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Patriots "Dynasty"

Discussion in 'AFC East Rivals' started by anlgp, Apr 18, 2009.

  1. anlgp

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    We all know the season two years ago. 18-1. How perfect.

    We also know brady was out last season and they went 11-5 and missed the playoffs.

    The last time they won was in 2005.

    Is the dynasty over?

    Keep this in mind. They have roughly two teams worth of draft picks in the upcoming draft and their defense can get young and good in a hurry... with that being said; I believe they'll have to fight for the AFCE instead of just walking over us now.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Depends a ton on Brady and their drafting. If Brady pulls a Culpepper and never makes it back that would hurt them very very badly.
    They have tons of picks here as well, but they will have tons of FAs next year, so they must hit on the majority of picks to replace their age and the FAs to be.

    I wouldnt say its over, but they are no longer THE dominant team out there. The rest of the league has caught up a bit and they have come down a few steps.

    I think the Patriots should be one of the favorites to win the SB unless Brady is clearly not fine, but I dont think there is any one team that is heads and tails above the rest of the league.
     
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  3. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    It doesn't matter if you draft young, it's what you draft.
     
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  4. screamer

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    I just don't like the idea of the Pats having so many picks! With that many picks i'm expecting them to move up and grab someone special that they are eye balling!
     
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  5. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    The field goal dynasty ended when they got rid of Vinatieri. They are doomed
     
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  6. Xeticus

    Xeticus Junior Member

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    Their dynasty is running out of time. Brady is getting older, their lb corps is really creaky, Randy Moss and Joey Galloway are near to the end of their careers. They have a couple years left. But their dynasty is tied to Brady. When he stops performing at a high level the show is over for them.
     
  7. bbqpitlover

    bbqpitlover Well-Known Member

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    The real question is New England a true dynasty? Let us remember in those years of winning Superbowls by no more than 3 points, it was revealed they were spying on other team signals and watching other teams walk throws. So I would say the Patriots will be remembered as spygate even at 18-1.
     
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  8. Xeticus

    Xeticus Junior Member

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    Whatever the reason, whatever the measly point difference you can't argue with their success. It's a dynasty we can't argue that. What we can hope is that it's over and our turn to claim the throne.
     
  9. opfinistic

    opfinistic Braaaaains!

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    I've been saying the Dynasty is done since 2001. One day I'll be right dammit! :mad:
     
  10. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Imagine them with Tebow running a Wildcat.
     
  11. anlgp

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    No thanks.
     
  12. JDelenne

    JDelenne Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I would CRY if Tebow goes to the Pats, not because I think Tebow is a great NFL QB (I actually think that Tebow will have almost no NFL career) but just because i'm a Gators Fan it would be like seeing one of our own Dolphins goin to the Pats
     
  13. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The Patriots are NOT a dynasty.

    They won the SB in 2001
    They failed to make the playoffs in 2002.
    They won back-to-back SB's in 2003 and 2004.
    No SB victories and only one AFC Championship appearance since 2004.

    Dynasties don't fail to reach the playoffs. Dynasties don't lose the Superbowl, either. I would argue that the Pats were an amazingly dominant team in 2003 and 2004. And that is it. You need to dominate for an extended period of time to be a dynasty. They were a great team that caught some breaks in 2001. They dominated from 2002-2003. They had one season for the ages in 2007, but they lost the Superbowl. Dynasties don't lose Superbowls.
     
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  14. cnc66

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  15. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Not sure what you mean by singling out Brandon Merriweather there; he played really well last year.
     
  16. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Their dynasty has been over.
     
  17. RBrown23

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    Their dynasty might start up again because they can pretty much draft a whole entire team next draft with all of their picks.
     
  18. dolphindebby

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    I am just sick of the whole dynasty, brady, bellicheat junk.
    You would think their the only team in the nfl.
    Their payback is coming----soon!
     
  19. pennphinfan

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    I just like how on NFL live today they had a whole segment on the return of brady, and they guys were talking about his biggest hurdle being able to handle the pressure in the pocket, when bodies are flying around. and the comment was "how is he gonna react when james harrison is coming around the corner?"- how quickly they forget the WE won the division and will be playing Pittsburgh, and not the pats
     
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    The 2001-present dynasty is far from over. Other than a couple of hiccups (Pennington's glorious 2002 campagin and Brady getting hurt in 2008), the Patriots have owned the AFC East, AFC and NFL. They will continue to do so in 2009. Both our teams will once again be taking a back seat to New England. If they lost more than 3 games the entire season this year I'd be shocked. I already have bets down on them winning the division.
     
  21. sking29

    sking29 What it takes to be cool

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    I agree with a healthy Brady they should win the division but I think the division is the strongest it has been since the "dynasty" started. Seriously, can you name one bad team in the division?...because I can't at least not the way they have been in the past. Remember Miami was 1-15 in 2007, the Jets 4-12, and the Bills 7-9...so a weak division and can you tell me honestly that all those teams aren't better now?

    Do I think with a healthy Brady they are the best team in the AFC East?...yes; in the AFC...behind the Steelers yes; in the whole NFL...behind the Steelers and few others. However will they just blow through their schedule and have no problems like 2007?...no. The AFC East is better now than in 2007 and between 6 games they will lose at least once. Plus knee injuries can be hard to come by and who knows losing McDaniels could hurt them. Will I bet against the Pats being good and making a run at the Super Bowl?...no because I do think they are definitely a top 10 team and a Super Bowl contender. However a lot can happen and I won't crown them yet simply because they do have flaws and injuries can happen.

    Also the same schedule that everyone has killing the Fins will also be played by the Pats, so that will hurt them.
     
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  22. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You don't win any prizes for racking up regular-season wins. Dynasties win Superbowls.

    The Pats last won a Superbowl in 2004. Their supposed "dynasty" ended then. Five years ago.
     
  23. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I hate the Pats!!! Kill them this Sunday!
     
  24. rafael

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    IMO NE was clearly a dynasty. Winning three SBs in four years is by itself a dynasty. What I'm not sure is if the dynasty ended with that last SB win or not. They did have that great 2007 season but lost at the end. If they had won I think it would be considered part of the same dynasty. But since they lost and then followed it up with a less than dominant season I don't know. I don't see them as dominant anymore. They are still among the elite teams but are no longer the best. Ultimately, the next few SBs will determine how that dynasty will be looked at. Right now I would say that Indy or Pitt has the inside track on becoming the next dynasty.
     
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  25. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Ehh, the scary "field goal" dynasty? Weakest so called dynasty ever. It shouldnt even be called the Patriots "dynasty" More Like the Adam Vinatieri dynasty. And since they got rid of him they havent won anything. Bunch of cheating chumps. ooooh we won by three points. we're a dynasty. lol
     
  26. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Looking back at the dynasties in the SB era I think you have six or seven of them.

    Green Bay won those first two SBs and had been dominant prior to that. I'm not sure when it began but it ended in '68 after their last SB win.

    Miami's dynasty went from '71 through '74. They appeared in three SBs and won two. They were still dominant in '74 but lost in the playoffs. In '75 they were still good but lost the division and then disappeared when they were gutted by the WFL.

    Pitt was the next dynasty going from '76 through '81. They won four SBs during that time.

    SF was a dynasty from '82 through '90. They won four SBs during those eight years. They started it off with a surprising season, winning the division by a tie breaker and then winning the SB on the last drive. Then they spread out their SB wins winning about every four years before winning back to back in '89 and '90. They were a few years in there where they didn't win their division and they might have even missed the playoffs once but they were generally considered the dominant team of that time.

    It could be argued that their dynasty didn't end until '98 since they were a great team through that season and they did win another SB in '95 but that felt like a different team with a new QB and I will arbitrarily say that 4 years between SB wins is the cut off.

    Then Dallas won their 3 SBs in 4 years from '92 through '96.

    Then New England won their 3 SBs in 4 years from '01 through '05. I think that how history will define their dynasty. I think the '07 season will just be seen as a great year. And while it had the same coach and QB, it won't be seen as part of their dynasty. Much like SF's run they have generally been seen as a dominant team for longer than their SB run but IMO it doesn't continue to be a dynasty without the SB wins. I think the only way history will include '07 as part of their dynasty is if they were to win another SB this year or next.



    I didn't include the Broncos back to back wins as a dynasty even though they were good from '95 through '99. But that was an arbitrary call and they certainly could have been included.

    The Bills could be also considered an AFC dynasty from '90 through '94.
     
  27. GARDENHEAD

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    They didn't even make the playoffs in 2002!!! NO DYNASTY!!!
     
  28. like2god

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    A win is a win, score is irrelevant when you're holding the Lombardi over your head.

    I think the Pats were a dynasty during their SB run and they still have that potential. They are a threat to win the SB every year with their talent, that shouldn't be dismissed.
     
  29. rafael

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    I disagree. Dynasties is all about winning championships. Having the occasional bad season doesn't trump the SB wins. It didn't when Pitt missed the playoffs in '80. And I haven't gone season by season but I would guess that a few of those other teams most people consider dynasties had the occasional bad season too.
     
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  30. GARDENHEAD

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    A dynasty is all about being dominant for a long stretch of time + winning championships.

    No one can argue that the 2002 Pats were dominant. They just weren't. Dynasties don't have to win consecutive championships (like the San Antonio Spurs), but they at least have to make the playoffs in the years they don't win it all.
     
  31. Dolphins1Beatles

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    It's technically 2004 the last time they won the SB. The game was played in Feb '05, but counts as the 2004 super bowl since it was the 2004 season.

    I don't know if it's over, but we're building ours in a similar way it seems. They won't be dominating the division. Not that they ever dominated us, for some reason we've been able to make Brady have some of his worst games(thanks JT!), but I'm sure the Fins will challenge more for the actual division title. And sadly, the Jets probably will too.
     
  32. Stringer Bell

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    The Patriots over the last 9 years have been as successful as any team in NFL history over a 9 year stretch.
     
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  33. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    many teams have done better. they are barely worth mentioning other than as a footnote or asterik type of team
     
  34. like2god

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    If the Dolphins won 3 SB's in 4 years and missed the playoffs in between, I'm pretty sure you would consider them a dynasty. I understand the dislike for everything Patriots, but give credit where it's due.
     
  35. Stringer Bell

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    You will not find another team that had 97 wins over 8 seasons.
     
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  36. rafael

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    The Steelers were still considered a dynasty even though they missed playoffs in '80 and no one would argue they were dominant that year.
     
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  37. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    them and the 80s Bills can congratulate each other. the 49ers had the same type of regular season record and came away with more rings and legitimate domination than either of those two sucker organizations. noone ever questioned the 49ers dynasty tag. noone ever accorded an asterik to their so called dynasty. they didnt squeak by in their SBs. They destroyed the competition like champions and dynasties are supposed to do. I sure as hell hope when its our turn to hoist the trophy it will come after an *** whoopin rather than a squeaker
     
  38. like2god

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    Like I pointed out before, whether you win by 1 or 100, you won the game. All that matters is holding the trophy in the end, and the Pats did that 3 out of 4 years.

    If the Phins won 3 SB's in 4 years (missing the playoffs in between) and only won each game by one point, is that a dynasty? Because we didn't blow out the competition, should we be less proud of the accomplishment?
     
  39. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    the only thing that matters is going undefeated in a complete year from regular season to playoffs to championship. :shifty: that is domination, that is something to brag about. Winning a championship when there have been 80 or so champions is irrelevant. The Buccaneers and Bears each won a SB. Noone talks about the Tampa SB because it was utterly forgettable. People to this day talk about the 1985 Chicago Bears because it was a year of domination that was capped by domination. So it does matter how you win if you want a prominent place in the history books

    so yes if we just squeak out SBs we cant brag. we will have to have at least one blowout victory to prove our greatness. otherwise we are just one of many, nothing special
     
  40. FinSane

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    The cowboys of the 70s should be included as well, they traded barbs with the steelers and raiders.
     
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