Well, the problem here is the two rookies, assuming they make the team, someone will have to leave, probably two someone's. The problem here is the starters and nickel rusher is pretty much set into stone, JP, Roth, JT, are the top three, the remaining 7 are a mixed bag of parts, Wake can rush the passer, but can he play Special Teams? Anderson can play special teams, but is a mediocre pass rusher, Erik Walden can play ST but has never filled in at OLB in the pros. Moses can play up or down, Kershaw is another Special Teams type, George is a man without a real position, DMart v Wilford seems to be the problem IMO, they both do the same sort of job as the "receiving" Te and Fasano is the best all around of our Te group. So who should we cut, and who has some trade value and were do you think they would end up?
I was thinking "if" Greg C and David Martin were healthy, they would be really good trade bait and clear up the logjam while keeping some value for those two players. As for T George...idk...in the CFL he played DT, but he has been working with the OLB's in Mini Camp. to me, Charlie Anderson would also be decent trade bait, he is a 4-3 lb at heart.
I'd like to see this... WR: Cammarillo, Ted Ginn, Devone Bess, Pat Turner, Brian Hartline I want to see our two rookies do well and make the team, we cant afford these two to become "wasted" draft picks. I like Anthony Armstrong and the potential he can bring, but Im sure we can stash him away on the PS again. LB: Wake has to make it IMO. I think we'll see T George, Q Moses, Erik Walden, S Kershaw, JD Folsom fighting to make the team. What happens, I have no idea... I don't know enough about these guys to even dare to comment. TE: Anthony Fasano & David Martin I feel are locks. I can maybe see Wilford and Martin fighting it out. Id love to dump Wilford, but who knows, maybe his transformation into a receiving TE could work? Only time will tell I guess. Haynos has a good shot at staying I think based on his size alone and if we can dump Wilford. Then there's Nalbone, if he really shows something, probably ends up fighting with Haynos to see who gets stashed on the PS. Just taking a shot in the dark here of course... Lets see what happens when they all hit the field this weekend!
David Martin... interesting. Not sure how much value he'd have, though. To be honest, I have no idea what Camarillo might be worth. What would you guess? A 6th rounder? Maybe a 5th? I don't know... Baltimore would be a door I would knock on right now, if Mason decides to stay retired. Cam, I'm sure, would love to reunite the fearsome combo of Camarillo/Beck. Has he been at outside? I haven't noticed in the mini camp videos, but I swear I saw him listed at ILB somehwere. Can't remember where, though. Eh... don't know about that one. We got him as an UFA just last year, and you just gotta know any interested team would most likely just wait and see if we cut him. About the only other guys I can see on the roster that would be worth anything at all would be... Jason Allen and Ted Ginn, and I don't think there's a team out there that would give anything even close to what we gave up to get them. Ginn, I wouldn't trade, anyway. Maybe we could trade London back to the Giants.
I notice you left out Brandon London and I think for good reason. I personally have trouble seeing him sticking on the roster. He was suppose to be a red zone target but I don't recall him being used a lot last year, which makes me wonder how far he is in his development at the position. He's a good special teams player but Brian Hartline can do that as well. I could see Charlie Anderson sticking on the roster, despite some of his struggles last season. The reason is because when it comes to pass coverage, in which he'll be required to cover the flats, he has experience. At Houston, he was a weak side linebacker and I believe Houston runs Cover 2 quite a bit but also mixes it up with Tampa 2. In the Tampa 2, the weak side linebacker takes more coverage duties than the strong side linebacker and that fits well here because he would be covering the flats on passing situations. I could see him rotating at weak side linebacker or maybe even get some duties at inside linebacker in some emergency situations, as wild as that may sound. J.D. Folsom will be an inside linebacker in my opinion so I'd leave him out. That leaves Anderson, Wake, Roth, Porter and Taylor. Last year I believe we kept five OLB's and those are my five this year. If we keep six, I think it's Walden. At tight end, I'm going with Fasano, Martin and Haynos. I'm not sure about Wilford yet. He is a quality blocker in space but I haven't seen him in-line and I wonder how he does there. I say Haynos just because I've seen him play at the spot. It could be anyone really.
Good catch, to me London is also good trade bait, we re-upped him but the contract was smallish. If Anderson could play ILB his value to us would double, he would be worth keeping around then as a sort of jack of all trades, ST, OLB,ILB, nickel DE. To me, Folsom is practice squad material to the "T", he was unheralded coming out of Weber State, he is a bit overwhelmed at the moment with our defensive packages, and he could use some bulking up, he is low risk for being picked off of our Practice Squad as well. In a pinch Haynos would take the bus out of Miami, and you've also left out Nalbone, trading DMart for like a 5th pick would clear things up tremendously. KC needs a Te...they could use Camarillo as well...
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking at least. I could be way off on it, however. Completely agree. Though I know My 2 Cents has given some pretty good thoughts on Folsom. I'm not sure what to make of Nalbone, honestly. I don't have any tape on him so I can't form an opinion and I recall reading that he was dropping passes or something, which worries me. Haynos doesn't stand out to me and I'd rather keep Martin over him. KC likes what they have at tight end, apparently. I believe they are pretty comfortable with Brad Cottom and O'Connell. Agree on Camarillo, though I wouldn't complain about keeping him.
I want to see Brennan Marion take Camarillo's spot and average 30 yards per catch, which opens up Bess to have over 130 catches this season because teams are just scared to death about the deep game with Marion and Ginn on the outside.
Well the reason why KC would be attractive is Martin can do some of the things Gonzo can do and he is a FA at the end of the year so they aren't married to him. As for Greg C, Cassel has Bowe and...he also works cheaply and is a team guy. And I'd bet Ireland is will be watching the injury wire like a hawk trying to move some guys, Anderson would be a simple trade and he also works fairly cheaply. imho, this is the preseason we take a page out of the Patsies book and move some of the players we have developed, we have talented players who are behind even more talented players, that is an ideal situation for a trade to happen. And I can't see us cutting Wilford, to me it's a pride thing on the part of Ireland, if he can move DMart (who was incredibly productive last season) in order to keep Wilford he may pull the trigger on a deal.
To me, Marion has had it soo rough, I'd love to see him make the practice squad, the guy was living in the JC locker room for pete's sake, the 5,000 a week practice squad money would be like a million dollar check every week. Sometimes I like it when the underdog catches a break, and Marion needs a proper rehab period, it was 7 months ago or so he had the ACL, to expect him to compete effectively now is a bit of a stretch.
I don't disagree with you that it's a possible landing spot if he was to be on the block, I was merely stating what I have read and my thoughts on it. I think you had the wide receiver spot in mind as you were typing that and I still don't see it that way. One injury and you're back to where you started and possibly struggling with some depth. Camarillo is coming off an injury. I can. If he can't do the job at two spots, why keep him? Wasting roster space.
No problem Alen to me the answer to the logjam is obvious, someone is traded (beats being cut) and DMARt has the most value in a trade. As CK would say "Let's see if he is highlighted in the preseason", One injury and the Rooks get their chance to play, it is no accident that we drafted 2 Wr's and they aren't here to sit, Greg C to me is a modern day JT Smith (google him) but we also drafted his replacements. The only other player it makes any sense to trade is Ted Ginn, and I don't see it happening, "true" Ireland loves 2nd round picks, but to me that could happen, not when Greg C is more movable. GM's are funny ducks Alen, they gave Wilford a boatload of money and reputations are valuable in the NFL, no GM wants to admit they got worked by a player. Put it this way, Ireland worked Jerry Jones for Fasano and Akin A, the flippin' Lions worked Jerry Jones in the Roy Williams deal, they could do that because JJ has a rep as a softee, Ireland doesn't want that reputation.
I agree that we drafted his replacements but it doesn't make much sense to me to off load a player if you have an injury. I don't believe that.
Yea, that is my realistic goal or putting him on Injured Reserve all season and having him work out next week. I believe he gets paid for that. I really want him to make it and dominate. This is one of those few heart string tugging stories that tugged my heart strings. Hell when he was given a place to live it was at a person's house who wasn't doing THAT well.
All the more reason to show him in preseason to prove his knee is 100% I do, recall even the Falcons were holding out for a draft pick for Vick, GM's have reps and no one wants to be rolled.
Agreed. They were asking for a seventh rounder and then cut him a week or so later if I remember correctly.
I would like Wilford to stick around. I know he was terrible last year, but you never know. Last year, we had alot of players suprise us and play to a level we didn't expect them to. Maybe Wilford can be that player this year.
I am more concerned about ILB than any other. I wonder why everyone is so high on Hartline, I just don't know enough about him. And yes it sure would be nice if we collected some draft picks for a couple of these guys like the Pats do every year, but I just am not sure we have the talent to do that.
i dont think the cap hit on Wilford is as huge this year as it was if we did it last year... i think he'll be gone to be honest, though he'll be versatile which is something our coaching staff likes, if he can play TE, we know he can (kinda) play WR, so thats something that could help him... as for these logjams, i think a lot are insurance policies, we dont know how Cam will recover, maybe he'll be PUP'd for the beginning of the season to fully heal and we can see what an extra young guys can show... you never know when an injury can occur (knock on wood, but just saying) so having this depth this early is nice and gives us some insurance for any (knock on wood again, knock on everything, throw salt, etc) injury that occurs in training camp...
No disrespect to Pennington, but he can't get the ball down the field consistently. Ginn could run go routes all day, but defenses only have to defend that route for so many yards. It doesn't take long for Ginn to outrun Penny's range.
The guy I'd love to see stick is Joey Haynos, 6'7 270 pd Te's who can play do not come along very often, if he can play at all, especially if he can block, he would be one heck of a weapon. He'd be like having a third offensive tackle out on the field, that does not come along everyday.
Me personally would love to see the WR Corps of: Ginn Camarillo Bess Turner Hartline Armstrong The OLB corpse for me would be: Porter Taylor Roth Anderson Wake I would love to see Erik Walden make the team, but Wake would have to be a total bust for that to happen. Dolphins are stacked at OLB
Not really. Wilford's original contract included a 6 million signing bonus, pro-rated at 1.5 mil a year..... he is in the 2nd year of his deal, so we have 4.5 million left of prorated signing bonus to count. Currently, his salary this year is 1.5 million + 1.5 million in signing bonus proration so Wilford counts 3 million towards the cap. If we cut him, we save the 1.5 mil in base salary, but would have to take the remaining prorated signing bonus as a dead cap hit which would be 4.5 million. If we dont cut him, he takes up 3 mil in cap space. If we cut him, it costs us 4.5 million in dead cap. Its only a difference of 1.5 million if we cut him vs. if we keep him. Thats nothing at all. For comparison, we released Holliday which cost us 2.5 million in dead cap space. Michael Lehan cost us 3.3 million in dead cap space. McCown cost us 1.25 million in dead cap space. And Jason Taylor costs us 2.5 million in dead cap space. Bottom line: Wilford's salary cap his isnt going to keep him on the roster. The only way he stays is if he beats people out and performs. Didnt Ireland release McCown a few months after signing him to a FA deal? Not every player you sign or draft works out, and sometimes better players come along, and good GMs know that and know when to cut dead weight.
We traded McCown for a 7th rd pick and we had signed Pennington at that point as well. As for my theory, that a trade will happen: Granted it is the easiest thing in the world to project a trade to a team that just cut a player, but in this case it makes sense but still 98% chance that no trade will happen. Greg C and DMart to the Chiefs (whose Wr are 35 yr old Armani Toomer and 36 yr old Bobby Engram) makes some sense.
I would much rather keep Haynos than Wilford. And I've personally thought that Camarillo was expendable since the draft. We already know that Ginn and Bess are decent receivers. If Turner and Hartline show promise then Camarillo is expendable. I'd prefer to trade him than lose him to free agency. At least we can control where he goes. Preferrably out of the division.
nothing would surprise me period George is a DE they are trying @ OLB but is big & strong & could play inside
