Does anybody still think Ginn over Quinn was a bad idea?

no.

but i still think ginn over patrick willis (who i wanted the entire time) or darelle revis was/is a bad idea.

 

can we just get over it now? I mean for how many years are we going to have to see this post (every week)?

 

dont open the the thread

 

I am happy with Ginn and where he is with his career, I think he is a valuable weapon for us. All this talk about who we could have taken is irrelevant. I am glad we didn't take Quinn, he would have ended up ruined as a Dolphin just like Beck.

 

cant put my dumb answer in it if I don't open it now can I....

 

haha well done bro touche

 

I'm still waiting for someone to call out Mel Kiper on this one.

 

Ginn has yet to live up to a 1st round potential, its been more like a late 2nd rounder. Still, not one day since its happened have i been upset that we picked ginn over brady. We made the right pick.

 

I was going to say:
I NEVER said Ginn over Quinn was a bad choice, Ginn over Pat Willis was a TERRIBLE pick

Okay, and either Griddles or Pete will be in to bash me in....5....4....3

 

Given the situation though, we still had Thomas who 'looked' like he had 2 more years left and crowder who 'looked' promising. I can understand why we didn't go for willis. Obviously in hind sight we look like idiots but so does everyone else who didn't take willis.

hey. at least we didn't take jamal anderson.

 

Lies ! All Lies !

 

Well, to be fair to Kiper, there are 31 other picks in the draft that did not splash down quite as spectacularly, and Qb's are odd, they can blossom later in their careers if given a chance.

 

Ahhh, its my bright moment though.
I pimped willis like I was his agent on FH
I then went on to equally pimp Glenn Dorsey the LSU horsey.....and swore up and down Matt Ryan would be a bust.....we all know how that is turning out

 

Bashing the pick, isn't bashing Ginn.......he didn't pick himself. I've had plenty un-complimentary things to say about him, but where he was drafted falls on the idiots that used a top ten pick on a return man, wr prospect.

Unless you have a loaded, reigning SB champion team, I can't ever see a situation where it's ok to use a first or second round pick on a situational player. Even a third is really borderline, IMO.

Those guys deserve the Spielman award for drafting.

 

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Well anyone could say that Willis over Ginn is the right choice now... Who's to say that if Willis was in Miami and Ginn was in San Francisco, that their careers would have turned out the same?

For all we know Willis could have sucked in Miami, Ginn would be OK in Miami, and Quinn could be a hall of famer in Miami...

We could play the "what if" game all day, but the fact is... Different players will shine in different situations... For example, I doubt Tom Brady would be what he is today if he was on a different team... he just got a chance at the right time with the right team.

And you started the countdown, figured I may as well respond

 

as an lsu fan, all i can say is that knee injury ruined him in college.

But you were right about. I remember thinking he'd be the smartest pick, but not the one we'll make.

 

I think you got 1 out of 3 on that..

Ginn would be "OK" pretty much anywhere, a little better or a little worse at the most.

Quinn might be better if he walked into a situation like some of the more recent rookie QB's have flourished in, where he's not the savior on a team with little talent. But doubtful HOF'er.....he was a decent QB prospect in a weak draft for QB's.

But Willis? This guy could make the pro bowl on an expansion team. He was bad *** from day one..

 

Excellent point. One I've made on many an occasion while talking about players drafted to different teams. Matter of fact, I questioned whether Quinn would've done well had we pulled the trigger and he landed in Miami. Or, would've all the distractions of South Beach prevented him from focusing on playing football?

On a side note...wonder how ol' Tommy Boy would've done in, oh, I don't know...say Cleveland maybe? Or, how 'bout Oakland?

 

You see, that's just a bold statement to me. I think hindsight will tell us Willis is easily the better selection than Ginn and Quinn. However to say a player would have been successful no matter where he would go? I think he would have been really good, but I'm basically just trying to say that playing this "what if" game is stupid.

 

Well, I never said drafting Ginn was a good idea either

 

I'm sure you didn't.I just wanted to start the bashing.

 

What are you talking about? What a completely rediculous thing to say.
Have you actually ever seen Willis play?

I imagine that Barry Sanders or Walter Payton on bad teams wouldn't have been very good either....oh wait, they were both on TERRIBLE teams

 

Now hold ya Willis lovers, keep in mind what the situation was when Cameron was hired, we had a top ranked defense in 06, we had Zach Thomas coming off of a pro bowl season, we needed offense (or so it could be concluded at the time) not a MLB who would not be expected to play.

Cam and Mueller watched the Wannyphins collapse as their evaluations were simply not realistic especially on Lorenzo Booker and Mauia, but they were not behaving illogically.

There were also more than a few people who wanted Okoye.

 

lmfao nice knee slapper griddles

 

All that being said, if you have a top ranked offense, and Ricky in the backfield and AP falls to your spot, do you pull the plug?

Just sayin.

 

should of took some one else besides those two

 

Sure, especially when Ricky was going through his stoner stage.

Two back offenses are not unheard of AZ, two MLB defenses in the 4-3 are...

 

I think Willis is the best linebacker in the league, but I'm just saying... Randy Moss was simply unstoppable in Minnesota.. But in Oakland? Not so much. Success on team X doesn't equate success on team Y. It's ignorant to think that a player would be the same in every situation, no matter how talented they are.

I really don't care if people didn't want Ginn... if they wanted someone else over him... but I think we need to get past that we could have had Drew Brees... Anquan Boldin... Patrick Willis... The list goes on and on.

 

willis learning under zach thomas = insane

 

It's very possible that it would have really benefited us... but you're basically saying it's a fact, not a high possibility... It's not a fact.

Would Willis have done well in Miami? Very likely. But will we know? Never, so we have no reason to sound so "matter of fact" when saying it.

 

Maybe, but keep in mind Cameron and Mueller had told Wayne H we were a playoff caliber team, they really thought Ginn would be a Weapon X type of offensive player that would take the O to the next level.

I'm not saying they were right, in fact Okoye would have made more sense the truth be told, everyone outside of Roth on the Dline was well over 30 we could have used a youth infusion...

But instead, the normally smart Dom Capers stuck Joey Porter as a strongside defensive end..this with JP coming off of knee issues...not so good.

 

Pretty much my thoughts, and Zach was pretty much done at that point anyways.

 

Very interesting you bring up knee problems to solidify your point.

Ginn was as Gimpy as could be when we drasted him

 

He could have went the route of Yatil Green in Miami. In which case he wouldn't have been dominant here. Agreed, it is very likely he would've been very good here, but not 100%.

It is probably agreed that our defense is better than SF's, so some could (not that I am) say that Willis only looks so good because the rest of the defense looks so bad. He might seem a lot like Crowder (from a sheer numbers standpoint) if he played here.

 

Well...not really Az, Ginn was coming off of a fairly serious Liz Francs sprain of his foot, but to his credit he still ran a 40 on it during OSU's pro day.

He did not violate cardinal rule #1 of drafting players, never take a guy who cannot run a 40.

 

Obviously I didn't ever want Ginn, he might make me reverse that.
Back to the OP, I am indeed VERY thankfull we didn't pick Quinn over Ginn
What's even better, the Brown-stripes actually gave up extra draft picks to get him

 

On draft day I posted that Quinn would bust and that I wanted Patrick Willis but Ginn was needed more than ILB. We had zero speed at WR then. It was a draft pick out of necessity. It made sense to me then and its going to pay dividends now that we have Henne

 

Although Zach was coming off a Pro Bowl season, he was not the same Zach in '06 as in years past. He was much slower and missed more tackles than I remembered him ever missing. Channing Crowder was not so impressive, and I knew then we needed to draft another stud ILB/MLB to take the reigns from Zach. Was I biased in wanting Willis because I was a student at Ole Miss? Of course, but unless you were a fan of the SEC, NOBODY really knew about Willis. He was overshadowed by bigger names like Laurinitis and Posluszny.

Knowing about Patrick and what he has gone through, I, personally, had no doubt he would do well in the NFL. I actually thought Miami would be a great fit because he could have learned from one of the most cerebral LBers in the game. And saying he would not do well on a bad team.....well, he did play for a very bad Ole Miss team, and flourished! If I had one good thing to say about Ed Orgeron, I would say he had an eye for talent. He just did not know how to coach.

Anyway, Willis is one of those special players who has that "it" factor. He worked hard and stayed humble. He did not holdout. He is a stand-up guy. I watched the guy for 3 years and I just knew. There are always guys coming out being lauded as the next big thing. Willis was not one of those guys, and yet he is.....