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Dolphins' Ted Ginn laments missed chances against Indianapolis

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by BuckeyeKing, Sep 24, 2009.

  1. Dannyg28

    Dannyg28 Say hi to the rings

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    so you suggest we kneejerk to an absurd extent and substitute a receiver comign off a 100 yard game with a rookie because you figure, meh, we arent going to complete the ball deep anyway?
     
  2. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    Not sure that particular drive is one to brag about concerning Ginn.....
     
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  3. Dannyg28

    Dannyg28 Say hi to the rings

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    im not bragging, im saying its ridiculous to suggest BENCHING him for not catching that last ball when he was the only receiver who showed up on that drive.

    If you want to try and get a super star elite #1 receiver( of which there are only a handful of by the way) to replace Ginn with, im not gonna argue that, if you want to replace him with Brian ****ing Hartline, im gonna point out the complete ridiculousness of it.
     
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  4. finserg

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    cause it was a good pass
     
  5. Dannyg28

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    it was high and late, it was catchable, but catchable doesnt mean good by any stretch.
     
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  6. Ozzy

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    Ginn is taking what the defenses give him most of the time though. They set up a soft zone in front of the safties so he has two choices. One to keep going and two, he turns the route into a button and takes the yardage given to him. I'm also suspecting that the coaches tell him to curl into those soft zones when they're that open.

    Ginn is not built to take on defenders. He is built to either run by them or get out of bounds and or get to the ground when he knows he's about to get smacked. I'd much rather he last the season than take on the next mack truck and be out for it.

    His routes have improved alot, but he'll most likely never be an elite NFL Wr. The most he seems to be destined for is being a very good compliment to a true number one at best. I'm fine with that. He will surely get chances to redeem himself in the clutch but I LIKE his attitude, and I'll take those 11 catches and be very happy with it because he kept the team in the game. BUT I would rather they go to a Wr like Bess in the desperate clutch situations like those. Bess runs the best routes on the team and fights for the ball with anyone.

    Your assesment of Tedd Ginn being no good is wrong IMO. The correct words would be he was not good enough to be picked where he was. He is what he is but he's improved and contributing. I herd him interviewed after the game and he took the blame totally. What else could he do because it was obvious but he did and he said it's behind him. THAT is what I hope because it could end up haunting him the next time as well if he keeps dwelling on it.
     
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  7. unluckyluciano

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    I don't know about him only being a number two.If you look at it since the beginning. He cam in after an injury, the knock on him was he wasn't a true wr and was injured. He moved past it. Year two the complaints were he wasn't doing much, and was a bad route runner. He's improved that this year, from what to me is somewhat shocking. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy just kept getting better.
     
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  8. 2k5

    2k5 I miss Ted Ginn Jr.

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    I don't want to read this thread, I've read enough of the Ginn debate but I just came across an interesting stat.

    Ginn is tied for second in the league for first down catches with 10.
     
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  9. Ozzy

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    Teams are not stacking 9 in the box that much though. A lot of the times they're backing straight out of it and into a 4 man zone. Indy showed a lot of 9 men in the box because they just could not stop the run. Henning should have went deep more no matter what the outcome. I wish they would activate Henne and use him more in the wildcat SOMEHOW. He could instantly stretch the field and if on target get them a quick score while there at it.

    I would not just bench Ginn. They could give a few more plays to one of the other Wr's but Ginn needs to be out there as much as the rest of them.

    Now if one of the others starts playing so well that it keeps Ginn sidelined most of the time so be it and it is worth looking into but Ginn's quick strike capabilities need to be explored to see if it will ever click....
     
  10. Dannyg28

    Dannyg28 Say hi to the rings

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    shut up. he sucks. hes garbage. he needs to be replaced by brian hartline.
     
  11. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    thats why no one likes you danny :tongue2:
     
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  12. Dannyg28

    Dannyg28 Say hi to the rings

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    lol, i wasnt aware i was well known enough to be disliked.
     
  13. Ozzy

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    Totally understandable. Thats why is said most likely never but the man is working his *** off and getting better for sure. IF he can gain some confidence the sky is the limit but for now he's going to have to improve off of the anger of helping cost the team a win....I'm all for that too.
     
  14. NaboCane

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    Here's a clue: ALL of the scenarios in which a player comes through in the clutch are instances in which they performed extraordinarily under pressure - TO WIN.

    In contrast: there are divots in the Landshark Stadium end zones from the game-winning balls that Ted Ginn dropped - IN THE CLUTCH.
     
  15. NaboCane

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    Ooo, a stat.

    Stats are the flowers you pick along the journey.

    The destination is WINNING.

    We are 0-2.
     
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  16. unluckyluciano

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    :up:
     
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  17. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    Yeah well him being no good is taking it a bit far....he is what he is, a number 2 WR.

    And I understand your points concerning his route design and him taking too many hits with his build.

    However, Ginn takes it too far. NEVER in my life have I seen a player THAT scared to get hit, especially a guy that made his draft status as a KR. And there are times when his instinct to avoid contact causes him to not take advantage of what's being given. It's not like there's a defender waiting to take his head off every time he makes a catch.

    I'll tell you this tho, the way he plays will cost him and us TD's.

    It's not like I want him on the bench.....he has value to this team. I just want the FO to realize that we still lack a WR that's a real scoring threat. A WR that makes defenses nervous in the red zone.
     
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  18. jdang307

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    There is a divot about 15 feet long that is the trail Chad Pennington left when he was hopping, skipping and running to get enough velocity to launch his errant pass. :pointlol:


    EDIT:Damn lucky beat me to it. But I leave mine for the dig at Chad. :D
     
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  19. NaboCane

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    How can a pass that hits the Receiver square in the hands be, by any definition, errant?
     
  20. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    There was a reverse against the Raiders where he broke like 4 tackles... was he playing scared there?

    I think it depends on the circumstance... when I hear the media harping on him "going out of bound before the 1st down marker" I can tell you that I guarantee you he should have been spotted the first down. They spotted that ball about a yard and half off from where it should have been spotted.

    I also think he'll go down if he realizes he won't be able to get through 4 players looking to tackle him. I'd rather him stay healthy the entire year than try to gain an extra yard by taking big hits over the middle. NO ONE wants to take a hit over the middle... the logic of that is just insane.
     
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  21. NaboCane

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    :lol: Right...because Ted Ginn SO reminds me of clutch players like Michael Jordan.

    26 misses in the clutch...6 championships.

    I'll take those numbers.

    Ted Ginn:
    :sidelol: Ginn Lite: fewer opportunities, more ****-ups.
     
  22. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    I'd never blame Chadley Checkdown for throwing a great pass.....however, that ball was very catch-able.

    Wrong guy to be throwing a jump ball to tho.....
     
  23. unluckyluciano

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    right because im sure jordan made every shot before he became clutch.
    You missed the forest for a bush.
     
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  24. NaboCane

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    I like mine trimmed, thank you.
     
  25. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    landing strip?
     
  26. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    It was a reminder that even the most clutch players fail. It wasn't a direct comparison of Ginn and Jordan's "clutchness" so to speak. Ginn has made some pretty clutch catches in the past (the deep bomb in the endzone in double coverage, week 17 vs. the Jets, etc)... but people have a day to day memory so suddenly that is forgotten.
     
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  27. unluckyluciano

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    only because you are tired of getting crabs :tongue2:
     
  28. NaboCane

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    :lol: I think it's funny how the Ginn spinners will desperately try to pin the blame for Ginn's two dropped TDs on Pennington, beacuse Pennington has a weak arm.

    NEVER MIND that one pass was squarely in Ginn's two-by-fours, and the other was perfectly placed where only he could catch it - assuming he had any idea where he was on the field, OR HAD BOTHERED TO EXTEND HIS ARMS.

    Pennington puts two passes in perfect position, where only his Receiver can catch them - not the DBs - and he's going to be the goat for Ginn's prissy efforts?

    [​IMG]

    No, Ginn won this fair and square. It's his.

    Let him bask in its glory.
     
  29. bbqpitlover

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    Ted Ginn lacks concentration plan and simple. It took him 3 years in the Nfl to learn to run basic routes so how many years will it take him to learn concentration ? In this article Ginn admitted to two things. !. He should have caught the ball. 2.He was distracted by the defender covering him. It was in practice last week when ginn dropped a pass and the coach screamed out concentrate on what the hell you are doing! This guy lacks concentration discipline and maturity and we need to find a true number one receiver.
     
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  30. Nappy Roots

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    it takes many WRs years to learn how to run routes effectively in the NFL, so that question makes no sense.
     
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  31. NaboCane

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    Spot on.

    We waited years for Chambers to develop the focus to match his talent, and we wasted those years (and roster spots) when we could have been grooming young wideouts - and their replacements!

    Now the same apologists who made every excuse for Chambers are doing the same for Ginn, and want us to waste 7 more years and lose God knows how many games waiting for another head case to fulfill his potential.

    **** that.
     
  32. GridIronKing34

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    What I find ironic about the Michael Jordan quote, is that Pennington mentioned it at the end of his video:

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/miami-dolphins/09000d5d812e2918/Hanging-with-Chad

    "We've been conditioned to avoid failure at all cost and not use failure as a learning tool and not embrace it... The quote by Michael Jordan is awesome.. I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed. Now does that mean you accept it? No. But you embrace the experiences you have knowing it's going to make you better."
     
  33. Dannyg28

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    i'll give you that he dropped that last ball in the clutch, but you are gonna call a pass in the first half a "clutch" situation? If you are gonna use that definition he made more "clutch" plays than he failed to make.

    you are behaving like Ginn caught 0 passes and his only contribution was "dropping"(the first one being considered a drop is debatable). He caught 100 receiving yards. Yes we didnt win, but to pretend like hes the only player who played badly(when he was actually out 2nd best player on the field for the vast majority of the game) . He played well that game OVERALL. Yes, if he wants to be considered an elite receiver, he needs to make that catch. However, hes made catches that can be considered "clutch" before, people just ignore that though when you miss a clutch catch.


    This is the definition of a knee jerk reaction, determing a player isnt clutch, by one single solitary play. Do you think no "elite" receiver has ever dropped a game winning pass ever? im not saying Ginn is elite, but to call for his benching is not only wrong its honestly ridiculous and illogical when you take into account what else he did in that game.
     
  34. Dannyg28

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    Ginn has dropped 26 game winning touchdown passes? really? when was this?and Jordan had 6 championships his 3rd year in the NBA? thats ****ing impressive.

    No one is saying Ginn is gonna be the ****ing Micheal Jordan of WR, but how about we get some kind of sample size going before you write a guy off as not clutch huh?
     
  35. GridIronKing34

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    You know we did draft 2 wide receivers this year, right? It's not like we're not grooming young wide outs in case any of the current don't work out.

    No one is asking anyone to waste 7 years on waiting on Ginn... just a little bit more than 2 years and 2 games when he has done more in his first two seasons than 70% of the players drafted 7th overall to 32nd overall.

    I don't see why it needs to get to a point where Ginn "apologists" and "haters" have to mock each other either. The whole cheap shot thing between the two groups is beyond me...
     
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  36. NaboCane

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    :rolleyes: Again...you help an old lady across the street - good on you. You steal her purse once you get to the other side - you go to jail.

    One act has nothing to do with the other. That's how it works.

    As for elite Receivers dropping passes: Ted Ginn can earn a pass (:chuckle:) for dropping one occasionally when he accomplishes ANYTHING AT ALL - let alone joins the ranks of elite Receivers.
     
  37. Dannyg28

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    Bull**** that it is spot on. Ginn catches a much larger percentage of passes than Chambers ever did, Chambers lacked concentration because he dropped easy passes consistently while making circus catches all over the place. I highly doubt the reason Ginn drops a ball thats up in the air its because its concentration.
     
  38. Dannyg28

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    thats only an equivalent comparison if Ginn decided he didnt want to catch the ball at the end of the game and dropped it on purpose.

    and how does one thing not have anything to do with the other? we are talking about Ted Ginn as a whole. I mean, if you want to judge his entire career and potential on one pass be my guess. im not gonna do it though and not sure why our coaching staff would either

    You are acting as if Ginn has been in a high powered passing offense for 5 or 6 seasons and has missed a whole plethora of game winning passes. He made a clutch catch against the Jets, he dropped one against the colts. At worst hes 50/50.
     
  39. NaboCane

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    You're the one who introduced that standard by which to judge Ginn into this conversation! Now you don't want it applied because it shows your man to be less than you thought? :lol: Live with it.
     
  40. jdang307

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    Easy, very easy.

    Errant throw, receiver has to adjust, to get to the ball, off his route.

    Errant throw, wide open receiver must wait, 3 defenders join him.

    Errant throw, WR must interfere with DB who is about to intercept, gets his hands on the ball.

    I can go on.
     

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