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  1. TiP54

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    10 Questions for Lorenzo Fertitta

    Sherdog did an iterview with L. Fertitta, the majority owner of UFC. He gave out some interesting information.

    Heres the link, while ill run thru some stuff.
    http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/1/10-Questions-for-Lorenzo-Fertitta-18516


    • He insist that he wants Fedor. He think the major problem with him is his manager (I have been saying that...) he thinks Fedor honestly doesnt even know what UFC is offering, and he says that he is willing to work something out with Sambo. He hopes to meet him personally after his affliction show, personally, not thru his manager.
    • THey are trying to come up with something like TUF for WEC on versus. Still in works, but i like the idea.
    • Cro cop has signed a 3 fight deal (Man, I am excited...I just love Cro Cop. He is not the same...but I love explosive kicks, and he is the man that delivers them...or at least used to.

    • He said that he isn't willing to deal with teammates not willing to fight
    • UFC will be back in Dublin for St.Patty's day (somebody should tell him that A) St.Pat wasnt Irish, and B) It isn't an actually holiday in Ireland (I think? Might be wrong) Oh, and they "penciled in" and event and Vancouver for next June...

    Great interview...I really hope UFC will sign Fedor (i still dont think they will, becuase his manager is a greedy Dbag) and im glad they signed Cro cop.
     
  2. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    i was completely fine with that Hendo did, ive seen fighters hit the ground, and its almost like when they hit the ground, it wakes them up. he has to make sure he finishs the fight, if he stops and bisping hits the ground and wakes up, the ref doesnt stop it, then DAN looks like a complete idiot.
     
  3. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Please get fedor!
     
  4. Skeet84

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    I completely agree. If your in a fight you take no chances and wait for the Ref to stop it. You pound the guy until he stops the fight
     
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  5. unluckyluciano

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    Hmmm from w hat I remember bisping was out on his feet. Hands dropped, legs going, had that **** me look in his eye. There is a huge difference between knocking a guy down and someone being out on their feet. I chalk up hendos punch to just adrenaline. Having said that the don't stop till the ref breaks it up if the guy is out, there should be some self restraint by the fighter.
     
  6. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Lesnar would get raped if he faces Fedor.
     
  7. SICK

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    dunno bout raped....fedor was losing to AA before he threw a lucky eyes closed over hand right that landed......and AA got raped by brett rogers......i would love to see the fight!
     
  8. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    I think as it stands now Lesnar doesn't have enough experience to take on Fedor. I want to see Shane Carwin vs Lesnar. Pretty much equal size. I would give Carwin the edge in striking.

    Also it was AA's fault for trying a flying knee in that situation. Fedor packs a lot of power in his punches.
     
  9. Section126

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    Lesnar just happens to be a spectacular athlete as compared to any of these other guys...and is also a GREAT wrestler. not good....GREAT.

    this "experience" argument has been flushed down the toilet.
     
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    http://www.mmamafia.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1182
     
  11. Skeet84

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    Your Nuts!!! (Get it? Buckeye nuts? funny huh?) Frank Mir is an amazing fighter who could give Fedor a good run for his money so saying Lesnar would be raped is crazy talk. Lesnar has an amazing skill set at his size. He does not have great submission or submission defense but his takedowns and ground and pound are some of the best in the UFC. He knows how to position himself and get his punches in. He learned alot from UFC 81
     
  12. BuckeyeKing

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    Hahaha maybe I went overboard with the whole getting raped but Fedor is quite the fighter.
     
  13. TiP54

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    Whats your definition of losing?
    Getting punched in his armpits?
    Show me a gif when Arlovski caught Fedor with a solid one. AA was fast, but was not landing anything significant.
     
  14. TiP54

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    I have not seen any "great" wrestling out of him yet.
    Yes, he won that NCAA tourney 10 years ago, and that is no small feat. But what has he shown in a fight that he has "great" Wrestling? It is obviously his strong point...but "great" ?
     
  15. JagsFan3223

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    Fedor is the baddest man on the Planet he has only lost once and that was because he got cheated. Lesnar's wouldn't beable to just over power Fedor...It would take a Tank to just over power Fedor.
     
  16. Big E

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    How about his ability to take people down at will? Or the fact that he gets on top of people and doesnt get off? That is wrestling skills. Christ what does this man have to do to get respect from you people? he beat Mir in the BEST shape of Mir's career. Mir has NEVER, and he's said so himself never trained this hard for a fight, and he still dominated him. He beat Randy C. Again it gets discredited by the fact that he's eighty. Its still Randy! He's still a legend and can still dominate alot of opponents. I'm so sick of hearing people say yeh but this, or yeh but that. He's the champion, he beat his opponents and he beat them convincingly, what makes you think he wouldn't honestly have a good shot at beating Fedor? Fedor is a great fighter, but so is Lesnar.
     
  17. unluckyluciano

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    he can stay on top because he's the size of a water buffalo and can create leverage. And he also lost to mir in the worst shape ofhis life. Lesnar has not show me he is well rounded. Watch fedor, then watch lesnar. Lesnar will be tough to beat, but a great fighter, the jury is still out on.
     
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  18. Nappy Roots

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    i dont think Fedor destroys Lesnar just based on size, strength and his ground and pound. but he would beat him without a doubt. Lesnar has yet to show anything 'great' besides his ground and pound. hes beat 2 good fighters, and Randy is over the hill, so who knows at that point. just because Lesnar is where hes at now doesnt mean we cant factor in his 5 total mma fights. to throw that out the window is ridiculous.
     
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  19. SICK

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    i hope fedor would beat brock....hes the greatest heavyweight to walk this planet.....brock just started training mma a few yrs ago
     
  20. Section126

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    Do you remember a guy ever having a 100% takedown record in his career?

    do you remember anybody ever blocking a lesnar takedown?

    so yeah...he's a GREAT wrestler.
     
  21. unluckyluciano

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    am I the only one that has seen, or thought he has seen, that lesnar drops his left when he is going to throw a punch?
     
  22. rafael

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    That's my complaint. I haven't seen any great wrestling skill. I watched his fight with Couture, and Lesner looked outclassed him as a wrestler and/or grappler. Lesner won but it was with a great strike that did it. Without that lucky hit Couture wins the decision easily. It was impressive b/c Lesner is clearly the better athlete. He's bigger, stronger and faster. Couture was controlling the fight though through technique. So I give Lesner the credit for winning, but I don't credit him with displaying any great wrestling technique or skill.
     
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  23. rafael

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    No, you're not. His striking is poor. He seems to lack retraction speed. And when he retracts he doesn't bring it back to a good protective position. He doesn't use combinations much and when he does his hands drop.

    Basically, he has many holes in his game, but he is big and strong and he's fast for his size. When you're bigger and stronger you can often get by with less skill, whether it's striking or grappling. So I would completely agree with someone who says that he is a difficult opponent and one of the toughest guys in the sport. But I think it's ridiculous for someone to argue that at this point he is a highly skilled or well rounded fighter.
     
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  24. JagsFan3223

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    Koscheck is gonna whoop Frank Trigg's *** at UFC 103
     
  25. unluckyluciano

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    thats my thoughts exactly. I watched just some clips of his fights and noticed it right away that he was dropping his left. Even when he threw his left and faked the right which is bizarre to me. I've never seen that.
     
  26. Dubfire

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    Huge MMA fan. Lesnar not so much. I'm with you Rafael and Lucky - I need to see more before I crown him the toughest heavyweight on the planet. Size is only going to take him so far. He still strikes like an amateur.
     
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  27. Skeet84

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    He can stay on top because he is strong and uses his body well. The fact that he is bigger is not everything and Frank Mir was only 20 pounds lighter so its not like he outweighs ppl by 100 ponds. Lesnar is not well rounded but he is amazing at the things he is good at.


    Fedor should not win because he has been in MMA longer. The best man will win like it should be



    Lesnar won with one great strike? Are you kidding? That was a very very even fight until the 2nd in which it looked like Brock was going to win the round. There are not lucky punches in MMA thats acuatlly a skill in which Lesnar trains. Lesnar wanted to stand up and not take him down
     
  28. SICK

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    right thats fedor.....
     
  29. SICK

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    so i saw this on an mma forum.......all the brock haters....explain to me this.....all iam hearing is "brock won cause he is so big"

    ok .....

    they both weighed almost exactly the same the first fight......so.....how did he lose?

    1st fight
    mirs skill > brocks size

    2nd fight
    mirs skills < brocks size AND skill

    brock is obviously getting better....and obviously winning with more than just "size"
     
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  30. unluckyluciano

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    Im sure he is but if he didn't think it had an advantage he wouldn't put the weight on correct?
     
  31. JagsFan3223

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    The sad part is if Dana doesn't get Fedor in here soon...Who else does Brock have to fight? Certainly not Couture or Nog...Carwin, Gonzaga, or Kongo? Oh and by the Way they put Gonzaga on the undercard at UFC 102, That is just not right.
     
  32. unluckyluciano

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    No one said he didn't learn from his mistake. Big difference though between learning from one mistake, and trying to become a more well rounded fighter. Thus far he has shown little to nothing on trying to become more rounded IMO.
     
  33. SICK

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    he learned from a mistake.....and didnt get caught again....but he dominated a former heavy weight champ in mir....who was in the absolute greatest shape of his life.....who spent over 60k to bring in the absolutle best trainers to offer.....and prepared at a un-heard of clip in his career.....and all some people can chalk it up as is "brock won cause of size" thats a joke.....tim silvia has way better stand up and is taller....and weighed the same as brock.....and mir broke his arm in half.....this size excuse is ridiculous....brock is beatable....hes been beat....and he will be again.....the fact is they will have to outsmart and use speed to beat him.....
     
  34. JagsFan3223

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    lol Comparing Broc to Tim Silvia is like comparing a Mummy to the Hulk.....Silvia was pretty much a boxer trying MMA
     
  35. SICK

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    but why isnt the size excuse used here?

    edit: to explain further.....brock is a big dude.....bigger than 265 on fight night.....he has one main fasset of his game....wrestling....


    same with silvia except with boxing.....so why isnt he dominating everyone based on size? maybe there was more to it??
     
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  36. BuckeyeKing

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    Carwin will win UFC104 and that will Be Brocks next match.

    Then If Lesnar wins I'm guessing Fedor if were lucky.
     
  37. Skeet84

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    If he can beat Brock than yes. We will have to see after its all said and done.

    Brock had little experience with someone of Mirs skills and Brock wasn't as careful as needed but he still dominated that fight.

    There is an advatage in stand up but on the ground you just don't hold someone on the grond cause you way 20 pounds more. The weight limit is 265 which Mir can weight so its not like its an unfair advatage.

    Brock will never be a submission guy but he is learning submission defense and worked really hard on that. He is good standiung up and has amazing takedown and takedown defense. He as well rounded as he will ever get but his skills will iomprove.


    If Brock fights Carwin next I would love to see Fedor v.s. Frank Mir. Frank Mir has already come out and said he could beat Fedor and I think that would be a classsic fight
     
  38. unluckyluciano

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    naw its more a joke to not admit that his style depends on his size and brute force. again what has he shown you to prove he is not just depending on size and brute force? Ill answer for you nothing, because he once again relied heavily on his size and brute force.
     
  39. unluckyluciano

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    I didn't see him improve his stand up. In fact I would say he relied on going to the ground because he knew mir is good at moving inside on fighters, see the nog fight, and mir did it to him a little bit, since brock has the reach. I would have been impressed had brock actually tried to keep mir on the outside on stand up but he let him in again.
    Try rolling on the ground with and extra 265 lbs, not just 20 lbs on top of you and tell me it doesn't get tiresome real quick.
     
  40. SICK

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    mir even said it after the fight.....brock took control of mirs wrists.....thats a BJJ expert getting controlled on the ground by a guy with a few years experience.....thats not all brute force.....thats technique and skills. ground skills. sure he can throw a guy on the ground and lay on him.....but im pretty sure mir can bench over 265......and iam pretty sure mir is strong as ****.....he can get out of side control......but brock was working very technicle from the ground.....look at his first fight, he spins around, walks around, keeps his hips squared etc etc.....obviously after more training and becoming more well-rounded.....he learned to control mir on the ground, not get caught in a bad position where mir can work his ground game (more subs than any heavy weight in history)

    i think people are underestimating mirs skills here.....saying brock not just beat but dominated mir by just shoving him down, pinning him down, and punching is ridiculous.......mir is a great not good....great mixed martial artist......give a little more credit to mir.....thus a little more credit for brocks annihilation
     

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