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Coordinators speak out after Indy

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by SeanP, Sep 24, 2009.

  1. SeanP

    SeanP Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Didn't see this posted anywhere, so if it is please don't rough me up too much ;)

    http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2009/09/coordinators-thursday-at-dolphins-camp.html

    What I found most interesting was the last part:

    I think a few people calling for Dan Henning's head might want to see that. Pennington unfortunately made a botched call, although I don't like seeing Henning throwing him under the bus like that (unless that question was specifically posed as to who made that decision).

    Hopefully that clears the air a bit, or at least helps to answer some of the questions we all have.
     
  2. anlgp

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    It's not really throwing Penny under a bus IMO.. it might seem like it at first but if they didn't want to give him the option to do that they didn't have to.
     
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  3. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Regardless of who made the call, it was a bad desicion.
     
  4. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I want a QB who isn't afraid to throw a ball, and beyond that who WANTS to throw the ball in clutch situations.
     
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  5. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    Manning wouldn't have made that call.

    You have to play to win. You won't succeed if you play to not lose.
     
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  6. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Coaching doesn't get a pass here (no pun intended). They shouldn't have left it to Penny, it should be a pass play called. It shouldn't have been a pass called by Penny, so now we have more people to blame.
     
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  7. Rhody Phins Fan

    Rhody Phins Fan Well-Known Member

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    We still had two timeouts in that situation. There was no reason to play it safe.
     
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  8. SeanP

    SeanP Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't disagree one bit that it was a bad call. I do think however that if the QB sees a chink in the defense's armor, he should be trusted to be able to make that call based on his experience, and make the adjustment. We were gashing them on the run for massive plays all game. It obviously wasn't the right call, but if something he saw made him believe it was at the time, I for one can't really fault him for that.

    Now whether or not that was what happened who knows. Maybe he didn't want to take the chance of the high pressure situation resulting in a deflating turnover, and decided to play it safe?

    I do see your point about the coaches needing to make the call to put it in the air, but I think our QB and coach need to be on the same page on this one. Once you get down to the line the QB is the only person who can both look and say "This isn't going to work" and make an adjustment. If you can't trust him to make the right call there, you don't have the right guy in place.
     
  9. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Makes me wonder if those two runs before the two minute warning were also Chads doing.
     
  10. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    First thing that came to my mind as well.
     
  11. SeanP

    SeanP Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If it was multiple plays where he took the safe route versus the aggressive one, I agree. Especially towards the end of that game that defense was roasted. If it was just one play its possible he read some nasty coverage and saw the outcome as INT or an incompletion. But yeah, if it was all night long that's a big problem.

    Either way I doubt we'll see Henne come in unless Penni really obviously just blows it, or gets injured.
     
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  12. Fin D

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    Its my understanding that it was an either or play based on the defensive looks. If that's true and you factor we were running over them all night, it may not have been that Penny was scared.

    It was a bad decision to be sure, but I'm not so sure we should questioning the guy's courage.
     
  13. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Could also be a case of the right read, but poor execution (on our part), and/or a great defensive play by the Colts...no?
     
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  14. Fin D

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    Absolutely.
     
  15. Die_Nasty

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    I don't think that call has anything to do with Chad's belief that he can make the play or whether or not he has the courage to try and complete a pass in that situation. The fact was that he thought he saw a break in the defense and thought it was the best play against that front.

    It was obviously not successful, but it is ignorant to question a guys courage or mental fortitude due to this play call.
     
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  16. Fin D

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    Exactly, I don't think anyone of us has put in the amount of film and learning of the plays, that we have the right to question MOST NFL qb audibles like that, let alone one's like Penny or Peyton who study more than most.
     
  17. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    It's still Henning's fault for not calling a play that beat what they were doing.
     
  18. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Letting Chad make the call was the right decision, IMO. He's a cerebral QB how knows the defensive schemes.
     
  19. padre31

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    DC Pasqualoni sounds like he is making excuses, I don't care about last week's game, that is in the rearview mirror, our Defense was flat out raped by the Colts and what DC P is saying is not exactly inspiring confidence in me.
     
  20. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    He also has shown that he'll go the safe route more than he should.....he doesn't trust his ability as a passer.
     
  21. Tone_E

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    Well, maybe Henning should give Pennington 19 pass plays next time. One should be able to arbitrarily beat whatever coverage is being shown – let the cerebral QB figure it out.
     
  22. GISH

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    Henning has an entire playbook to choose from. Pennington is given 1 pass and 1 run. What I'm saying is that he should have given Pennington better plays to choose from. Perhaps 2 pass plays.
     
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  23. femalefinfan

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    Could it be that Chad also questions the abilities of the WR corps?
     
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  24. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    If so, then we've got serious problems. He's had plenty of time to develop chemistry with Ginn, Bess, Cam, Fasano. He has also shown some chemistry with Hartline. Pennington seemed emotionless or even pissed off on that last drive. I think there's some issues there. But its hard to say what they are. Perhaps a clash between his ego and the coaching staff's play calling? Perhaps fear of throwing "the pick" that puts him on the bench? Who knows... but I hope it ends sooner than later.
     
  25. Conuficus

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    But he didn't mention chemistry. He mentioned their abilities.
     
  26. jdang307

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    Then he should be gone :lol:

    Chicago's corp is 10 times worst than ours. Earl Bennet, Johnny Knox, and Devin Hester? But Cutler is still taking pass ...
     
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  27. Rick 1966

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    I'm trying to imagine Dan Marino being given the choice, in those situations, between calling a pass play or a run play...
    Yeah, uh-huh. Think I know the answer to that hypothetical.
     
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  28. CashInFist

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    I never saw how anyone could be mad at Henning for calling an outstanding game that keeps Peyton Manning off the field for 45 minutes...
     
  29. CashInFist

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    Dan Henning is a little too old to be running down on the field and making the TD catches for Ted Ginn, Jr. He has to rely on his players to execute. Hell Henning gave us every opportunity in the freakin' world to win that game! We shoved the ball down their throats for 45 minutes for cryin' out loud! We should feel lucky to have Dan Henning as our OC, imo.
     
  30. CashInFist

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    ALso, Dan Henning doesn't make those decisions on settling for a FG...
     
  31. CashInFist

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    Pennington has the option to run or pass frequently. If you hold the ball for 45 minutes you had a good gameplan...
     
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  32. alen1

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    I could see why he made that call, I just don't necessarily agree with it. He knows from studying the Colts defensive line that when its 3rd down, they pin their ears back and pay zero attention to the run so when you run a delayed handoff or a draw, it could catch them off-guard and there could be a gaping hole in the middle of the field. I still think that it wasn't a bad call but it wasn't a great one either. He could have run a slant there to Ginn, who had success getting open and I think should be used with short passes such as drag routes or even crossing patterns. Henning used it in Carolina but hasn't used it here in Miami. I think it has to do with the players ability to beat the jam but I think even that is questionable because teams respect Ginn's speed and give him a cushion. Run a quick slant and you've got at least a pick up of four there. Again, I don't necessarily agree with the call but I don't think it was a very poor one nor was it a great one. I could see his reasoning for making those two calls. There was only one call that I really had an issue with but I can't remember what it was right now.

    In the end, I'm not sure Henning cost us the game. As noted earlier, 45 minutes of possession is a lot and it should be enough to win this game. I think the issues that stand out are the safety play and the linebacker play. They are in position to make plays, they're simply not executing. You can't miss tackles, you can't leave your zone, you can't over-pursue and then expect to catch up to Dallas Clark on a wheel route outside the hashes. Those are things that can't be done.
     
  33. GISH

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    thats not penningtons job. his job is to be on the same page with his WRs and throw them the ball. ginn, cam, and bess have each caught 50+ passes from him. if he makes the right throws, then the rest is on them, not him.

    we could be seeing a damaged confidence level in pennington in general.
     
  34. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    Get ready for the phantom injury as the fat lady begins to warm up..
     
  35. dolphan117

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    Henning just had a brutal end to that game. As he admits he sent the wrong personnel package out there that made us burn 30 seconds or so and then a time out as well.... And then we ran the ball 3 times on that drive.

    I love the idea of calling 2 plays in the huddle and then leaving it up to Chad to check to the right one based on coverage but in that situation they both need to be pass plays. Not a run and a pass. There is no excuse IMO to need a TD with that little time left and still run the ball 3 times on that drive and most of that blame falls on Henning IMO.
     

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