Before i go any further, i thought this kid had about a 50 percent chance of making our team......that was before i saw him play. At 1st i was real upset by his lack of burst, because i read he ran a 4.55 yard dash, but he's put on 30 or 40 pounds since then and this guy is around 265 or so now.........He looks to be a 4.6/4.7 guy now. The good news he is not just a one trick pony "" with speed and no moves"" , he has a'lot of power in his game and he's good at getting the OT off balance with his speed then using his power.He can just out right over power guys with out trying to even set them up as well. This guy has moves upon moves, and we could even play him as a DT on passing downs if we wanted to.He also played DT in the CFL. Anyways everyone should see him play, and if anyone wants to, just let me know, and i'll hook you up.I know he's coming from the CFL but it's clear to see he'll be able to set the edge and get pass a TE to get to the QB.....Only time will tell if he can beat OT's in the NFL,but if he can do that he has a chance to be a very good player in the NFL. As for this coming year, like i said he can play any spot on the Dline when we go into dime or nickel so i think his versatility will make him a lock to make the team.
C. Wake needs work Funkdat, he doesn't use his hands as well as I'd like. I've watched him in the CFL and he sort of bullrushes the OT then plays off them, in the NFL...not sure that will work..but I doubt a Te will block him for very long.
He is raw, but has potential, the fact that 8 plus other teams wanted him shows that. But I don't expect much right away, I look at him as a rookie.
While physically imposing, there are reasons why this kid did'nt get drafted, The mental part of the game is the only logical excuse, considering his measurables. consistency and instincts will be what iam watching for.
Of course we don't know how his skill will translate, but the fact is he will be given the opportunity to suceed at the nfl. He is confident in his workout regiment now and in his ability, which may of been what he was lacking. He is also aware of how small and fragile an opportunity in the NFL can be. That should ensure his determiniation and work ethic are there come mini camps. I also think our coaching staff will be able to help him breakdown his moves during film sessions and help guide his technique for some of the challenges he will face from NFL OLinemen. This area may be over looked but the off the field capabilities and analysis to improve personal play is far greater and more advanced than what is available to players in the CFL. So if he is experiencing troubles early on, the support should be there to help overcome areas that he might not have otherwise been able to disect. I think Cam Wake will do whatever it takes not to let this opportunity he has slip away, just the type of person he has become. Physically he should be able to find success if his attitude is right. It woudl be great for the phins if he is able to excel in the NFL and would fill another spot for our team with a relatively young player.
Nicky, you got mail. Just so everyone knows.... i don't think he's going to come in to the NFL and start this year and get 21 sacks. I think because of his versatility " he can play any spot on the Dline on passing downs", he'll make the team and i don't think Miami will even try to play him much or at all at OLB in camp or his 1st year. Like i said before i saw him play i just thought he'd be lucky to make the team.Now i'm thinking will he get 5 or 8 sacks in spot duty? I thought of him as just another Charlie Anderson kind of speed rusher guy but he's not.He brings a'lot more to the table.
C Wake is more powerful a player then Charlie Anderson is, both are fast but Wake is far more physical IMO.
On 2-3-2009 i said "" Only time will tell if he can beat OT's in the NFL,but if he can do that he has a chance to be a very good player in the NFL."" It only took Wake a few plays to show he could beat OT's in the NFL, when it should of taken him the better part of the year. This guy is going to be a STAR!!! Best part is he has JT and Porter to learn from.
Well, he can beat the LTs in the league, but is that his only trick ?? If he expects to make it and be the guy we need him to be, he'll have to do more than speed rush. He'll have to develop another move or two and have some success with a bull rush, which we haven't seen yet. But...his skillset, as it is, in conjunction with JP, JT and the rest, could be exciting this year. What might be really exciting is the next couple of years...but that still remains to be seen...
I thought Cam Wake had a decent spin move in his arsenal. Of course, it's not enough, but it is something.
i thought wake stood out amongst everyone on the offense and defense lines when he was in he just stuck out and had damn good burst...I was shocked at how good he looked.
Wake is the RealDeal & a MiamiSteal, He is awesome (don't know who you read or where you get this negative stuff) the man is a physical freak & lives football24/7. he is a bonafied ParcellsGuy look for a defensive alignment or set of defensive special pass rushing plays to get the Triad of Terror: Porter, Taylor & Wake on the field together. they will plunder QB's this year they will be the scourge of the NFL.
I would have to disagree with the moves upon moves statement. He is very much a one trick pony; attacking the outside only, with issues rediretcing inside. If the OT is cognizant of getting off the ball and setting up in A1+ kickslide then chances are Wake is stymied.
I have to disagree with your disagreement Conu, keep in mind Wake is in theory fighting for a roster spot, when he is put into a game he has to go with his A game even if that is "garden variety speed rush"...which is actually a good to really good speed rush. In the next two games his repetoire should see more daylight, as at the very least he has shown he can be a nickel passrusher, once that bar has been achieved, he can pull out the spins and swims...which BTW require the Tackle to be overly compensating for a speed rush...sort of like a pitcher has to have a good fastball before he can throw a curve ball...
Wake has serious speed & explosion off the line & the strength to dominate defensive linesmen i.e bull rush to go along with all of the little outside intricacies of an elite OLB. He will not disappoint. as we post, I guarantee you plans are being made to utilize the Triad of Terror in our new defense. they will have a defensive package that will impact the NFL as greatly as the WildCat did in 2008
I disagree with your disagreement of my disagreement. By that definition, wouldn't his A game require that he utilize all of his pass rushing moves? Why leave it in the bag? Holding things back will only hurt his chances. And given his apparent personality; the living, breathing football - he may be more likely to bring everything he's got. He certainly brought his speed rush, why leave everything until later? By the way, have you noticed we are always talking about his repertoire showing up? I would have thought it may have shown itself a bit by now. I agree it is one game, but from what was there he didn't show a great ability to get himself inside. Don't make me lean over and smack you...... Are you one of aunry Texans? Huh? Pickin on us foreigners who no speeka da Unglish so well?
Point of order!!!! Point of Order!!! Situations, down inside two minutes, actually 30 seconds, in the first half he was a pin the ears back upfield rusher, which is his certain talent, he had to perform and he went with what he knew would work. Qb taking a 5 step drop, Wake had 8 steps to reach Bouman, and he did. Well, CK did watch the entire game and Wake did showcase his moves, but he was at that point more of a conventional OLB, stacking the tackle and chasing the play rather than pinning his ears back, could be the Staff saw what they needed out of Wake the passrusher and wanted to see Wake the OLB's all around game, and he did pretty well at it. OT but Q Moses has really really improved, enough so that putting Wake at the strongside seems foolish now, Moses was stacking and shedding and dropping back into coverages really well, I thought he was a bubble guy but his light may have come on in Roth's absence. Damn warlike Onions.... BTW, I'd love to have .gif of Wake being knocked on his butt by the Te coming out of the back field...that was soo perfect..
That was Wake? I saw that and wondered who it was. They didn't show a replay, but damn that was a nasty block.
it was Wake. don't worry about it, he'll do it again on Saturday. just pay attention this time. the man is a beast!& he's just getting started
It was the perfect parabolic arch..legs straight out...his back hit the ground first...man...Cam Wake got...Jacked UP...
Have you only seen him play just the 30 plays or so? Because what i said was off of watching many games of his, not just 30 some odd plays. To me Charlie Anderson is what i would call a one trick pony because all he has is his speed and once the OT get's his hands on him the plays over like 99.9% of the time and for Wake that's when the play is just starting. That's why people like Omar who probably never saw him play before like most Dolfans here, were not seeing what all the fuss was about before the Pads went on, because with this guy the play is just starting when the hand fighting starts. Anyways to me that's what you look for in DE/OLB.
got a minute? check it out all about the Atheletic Freak & Sack Monster [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXhvg2HhTo0"]YouTube - Cameron Wake Feature[/ame] [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2zk_hiMoVk"]YouTube - Cameron Wake vertical leap(11'8")[/ame] [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIUaFdHL0wY"]YouTube - Cameorn Wake Feature[/ame] he will not disappoint this guy is the RealDealBill Parcells know OLB better than anyone else in the game & seven other NFL teams thought so too. we weren't the only team interested, just the first to pull the trigger on the SackMonster.
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IMO Wake has the quickest first step among our pass rushers and Sparano agrees. In the game he used the speed rush and the spin move. I think with just those two moves he can be effective in obvious pass situations this season. By effective I mean 4 or 5 sacks and at least as many hurries. I also thought he anchored well against the run in the game. That was one my concerns since his highlights don't show him in run D. I did think he failed to recognize the screen but that's hardly a surprise in a first year player.
No, I've seen more than that. I still want to see him show me he can get to the inside. Everything I've seen on Wake doesn't show me that the play begins when the hand fighting starts. Wake makes plays off the edge via speed. But any good pass rusher will need to show he can redirect inside, and Wake doesn't do that consistently. He will simply stays to the outside and drive up the field more than he ever tries to use an arm over or swim move to get back to the inside. I maintain the same position I have always had with him.
Chicken and egg though Conu, before a tackle has to overeact a speed rush, he has to be concerned about it first, once Wake establishes "I can blow by you" to the Tackles in the NFL, then he can work the other moves. Ahh..but even "one trick ponies" can excel as long as that one trick is really good.. BTW Conu...9:12 in the third qtr, Wake uses a spin move to withdraw from his up the field move and move to the inside and assists in tackling the running back. That was one sweet move my friend.
Not necessarily, a guy with good moves will work both side regardless of speed......Ogunleye was not a burner off the edge, but he could use more than one move. I'm not saying he can't apply pressure, just that he will have to show more moves otherwise he can be ridden wide. The spin I'll get to in a bit when the kids are busy.
i like the triad of terror nickname but ive been using the four horsemen whentalking about this group since we should be playing a good pit of 3-4.while crowder isn't seen as a pass rush specialist,he has been pretty solid in coverage and it's going to take all four working together for this to work well.lets not forget the little guys. i know the hoursmen isn't as original but it works for me until a better nick for the four come up.
He was a larger guy in the 4-3 though right? To be honest Conu, the Jags game is horrible to watch, too many flags we'll have a better feel for what Wake is about after the Panthers game. I mean come on, when Wake pressured Bouman, the Jags had been flagged twice on the red zone series, and used two time outs, it was horrible to watch over and over again.. Check out Q Moses on the other side as well, the 3rd qtr Wake and Moses were really effective.
All this talk about Quinton...i missed focusing on him the whole game..i hate that cable doesnt have nfl network. I heard Ck give him very high praise, What did you see from the kid Compadre?
Q is really strong Dj, he is opposite of Wake for most of the third qtr and some of the second qtr, when he makes contact with the Olineman, you can see the "jolt" on the OT. I compare Q to Roth, and last year watching Roth in coverage was..watching a guy give 100% effort to get out to the flat, or to drop back into short zone coverage, Q does both smoothly. He does have flaws like relying on only an outside pass rush when if he tried to go underneath the blocker he would clog the passing lane with his length.... For Conu, check out 9:54 in the third, Q sheds the blocker like a rag doll.
I hate you guys that you can rewind and watch this, bastards.. I trust your eyes brother, do you think he could compete with roth strait up?, what i did get a good look at was his body, its filling out.
Lovin'...every...minute..of...it..Dj.. Sparano is making noises like Roth is not going to be a factor, as in he missed 28 practices and Sparano is moving on from him...which is stunning. As for Q, like anything else Dj, he needs an opportunity and apparently JT and maybe JP won't play vs the Panthers, so he will have his chance to flash or fade out.
We'll see Saturday! take a look @ the videos of Wake I posted, if you haven't already viewed them. they are very revealinga picture is worth a thousand words
I dont mind JT and porter sittin out, i wanna see our youngsters start, wouldnt mind using this game to start Solai either. I think this is the game where we might see a lot our young guys because of the three game stretch here and what kind of predicament that puts our starting players in from a fatigue standpoint. Iam excited about that fact actually, Carolina scares the crap out of me, so id rather develope some depth now until i actually have to worry about them in the regular season.
He was like 260ish IIRC. I could be wrong, but he wasn't that big. Most 4-3 ends are around 265 - 275lbs unless they have gotten a bit bigger in recent years.
