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When the fear of Global Warming isn't working........

Discussion in 'Science & Technology' started by 2socks, Sep 7, 2009.

  1. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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  2. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    always amazes me that they keep harping on this. if the earth decides to cool or warm there is absolutely nothing mankind will be able to do to prevent it. the implied arrogance is stunning
     
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  3. cnc66

    cnc66 wiley veteran, bad spelur Luxury Box

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    Many of these scenarios are likely results of continued melting of ice. Unload the crustal plates and adjustments happen. Glaciers melt and mudslides happen, coastal cities and territory become more susceptible to flooding. As I've said many times, the issue of warming, and what may be causing it are not the same. Denying that there will be consequences to this warming are as irresponsible as assuming we are the sole cause of it.

    You can argue until you are blue in the face but the overwhelming TRUTH is that sea levels continue to rise because ice continues to melt. Ignoring this because one doesn't like the political hysteria is akin to burying your head in the sand to deny the rising sun.
     
  4. Ronnie Bass

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    What is interesting is all the comments in the readers section that are being deleted, I would love to know whose side of the opinion is being silenced. Doesn't look to be the pro-GW crowd at quick glance.
     
  5. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    sea levels are rising as far as I can discern and if the warnings were about planning for displacement I would be for this concern. But they are taking this issue and spinning it into political and economic solutions that have nothing to do with the underlying problem. Sea levels rise... people have to move....tried and true solution....been around for thousands of years
     
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  6. cnc66

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    This is a reasoned response, I applaude it. The thread starter however, appeared to me in his opening comment to be posting this with scorn for the article content. Many folks are caught up in the hype and think warming itself has to be denied in order to bolster their position on what is, or is not causing it. Sea levels are rising because we are losing ice mass. All of the things that are discussed in the article have merit and ARE the likely result of rebounding crustal plates and receeding glaciers. Because a truth can be attached to an agenda doesn't make it untrue.

    It doesn't matter what anyone says about fault or agenda because like it or not, we will as a specie have to deal with it soon in one form or another. It won't matter if you are a shrimp farmer in Bangladesh, or a blue blood living in your ocean front home in Palm Beach or a Cajun living in the 9th Ward. It could all very well be fishing structure by the end of the next century.

    To me, I would prefer cooling ten times out of ten, THAT keeps my beloved Florida out of the water.
     
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  7. gafinfan

    gafinfan gunner Club Member

    Well stated Marty and I agree with your assessment that it is the truth. The devil is in the details and just what, if anything, we as humans can do to effect this Ice melt down.

    I feel some, most, of the sarcasm comes about because this problem has been politicalized (Thus moneyed up) to throw the masses into turmoil. Thus the answers are all flawed. Personally I feel that I can do very little other than taking care to leave no footprints behind and the last thing that I want to see happen is another government answer that 50 years down the road our children and grandchildren are negatively affected. Both you and I have lived long enough to have already seen several government moves or non moves that have put us in the very spot we are in now.

    Just as you and/or I can't effect this problem by ourselves neither can the US effect Global Warming by itself and for politicans to lead us into believing that we can by writing another law, is what makes me so angry.

    I await your response.:up:
     
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  8. adamprez2003

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    well said. what kills me is that I dont really hear plans for dealing with it realistically. Are we going to build sea barriers like Venice or are we going to explore reverse subsidence through injecture wells or are we going to abandon those areas or are we just going to hope that the trend stops and reverses. Instead we hear cap and trade and co2 and all these different ideas that we can somehow reverse the process. This is at best naive thinking and at worst a cynical lie IMO. We need a common sense discourse on these trends and their impacts and not some alternative agenda being pushed on us again.
     
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  9. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    :tongue2: take that

    :tongue2: and for good measure that

    I was doing exactly that.....more less shaking my head at the old tactic off scaring the public into thinking if we don't do something about this we are all going to die because of earthquakes and volcanoes that are going to erupt continuously until we all are crushed or choke to death on poisonous gases.

    Fact is maybe there is global warming....can' really deny the polar caps are melting. Sea levels are going to rise, no doubt.

    But to think that we as humans can in any way stop what is gonna happen is both arrogant and naive. Which kind of leads us into Cap and trade discussion. Does anyone think because we ( just the USA ) is gonna make any kind of difference in weather the globe is warming up or not. I am really thrilled to know or better yet would like to know who's pockets are gonna be lined by this crap we are now gonna have to pay for.

    Any ideas??????
     
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  10. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Reminds me of the diddy....."Got me some Ocean front property in Arizona, from my front porch I can see the sea......."

    Who knows, if you wait long enough - can you say Property value increase cha-ching!!!!!!

    Quess, you have to move to Colorado if you want to be a block or two from the ocean!!!:wink2:
     
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  11. cnc66

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    First, let me state that in my personal opinion, cap and trade, and all forms of carbon credits are nothing but a new method for fleecing Americans out of money. All "I" needed to see was that goldman sachs had bought into carbon credits to tell me everything I need to know about how it will turn out for me.

    We are about to be further hamstrung in global business by adding to the cost of "us" doing business with taxes. Bleeding hearts are trying to convince us that it is "our" responsibility to take the lead in this battle by penalizing those that put the most carbon into the air. Until every country worldwide meets the same requirements the only "real" thing that will happen is that we will be put further into a disadvantage.

    I have no answer for why there is no discussion on how to handle rising sea levels. What we will see, imo, is the repeated mistakes of continued efforts to live in places simply untenable. New Orleans comes to mind, but any coastal city will do.. and that includes Washington DC.

    I have a solution for the rebuilds.. have the Federal Government refuse to underwrite insurance in flood prone areas. Let the "true" cost be born by the builders and owners. There have been precedents set along the Mississippi River where levee protected, flood prone areas were condemned to no rebuilding or occupation. Some of you younger fella's will see this sort of issue come up for barrier islands too.

    ask yourselves this.. how many times will we rebuild the below sea level portions of New Orleans before one more is to many ? How many lives will have to be lost before the public realizes the Army Corpse Engineers never fix anything with a levee, they just tell you it's safe to live there and when it fails they bear no responsibility. We will see more disasters of their making on the south rim of Okeechobee Lake again some day too.. We nearly lost the levee to Wilma.

    I digress. But there is a lesson here, they have never really fixed anything and won't solve this but they will try.. and "you" will be asked to foot the bill. We will spend a LOT of money trying to hold back the sea before finally conceding defeat, the true trick would be to recognize the futility early on and save the resources.
     
  12. 2socks

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    thought you guys might find this interesting.....please pay special attention to paragraph 1

    http://science.howstuffworks.com/global-warming5.htm
     
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  13. Celtkin

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    As you know from running your own board, even deleted posts can be seen by Admins. There are no deleted posts in this thread. Is there another in which I should check because I will NOT abide disruption or termination of a civil debate by anyone, and that includes staff.
     
  14. HolliFinFan

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    I think he meant the comments to the article on the article's "forum," not this one. (Comments that follow the article on that link).
     
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    Oh, color me embarrassed. :lol:

    Thanks Lisa!
     
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  16. HolliFinFan

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    Now don't be silly. No need for that :up:
     
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  17. gafinfan

    gafinfan gunner Club Member

    While I agree with you; the very nature of the Human race is one that NEVER learns from its own history lessons. We will continue to build where we want to build, the flooding be damned, we are an arrogant bunch!:wink2::shifty:
     
  18. HolliFinFan

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    I agree. And all of the politicians, both sides, try to play at heartstrings about the grandkids. We can trade it off either way, but the bottom line is that the majority of people care about now. Look at the efforts since the WWII Holocaust. Successful in widespread specific, but not in indigenous cultures, where influence of Western intervention is slow, and not accepted.
     

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