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He did have a good season. But it's hard to watch him play. He's just dumb even for NBA standards.

 

Kaman is beyond dumb. Sometimes I wonder if his head has more air in it then the ball has.

 

All I want to know is what the hell is wrong with the Pacers? I know the hoosiers were all white on the movie but does Larry really have to remake the movie with the Pacers? Tyler at 13 is a joke! Its almost as bad as taking a punt returner at 9...ALMOST...

 

I think if Vince is your goto guy and 1st option you're not a serious contender but if he's the 2nd or 3rd option and is happy with that he's going to be a great player to have. He is a huge risk with that contract if the Magic don't win the title in a year or two this was a stupid move for sure. I don't know, I think there was probably a better trade to be made out there for them, I don't like all or nothing moves like this, the success ratio on them is pretty low. If they lose Hedo in the process its a disaster IMO. I honestly think the Magic just need another year playing together and maybe another role player, I'm not sure why they thought they had to make a huge splash like this.

 

How is it "all or nothing"? The trade was nearly straight up Lee for Carter, and Lee wasn't even likely to start for us next season. He was a bright spot we could look forward to in the future, but Lee does not bring to the table what Carter does - and it so happens this(shot creation) was our biggest problem in all of our losses. Lee still has a lot of learning to do, this cannot be said about Vince.

Carter is also hungry for a championship, and for anyone who thinks that is merely a misnomer, look at Boston from 2 season ago...

 

Its all or nothing because a move like this means you have no salary cap room, the Magic have no flexibility, its this team for a couple of years and if they don't get a title out of it, then it was a nothing move. I think the Magic were good enough to compete for the title without Vince, they showed that this year but now they might not be any better but they are stuck with a crazy contract with Vince's deal. What if this makes them lose Hedo?

 

That deal makes more sense than Vince's contract, I'd rather have Hedo at this point in both of their careers.

 

I wouldnt. Push comes to shove VC is the better player. He was unmotivated ala a Randy Moss in Oakland. I think we will see a different VC in Orlando.

 

LOCKED in for THREE MORE YEARS at 15 million per.

 

it makes it worse when you couple it with Rashard's contract and the contract you have to give Jameer Nelson pretty soon.

it is salary cap death. for 3 years though.

 

But if they get a ring, its worth it right? But...we'll see.

 

It's always worth it when you get a ring.

 

Actually 2 with a team option in the third year.

 

The key word being if.

 

Well yeh, of course it is. But I have to be honest with you. I am more impressed with this move then I am with the Shaq trade. IMO Shaq was signed to try to keep Bron happy for a yr or two get him to resign maybe and then Shaq retires and Bron probably still is ringless. Giving up Lee was risky, he has a ton of potential. But it worked for the Celtics, why not the Magic? Look what the Celtics gave up for KG. Al Jefferson is going to be a stud for years and years. But, the celtics, like the Magic were dedicated to winning NOW/ And Hedo wasn't really an option anymore for them. He made it clear he wasn't going to resign. And remember all the knocks on KG in Minnesota? Same knocks you hear about Carter. Competition brings out the best in players, losing brings out the worst. Look at his history on teams. When he's surrounded by talent he excels, when he's not he carries the load but his teams dont win.

 

That's not right. It's two more years at an average of $16.8M. There's a team option after that for $18M. Source

In any case, I like that deal for Orlando. Carter has one of the most frustrating on-off switches in the NBA, but he's a great fit for that team. He's an upgrade over Turkoglu, save for Turkoglu's knack for late-game daggers.

 

To me, the problem with Turkoglu is Rashard Lewis, they both do the same job IMO, neither will drive to the hoop particularly well, and the Magic just did not have anyone who could fill that role.

And pay no mind to Sect, the Heat's owners is a cheapskate who uses the salary cap like a shield, supposedly D Wade was making some noise about all the upgrades in the East and the Heat did...nothing...they were up against the cap you see...and that "luxury tax" is something the owner really believes in.

How convenient for him.

 

good looking out...his contract page says 3....the details go further.

 

what a pile of ****.

you don't even believe that crap.

Arison just believes in going into the luxury tax for certain players. Not every minor upgrade that doesnt; accomplish anything.

ANY team in the league would WISH they had the Heat's front office. (maybe SA is the exception)

jealousy. just plain and simple.

kiss our ***.

 

BTW Padre...the Heat is so cheap that they paid 2 million dollars in cash to trade up to get Chalmers last year...and then paid another 1.5 million in cash to trade up a few spots to take beverly in this years draft.

yeah...cheap.

want to compare payrolls over the last 15 years Orlando vs. Miami? we can do that too.

 

Hmm...look up ahead Sect, that is the Cavs, Magic and Hawks pulling far out ahead of the Heat this upcoming season...

As for the salary cap..please, you yourself pointed out that the owner was one of the proponents of the luxury tax and didn't want to violate it..

D Wade knows that and commented on it, all the Heat's competition got better, the Heat did -0-.

 

and that is gonna matter how much when the Heat has the most cap space in the league in 2010?

yeah...exactly.

your thesis of the heat being cheap has ZERO truth to it as well...as demonstrated.

 

3.5 mil? The knicks paid 3 mil just to use the #29 pick.

Sad fact is, in the NBA the teams who have had success have made a big trade to move on up, very very few teams that stand pat improve enough to win the Title.

 

BTW..I already told you what Arison's philosophy is concernign the luxury tax.

It is all up to Riley. If Riley thinks a player is worth it....we go into the tax.

 

Using the Knicks as an example of FO prowess is not usually a recommended practice.

as for the bolded part.....

except the Heat..who compiled cap space and used it to bring in the pieces to eventually build a champion.


that is strike TWO padre.

 

Cap Space? I've never seen cap space snatch a rebound..

And isn't D Wade's contract expire in 2010? They do have the exception and can pay more the other teams, but D Wade may move along simply because they've stopped trying to win the title by making moves.

 

Please, the Heat are outside of the top three teams in the Eastern Conference, Cap Space doesn't win games, players do, look at the Lakers or the Heat, look how they got to the Title game, it weren't via drafting, and it weren't via standing pat in the offseason.

 

we "stopped trying to win"? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He isn;t going to take 30 million less to pay more taxes and play in an inferior situation.

I think that would be strike THREE.

 

I don't really see how the Magic and Hawks improved this offseason? The magic added Vince Carter and will probably lose Hedo. That is a wash, or a slight advantage for Vince, until you factor in that you lost Battie(a dependable backup), Rafer (a good backup PG) and Lee (a good young player).

Hawks added Crawford, who doesn't really give them much besides scoring which is what flip murray did. Crawford is a slight addition and if they let Bibby walk and make Crawford for the PG IMO that is a downgrade as Crawford can not run an offnese (he's an ideal 6th man off the bench).

Now saying that, so far the heat haven't improved much this offseason so far(but they were so young they really just need time to let their young guys improve). I don't see how the Hawks or Magic pulled away from anyone, if anything they all stayed the same.

On the same note there were other teams that have improved that the Heat/Magic/Hawks need to watch for like the Wizards (if they ever land a big man they could be among the favorites for the EC) and 76ers.

 

WRONG.

The Lakers got rid of a salary slot (SHAQ) that they turned into 3 other slots...of which they dropped two of and added another 10 million that they used int he Gasol trade.

Orlando signed Rashard after standing pat for 3 off seasons to clear enough space to use a MAX. Howard was drafted.

How the **** do you think these teams were built if not for STANDING PAT?

Strike FOUR.

 

Wow, your right, it really was the Heat in Magic uniforms last week, how could I not have seen that...

You've made no moves, every other team that matters has, you tell me.

Depends, the Heat have not been very good for awhile now, I guess they were developing "cap space", and players are funny some of them want to win titles.

Heat will be lucky to make it to the second round next season, they just don't have the firepower to get past Boston and Cleveland and the Magic let alone the Hawks.

 

The Magic needed someone who could penetrate and create, Hedo's game was similar to Lewis's, Carter will provide what the Magic need to stay competitive.

Quality depth, the Heat added no one.

IMO the Hawks pulled even with the Heat, the Magic are only slightly behind Boston with a healthy Garnett in the line up.

The Wiz are a mystery, to me they look like a team full of shooters.

 

"Haven;t been good for a while now"?

we won a god damn championship in 2006. we had a ONE YEAR REBUILD. yeah...ONE YEAR.

How much faster did you want us to rebuild?

The WHOLE POINT is too stand pat. I have been saying that in the Heat thread for 2 years now. In 2010 we have a chance to leave everybody else FAR behind.

You seem to not understand that we are not building to win a championship NEXT year.

We want to just hang around and maybe make the second round.

THEN add a MAX player to our YOUNG nucleus that ALREADY contains either the BEST or at WORST the 3rd best player in the WORLD.

The WORST thing we can do is break up what we got now to add a player NOW.

We will get rid of the rest of east soon enough. I am patient enough to wait one more year. So is Riley.

Strike whatever.

 

Nope.

But unlike the Heat, they stayed competitive, which is something one seems to choose not to recognize, a good team can shuffle people out and still win games, a mediocre one does not.

I would say the Magic improved because D howard improved and they traded for Alston who practically saved their season...IE...they made a move to stay competitive.

They did not "stand pat" they made moves while staying highly competitive, the Heat stand pat and aren't that competitive.

Look at the Celtics, they made moves and won the Title, ditto the Lakers, SA just traded for Jefferson, the Rockets made moves as well, that is how you win in the NBA the "develop our guys" is sort of for suckers Sect.

 

You also seem to forget that by just getting OLDER...the Heat get better.