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What are you talking about? Brock is a world class wrestler. I dont know but last time I checked that was a "skill". He's a decent striker and is getting pretty damn good at ground and pound. History shows good wrestlers have solid careers in the UFC. Hughes, Coutore, Pierre.....Brock.

 

Dana White wont bring Fedor to the UFC to Take Lesnar down :smh:

 

I had no idea what happened after the fight when Lesnar came up to Mir. Couldn't hear it. That is ridiculous. I cannot stand it when guys showboat or whatever at the expense of their vanquished opponent. Glad to see he's apologized.

I like a guy who doesn't back down from a crowd, but that's just classless. 10000% prefer a guy like Rich Franklin, Anderson Silva or Fedor that are the picture of class and sportsmanship. Those are the examples that should be held up. And fortunately they are by the guys calling the action.

I agree that it's a fine line between entertainment and marginalizing the sport itself.

Have you not seen any of GSP's fights?

Only 6 of his 19 wins have gone he distance. And many of the ones that did were after his opponents showed big heart and hung on despite getting pounded into the ground (Koscheck, Fitch).

In addition to a 10 or so pound weight advantage, Alves is tremendous at getting off his back. You could see it every time Georges would get away from his legs and go for side control. Dude is ultra strong and Georges had to keep him down, as Alves strength is standing up and throwing. So he kept the man down and looked for submissions and GnP.

GSP is at or near the top of the mountain in virtually every facet of the game. As Rafael eloquently explained, the inexperienced eye will often see a guy laying on top of another guy when there's no striking going on from the ground. I'm certainly no expert, but after awhile you start to see these things and appreciate what's going on.

Also, if you're going to knock the strategy of tiring someone out and then beating them down, you'll have disdain for not only the vast majority of professional MMA fighters, but also boxing. And football. Remember the 2002 season, when it would be balls hot at Joe Robbie and Ricky would be pounding defenses into submission? They were exhausted, he wasn't, and they didn't want to hit him anymore.

The coaching staffs for the Miami Dolphins and Jacksonville Jaguars would love nothing more than to run the ball for the entire fourth quarter at tired defenses playing in the state of Florida.

 

Yeah, I heard what Brock said to Mir after the fight...weak. Hopefully Brock realizes he came off like a fool with his words and actions post fight....Maybe, just maybe Dana's "talk" wakes him up some.

I said in the UFC 100 thread...GSP is the Albert Pujols of MMA...he is a machine (even when you think you figured a way to stop him, he adjusts and re-dominates). Scary how he manipulated Alves into a fighter I had yet see him become in all his prior fights....thats what GSP does..he changes a fighters style it seems. Amazing to watch.

And GSP groin injury....when it comes to that abductor..."Depends on the tear and location. Tendon much worse than muscle. If bad enough he'll need surgery. Recovery? can be Six months."

That would be a shame.

 

Oh I didn't realize UFC fans were such children

Lol so stupid.

 

But his last two fights have both been the same.

 

He beat B.J. Penn into submission in his last fight. Beat the living hell out of him. Complete and utter domination. If you can't appreciate that performance, I don't know what I can say.

I think we have to take into account the injury as well. He got hurt in the third round and apparently it hurt him bad. We'll find out exactly how bad, but as mentioned above it could be mild to wild.

 

he's far from one dimensional. most of the current heavy weight class couldnt stand with him. now he knows submission defenses, and his take downs , ground control, and the obvious pounding from mount is incredible.

 

royce would struggle to win in 2009. everyone knows BJJs secrets, and everyone is multi-dimensional. that said, he has limited athleticism, which is now a huge part.

i think bruce lee would've excelled simply because of his athleticism and ability/willingness to adapt. royce and his family are married to one style.

 

St.Pierre is actually just awesome at takedowns. he has no amateur wrestling pedigree though(as far as i know). but i agree with your quote.

 

Yeah.
Taking the guy down and punching him in the face.

 

not going to defend Brock because i have no use for trash talking. and it just isnt necessary in MMA.

however no one is mentioning that Mir was very condescending, talking about catching Brock in a leg lock he learned in the first 3 weeks of MMA training, and making thinly veiled, classless remarks insinuating Lesnar was stupid.

same goes for Bisping, and his mouth directed and Hendo before the fight, if you watched the lead up show.

Mir ran his mouth as well before the fight. but it would've been alot better if Lesnar let his performance speak for itself.

 

He indeed has no amateur background, yet he's trained with Canadian Olympic wrestlers for years. He was actually preparing to compete for a spot on the 2008 Olympic team before taking the Matt Hughes fight on short notice (Serra got injured). They actually approached him.

 

He doesn't which makes his skill that much more impressive.

 

I've watched three of his fights and he didn't do any wrestling. Against Coutore, he looked completely outclassed until he got lucky punch in. So I've heard the rep that he's a world class wrestler, but I haven't seen it.

 

I disagree assuming it was with the skill level they had. I would like to think that Bruce Lee would have improved his technique if he lived today, but I watch his old film and some of his technique is nowhere near as good as Jet li's is in his films.

With Royce, he succeeded in part b/c his opponents didn't have a clue how to defend against him. That's not the case anymore. To extend the football analogy, there were some dominant one-dimensional running teams in the past but they wouldn't be dominant now. Now the successful teams have balance.

 

Agreed.

 

Ok, for some reason you have a problem. But I'll be polite. I don't want to get you "angry".

What does his last couple of fights have to do with anything? He went up against Rich Franklin, who was supposed to give him some competition, but he didn't. We all saw what happened. Bottom line, in UFC he's 9-0. He doesn't fight the best, but he beats who he fights. And when he destroys Griffin, then we will all know who is the best.

And really on the typo. That was obviously an accident. Don't come in here thinking you know everything. Everyone makes mistakes.

And I didn't say it takes skill. I said it gets the job done. Learn how to read.

 

Because I am obviously a very "angry" poster

In his last couple of fights, he did not look like "The Best Fighter in the UFC" He won snoozers, vs medicore fighters, while GSP shut down elite competition. Didin't just shut down, but took it to them, and beat the living crap out of them.

Sure they do. I do it all the time, but if you are going to discuss somebody in particular, do the decency of spelling their name right.

I never stated anywhere that you said that Brock has skills.
Looks like im not the one who needs reading lessons...

 

well lets hope we get a championship out of the Wild Cat before teams wise up!

 

Lets keep it civil and on topic guys. No need to get personal.

Thanks

 

That's why we got White; to make it a balanced attack.

 

I guess we'll see when he destroys Griffin.

Again, it was a typo. No need to make a big deal out of it.

You brought up the fact that he has no skills when I was talking about him getting the job done. Obviously, you were trying to say something there.

 

Can we not discuss pat white and WC at least here? ))

 

lol Everyone does realize this is a MMA Thread...So unless Pat White is jumping into the Octagon anytime soon, it doesn't need to be discussed here

 

omgdz two posts!!!!! Anarchy!! Anarchy!!

 

finally saw the Brock Lesnar post fight interview. that was in no way a WWE promo or interview. even the worst guys on the stick in WWE cut much better promos. and besides, those promos are scripted these days.

but, it was a really good look at what an immature human being Brock Lesnar is, apparently.

i also heard his apology, so we'll see moving forward, which one is really him. and after the Randy Couture fight, he was extremely gracious in victory toward Randy, so i am hoping that is the real Lesnar.

he hasn't done anything yet to be considered, by me at least, a bigger jerk than Tito Ortiz. no one seemed to mind his BS back when he was relevant.

either way it doesn't change the fact that he is going to be around for awhile. even if he loses the title, his raw power, wrestling ability and persona guarantee it.

i wonder who is next up in the HWT division? Cain Velazquez maybe??? i could see that guy giving him a fight, he can neutralize Brock's wrestling advantage, and is tough as hell, and throws bombs.

oh, and hadn't seen anyone mention that Couture and Nogueira are going to mix it up soon, too. looking forward to that fight, to see who still has a future in MMA.

 

My guess is that the winner of Couture vs. Nogueira will fight Lesnar next. Then they'll probably set up a Velasquez vs. Carwin to determine the #1 contender for whoever has the belt at the time.

I don't care if it's Carwin or Lesnar who does it, but I can't wait to see Velasquez get his *** kicked. I hate that bastard and his stupid "Brown Pride" tattoo on his chest. We don't need that kind of BS in MMA. If a white fighter had "White Pride" tattooed across his chest, he'd be labeled a racist and ostracised. That POS needs to get KTFO'd!

 

Nogueria needs to hang it up. He looked straight awful in his last fight.

 

Nog and Couture should be done...I mean I thought Couture was done after the Lesnar fight?

 

Velasquez vs. Carwin is confirmed for UFC 104 Oct. 24. The winner gets a title shot. Looks like Couture and Nogueira will have to wait a while...

 

Regardless of your feelings about Hendo or Bisping, I was not happy to see the second punch Hendo threw after he admittedly knew Bisping was already out. That to me is worse sportsmanship than Lesnar's silly antics (which he apologized for). I would like to see an apology from Hendo, as that is a lot more dangerous.

 

Hendo had every right to hit him again....you hit them until the Ref stops the fight

 

well in all fairness you could tell bisping was out right away his body went limp. Having said that I don't think hendo needs to apologize, it was one punch. I do think they should not go to the ref stops them always as thats how deaths in the ring happen. I think some personal responsibility is needed.

 

Lesner acted like a POS. I think he only apologized because Dana had a "whip the dog" talk with him.

No apology needed IMHO.

 

Wrong. A fighter's job is to go until the ref stops it. Henderson did exactly what he is supposed to do.

I would LOVE it if that happened to Bisping every fight. He talks a big game, but can't back up a word of it. He'll no doubt start talking smack about how "lucky" Henderson was, blah, blah, blah...

 

Dana White only had that talk with him because Lesnar insulted the biggest sponsor the UFC has.

White himself talks like an idiot on a regular basis. Remember the video he put on youtube of him talking about that female reporter? Unless he's a hipocrate, I gotta believe that White could care less about Lesnar getting in Mir's face and talking smack about him right after the fight. He only cares about the relationship with the sponsor.

Notice how Lesnar had that bottle of Bud Light on display during the press conference? I don't ever recall a bottle of beer sitting on the table during a post-fight press conference. The UFC seemed to be REALLY concerned about mending that fence...

 

I think Dana would just prefer that Brock not look like an idiot whenever there's a mic infront of him.

If people turn on Lesnar then Dana loses a lot of hype for one of his champions.

 

Any hype is good hype. If people hate the champion, then they'll buy PPV's to see him get his *** kicked.

Having your HW champ talk smack about your biggest sponsor can potentially cost the company a LOT of money.