Ronnie Brown an Average Back

Bell's run support isn't just a strength. He is as good at run support as any safety in the NFL. You will be hard pressed to find a safety that possesses his ability to play in the box and drop back into coverage.

There is not one player on our defense I would rather have than Yeremiah Bell right now.

His abilities in our scheme make him just as valuable as anyone on this team.

How do you explain the Dolphins having a top-10 run defense with an average LB corps?

 

Refreshing. I remember when I was one of the few who would sing Bell's praises.

His speed is outstanding and his ability to make plays is very good. His run support is as good as it is dangerous.

He is fine in pass support. Miami's pass rush and Hill's mediocrity is generally what I blame for Miami's long ball.

 

I wouldn't call our linebacking corp last year "average." Porter is above average...granted, wasn't great against run. Crowder is better than average, and Roth was a beast on his side against the run.

Again, I'm not saying that Bell is terrible, or even not good. You guys are acting like that's what I'm saying. I'm just saying that I don't think using Bell is a good barometer for what Ronnie should get paid.

Like I said, if Bell's versatility plays into your thinking of how good he is, and what he should be paid, then Ronnie's versatility should play into your thinking of how good he is, and what he should get paid. And it doesn't.

 

I said that Ronnie should get paid roughly the same as what Bell got. Thats not a knock against Ronnie at all.

 

Ronnie Brown is also almost 4 years younger than Bell and plays a position that demands more money as well. The RB franchise tag is a full 2.5 million dollars above the Safety tag.

 

I agree with everything you said about about Y bell, The man at 30 is just now coming into his own and is still ascending as a football player, but not that hes worth more to us then ronnie... The committment to the hybrid takes prescedent here dont ya think?

Ronnie will continue to take snaps in the wildcat, Pat will be behind him threatening the defense with his own diversity, while Ronnie finds the seams that will be created..

Then just flip the script and give Pat his touches while the defense is worried about ronnie running them over..Its so freakin beautiful, i cant take it.

My gut tells me 4 years 28 million...

 

the guy was on pace for a roger craig like season until he made a tackle...

I do see what your saying about the gas pedal, i have questioned his sense of urgency in the past, but iam not sure how much that has to do with poor offensive line play. I think alot...

to flip your analogy, maybe the ferrari wanted to open up, but couldnt, because there were no lanes open..

Like what i did with that Compadre..lol

 

thats a good list..point taken.

The players i would take strait up for are..

Adrian Wilson..Laron landry.. Palamalu...Ed reed..Bob sanders..

Dawkins a few years back,but not now..

So for me hes about #6 and is still getting better.

 

Agree to disagree then.

 

I disagree. I think if the FO signs him now, it will be to a cheaper contract.

 

Iam with you brother, Ive been croaking about him for years...

I agree with stringer that hes arguably the most important player on our defense...Joey and him are neck and neck imo....You know what i love best about the Bullfrog....He's a True Miami Dolphin...born and raised baby.

 

Ok, and? You sign him to a large contract, and if he doesn't pan out, then what? Or sign him now for a GOOD price. I didn't say cheap. I said GOOD for him.

 

Oh, lol, sorry.

 

L2G, Djphinfan, I think we should agree to disagree. You're not going to change my opinion on Ronnie Brown, and I am not going to change yours.
It was a good argument though.

 

No nickname then....Yet..lol

 

how could i argue with a face like that..lol

 

understand and understood brother..wait til pottie training starts..lol....you will question your intelligence level...one of the most difficult things life has presented me.lol

A little tip...make it a race to the john..that seems to do the trick.

 

lol...ahhhhh the old take the diaper off the kid and expect him to pea in the toilet method..dont do that one when trying #2 buddy.

Ok back on topic...Ronnie brown IS elite..lol

 

after four years, that is not the consensus of opinion within the NFL
no doubt that he is an excellent RB & maybe after this season he will be an elite RB

respect is earned not conferred, it's all up to Ronnie Brown & what he does in 2009
everything is set in place for him to prove his metal, all he has to do is be elite

anyway you look at it, the Tandem is awesome & the Stable strong.
Time for Ronnie to walk the talk, to step up & snatch the big brass ring. No more excuses.

I think he can do it, but it has to be done now, not in 2010.
He already is being paid elite money, if he doesn't produce elite football he won't be a Dolphin in 2010
or will have to renogtiate his contract downward into the very good category.

Never know who will step up or down in the NFL, that's just the way it is...
2009 is a brand new season & I'm sure it will be filled with surprises, mostly good ones.

 

ok 23rd, duly noted, hows this, I think he is elitely talented {not sure if thats a word}, and, i have seen with my own eyes, a stretch of games where he produced elite numbers, which is where i come to my conclusions. But most of all, its about the gifted talent that i believe he has, and if i was a gm, i would'nt need to see anymore to make a financial committment to the player, at the level for which i project him, to make sure he does'nt go anywhere else, and, so i dont have to pull up the brinks truck at the end of the year.

I think we just disagree on what is elite production, yours and some others, is more about proving it {which i can respect, at least your not sayng he's a dime a dozen, or that we could just replace him with a draft pick}, mine and some others, is more about extrapulating the numbers and taking into account certain variables that are important to a runningback and projecting what the talent can do.

Its all good brother, and if you allow me, i would like to give you an official Phins.com nickname {not really official}, so i dont have to call you by a number.. and, to make that ashraf jealous. lol

Only with your consent though.

 

Potential is a good word.

 

way to safe when discussing this player....

 

After four years, it is not the consensus of opinion within the NFL that Brown is an Elite RB
(not even ranked in the top ten)
No doubt, in my mind, that he is an excellent RB, maybe, in 2009 he will become an elite RB
However, the Tandem is an elite running unit & the Stable is excellent.
If the Orca-5 achieve expectations this year, our running game will be a PowerHouse within the NFL today.
In the end that is what is ultimately important, to win games.
The rest will play out on its own & will be dealt with appropriately
by our very competent, relentless & unrevealing (elite) FrontOffice.

 

Iam sure belicek and others would disagree with your concensus.

 

Was that who worte it? I assumed so so I didnt even open the link.. No sense in giving him credit for hitting the link when he is one of the worst beat reporters of all sports

 

Potential is a word used to describe a rookie, not a player coming off a trip to the pro-bowl, not a player at the center of an NFL-revolution, not a player who players around the league fear in facing on a weekly basis.

You might want to adjust your adjective selection device...it's a bit off.

 

I think where some get the lines cossed here is that, some KNOW he is an elite football talent, thats healthy, and projects extremely well in this offense, and understand that his past variables that surrounded him, may of had something to do with his lack of touches and overall yards in a season. So for us, its pretty simple, sign the damn player now, before we have to compete with others for his services later.

And then others, They disregard all that, and wanna wait til he puts up fantasy stats

No guts...... no glory. ive been having this arguement for months.

What i find hilarious is that some keep talking about stats and potential still even though our front office has officially approached the player about an extension..hmmmm, i wonder if those who have been talkin about how we need to wait, truly understand who their debating.

 

I....I....aww hell, I love you because of this post, and I don't care who knows!!!!!!!!!!!



Seriously, great post.

 

And what gives you the inside track on the Patriots & Bill Belichek?

I am sure you are wrong in your analysis of Ronnie Brown as an Elite NFL RB, because the overwhelming majority of NFL coaches & front offices categorically disagree with you. even our own Franchise has withheld these accolades. there has been no mention of Ronnie Brown as an Elite RB. think about it.

Very simply put: after four years, it is not the consensus of opinion within the NFL that Brown is an Elite RB.
He is not even ranked in the top ten RB's in the NFL.

No doubt, in my mind, that he is an excellent RB, maybe, in 2009 he will become an elite RB
However, the Tandem is an elite running unit & the Stable is excellent.
If the Orca-5 achieve expectations this year, our running game will be a PowerHouse within the NFL today.
In the end that is what is ultimately important, to win games.
The rest will play out on its own & will be dealt with appropriately
by our very competent, relentless & unrevealing (elite) FrontOffice.

I am a Miami Dolphin Fan not a Groupie for any particular player

 

what was this based on? The fact he made the probowl?

 

based on:
I am sure the analysis of Ronnie Brown as an Elite NFL RB is wrong, because the overwhelming majority of NFL coaches & front offices categorically agree that he is not an Elite RB. Even our own Franchise has withheld these accolades, there has been no mention of Ronnie Briown as an Elite RB in our Front Office or among our coaches. Think about it.

Very simply put: after four years, it is not the consensus of opinion within the NFL that Brown is an Elite RB.
He is not even ranked within the top ten RB's in the NFL.

No doubt, in my mind, that he is an excellent RB, maybe, in 2009 he will become an elite RB
However, the Tandem is an elite running unit & the Stable is excellent.
If the Orca-5 achieve expectations this year, our running game will be a PowerHouse within the NFL.
In the end that is what is ultimately important, to win games.
The rest will play out on its own & will be dealt with appropriately
by our very competent, relentless & unrevealing (elite) FrontOffice.

I am a Miami Dolphin Fan not a Groupie for any particular member of the team.

Let them all compete.

 

This is more of one person's opinion and not a fact. It isn't known if it is a general consensus. All it is known is that fan votes are 33% of the probowl and 66% is players and coaches and he had enough of those 66% votes to make it into the probowl.

Plus I do not remember coaches and GM's throw out the word elite a lot. That is more of a fan thing.

 

it is what it is
Ronnie is very good but is no where near the top five elite in the NFL
fact is, he can't even break into the the top ten
this is all about Ronnie not how much you think of him
Maybe year-five will be the charm for Brown. I hope so.

my concern is that we run well enough to win games & I believe we will do just that
our Tandem is one of the best & our Stable excellent. if the Orca-5 live up to expectations, the running game will be awesome & we should be in the mix @ the end of the year.

 

it is what it is. You are acting like what you are saying is fact, when it is just hearsay and conjecture.

 

whatever...

however, it is what it is
Ronnie is very good but is no where near the top five elite in the NFL
fact is, he can't even break into the the top ten
this is all about Ronnie not how much you think of him
Maybe year-five will be the charm for Brown. I hope so.

My concern is that we run well enough to win games & I believe we will do just that
our Tandem is one of the best & our Stable excellent. if the Orca-5 live up to expectations, the running game will be awesome & we should be in the mix @ the end of the year.

can't make it so with words, he'll have to do something in 2009 to merit an elite status.
simple as that he'll have to be amongst the top five to be elite
the question to ask is who are the top five elite RB's in the NFL, without excuse or promise: who are they? Brown is not one of them.

 

Potential is a good word, IMO. He has the potential to be elite because of his size and speed, pass catching ability, and great blocking.