory is off though, who knows. I was all in all impressed for the most part that Gibril stepped it up. Sure there were a few plays he slacked off in in the second half, but he was absolutely on top of his game in the first half. But that play by Shockey was not one of them. Maybe he could have gone for the legs a little bit earlier than he did, but if he goes too early I see that tackle being very similar to the tackle Davis made on that return back. If Davis' hands shift an inch or two that tackle is whiffed and 6 points. So Wilson chose the safe route, and got up in Shockey's face, slowed him down until he was in a good enough position to hit him and take him down.
     
  17. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    It was more than just one play that Wilson looked bad on..........did he have a good game other than the times he looked terrible.......yeah. So what? Doesn't change the fact we need an upgrade at the position.

    As far as the poster you're defending, I don't care how much time he's spent on the internet learning to be an online "expert"......his tone and the way he stomps around as the last word on the subject is just unacceptable behavior......in society period. Same guy that told me I would have known Ted Ginn was a top ten talent if I "actually knew the game".......so color me just not impressed with him. The fact is, the internet is loaded with self styled "experts"......he's another
     
  18. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    since we are gonna drop our pants and measure.....

    I played monster (SS) in highschool..and I hit a ton....was as crazy as they come at 5'-9" 190 lbs....

    have YOU ever been caught in the open field with a guy that outweighed you by 50 pounds?

    You try to grab something...anything you can...

    if you go for a kill shot...you most likely bounce off and he scores.

    Gibril got stiff armed. He prevented a TD on a play that shoudl have been a TD. think about it.

    Shockey in the open field with a head of steam and a guy that weighs 50 pounds less is in front of him.

    Did he score?
     
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  19. Stringer Bell

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    Exactly!

    There is a reason why Wilson is a safety, and not a LB.
     
  20. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    Then why are you here, Boomer?

    To grace all of us underlings with your presence? Or just to feed that ridiculous ego of yours?

    As far this forum goes, I like it here because of the posters.....I have a good time with them, they're good ppl. They don't always have to be right nor do they have to spend years studying a game on the INTERNET and be a self styled expert to get my respect. They get my respect from how they treat others. An area in which you fail badly......so yeah, I'll hang out here on the main and "lap it up".

    You forget, I been around too pal, in fact I remember when you used to be a huge Jay Fiedler/ Wanny fan, spewing the same crap about how no one knows anything about the game if they disagree with you. Same goes for the Ginn argument......you've accused ppl of not knowing the game because they didn't believe he was a top ten talent, and how's that going these days? You couldn't get a 4th round pick for him right now and here you are telling us he was worth #9 over all.

    Before you can be arrogant and rude........which you very much are, I would think that your track record should be a little better.

    Even if you were an actual expert.....you're behavior and condescension to others is as rude as anyone I've ever seen on the internet.
     
  21. NYFinFan

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    His Rookie season he had 56 tackles in 8 games. He then proceeded to have 112 tackles in 16 games, 100 tackles in 15 games, 92 tackles in 13 games and 129 tackles last season. Those are not the numbers one puts up when they suck at tackling. He has had a bad season but he's playing Free Safety with different responsibilities. Yes he has missed tackles this season and has played pretty bad, but the Saints were not a bad game from him.
     
  22. jetssuck

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    "Comparatively" speaking, no.....and I'll admit he did make some good plays.

    The Shockey play is not a surprise, nor his fault. It was Davis that whiffed the tackle on that play by going at him high.

    Doesn't change the fact we need an upgrade at his position and to demote him to back up Safety.
     
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  23. CashInFist

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    LOL...this is coming from the same guy that said Ted Ginn had a great game against the Colts?

    I have been reading your lame ****ing posts on numerous message boards for years.

    Your mock drafts suck. Your in-depth analysis of college draft prospects is off-target probably 90% of the time. And you have very little knowledge of the NFL.

    How on earth do you consider yourself an expert on anything?

    I'll admit I didn't have a good enough seat at Buffalo Wild Wings to see how G. Wilson played for the entire 4 quarters. But this sounds exactly like you getting all whiny when we were saying that Ted Ginn sucked balls.

    Get over yourself already. Because 90% of us on this message board learned to not listen to a word that you type years ago.
     
  24. NYFinFan

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    I do agree that we need to have a coverage safety back there. A true Free safety. Having two Strong Safeties playing and trying to cover is just a problem. I would like to see Gibril in some type of a Rotation or something, not just completely relegated to backup.
     
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  25. wpgfishfan

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    Wilson had a decent game and is getting ripped for the Shockey play that some of us believe was the right thing to do.

    He goes in hard and misses like he did with Dallas Clark then its a TD

    If our D would have stepped up and prevented a TD we would be talking about that play like the Vontae Davis play on the kickoff return
     
  26. cdz12250

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    What's with all the ad hominem crap? On both sides? Are we going to deteriorate into arguing about who knows more about football than the other poster? If someone's missing insight into the fundamentals, or X's and O's, or the NFL in general or what have you, let's not pull rank; let's explain it. Discuss it. Analyze it. That way we all get to understand what is really going on and we grow together, as a group. Isn't that how football itself is played?
     
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  27. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    When someone goes as far as Boomer does and labels 90% of the forum's posters as "stupid"......and acts as tho just being here is beneath him and his superior knowledge.....then he puts himself in the position to ridiculed.

    It's unfortunate to have these arguments on the forum but how much of that crap are ppl supposed to just sit back and take?
     
  28. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Too many *******s in one thread.

    And I apologize to the forum for not getting to it sooner. Should have stopped it pages ago.

    I don't care how much football you know or you don't know, there is NO EXCUSE for this crap.

    Act like a ****ing adult or leave. It's that simple.
     
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