For the sake of not holding up votes, I've fixed the totals here. This is correct now: Chad Henne [16] Chad Pennington [56] Davone Bess [17] Ted Ginn [16] Ronnie Brown [78] Will Allen [12] Ricky Williams [13] Yeremiah Bell [20] Patrick Cobbs [7] Joey Porter [29] Kendall Langford [13] Vernon Carey [14] Jake Long [70] Anthony Fasano [11] Greg Camarillo [11] Jason Ferguson [5] Phillip Merling [10] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [23] Jason Taylor [17]
Sun Tzu's Art of War speaks of this. Never Underestimate Your Enemy. Attack Your Enemy's Strength and Make it a Weakness. We're applying both here ... and hopefully this gives you a glimpse as to why.
I'm calling a prediction right now: The Ginn mafia will be so bitter when Ginn's eliminated, that they'll then turn their votes against someone popular like Ronnie Brown, Chad Pennington, or Jake Long. My guess: Ronnie Brown. We'll see if they stoop to this level of "revenge", but I won't be surprised.
Chad Henne [16] Chad Pennington [56] Davone Bess [17] Ted Ginn [16] Ronnie Brown [77] --- Will Allen [12] Ricky Williams [13] Yeremiah Bell [20] Patrick Cobbs [7] Joey Porter [29] Kendall Langford [13] Vernon Carey [14] Jake Long [71] +++ Anthony Fasano [11] Greg Camarillo [11] Jason Ferguson [5] Phillip Merling [10] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [23] Jason Taylor [17]
I was actually planning on posting photos of an alleged Paul 13 & Vengeful Odin sex scandal.... It's really up to you guys, though....
I knew hiring that photographer was a bad idea ... He said you just wanted them for private use though GIK ... you perv ...
That's IF Ted Ginn is eliminated. I'm not counting out the TGM till Ginn is sitting at 0. When Gish wakes up or gets done doing whatever it is he does during the day, I have no doubt he'll be working the scenes with PMs, trying to recruit new henchmen, spewing Ginn propaganda to anyone who will listen. "Never stop fighting till the fight is done." "Don't wait for it to happen. Don't even want it to happen. Just watch what does happen." BTW, I watched The Untouchables again last night.
The general public can decide what to do with Mr. Henne. And if you don't like the way they are voting, perhaps you should take it up with them.
Chad Henne [16] Chad Pennington [56] Davone Bess [17] Ted Ginn [15] --- Ronnie Brown [77] Will Allen [12] Ricky Williams [13] Yeremiah Bell [20] Patrick Cobbs [7] Joey Porter [29] Kendall Langford [13] Vernon Carey [14] Jake Long [71] Anthony Fasano [11] Greg Camarillo [11] Jason Ferguson [5] Phillip Merling [10] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [23] Jason Taylor [18] +++
Chad Henne [16] Chad Pennington [56] Davone Bess [17] Ted Ginn [14] ---- Ronnie Brown [78] +++ Will Allen [12] Ricky Williams [13] Yeremiah Bell [20] Patrick Cobbs [7] Joey Porter [29] Kendall Langford [13] Vernon Carey [14] Jake Long [71] Anthony Fasano [11] Greg Camarillo [11] Jason Ferguson [5] Phillip Merling [10] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [23] Jason Taylor [18]
Chad Henne [16] Chad Pennington [56] Davone Bess [17] Ted Ginn [13] ---- Ronnie Brown [79] +++ Will Allen [12] Ricky Williams [13] Yeremiah Bell [20] Patrick Cobbs [7] Joey Porter [29] Kendall Langford [13] Vernon Carey [14] Jake Long [71] Anthony Fasano [11] Greg Camarillo [11] Jason Ferguson [5] Phillip Merling [10] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [23] Jason Taylor [18]
Chad Henne [16] Chad Pennington [56] Davone Bess [17] Ted Ginn [14]+ Ronnie Brown [79] Will Allen [12] Ricky Williams [13] Yeremiah Bell [20] Patrick Cobbs [7] Joey Porter [29] Kendall Langford [13] Vernon Carey [14] Jake Long [71] Anthony Fasano [11] Greg Camarillo [11] Jason Ferguson [4]- Phillip Merling [10] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [23] Jason Taylor [18]
Chad Henne [16] Chad Pennington [56] Davone Bess [17] Ted Ginn [14] Ronnie Brown [80] +++ Will Allen [12] Ricky Williams [13] Yeremiah Bell [20] Patrick Cobbs [7] Joey Porter [29] Kendall Langford [13] Vernon Carey [14] Jake Long [71] Anthony Fasano [11] Greg Camarillo [11] Jason Ferguson [3]--- Phillip Merling [10] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [23] Jason Taylor [18] I wont vote against Ginn until theres no one left on the board that deserves to be higher than him, but I wont vote for him either.
Nothing wrong with that logic at all. Problem is if we all took that approach, Ginn would have 150 points right now and be unbeatable by the time his logical exit to the competition came.
Chad Henne [16] Chad Pennington [56] Davone Bess [17] Ted Ginn [15] + What is with all of the hate? Ronnie Brown [80] Will Allen [12] Ricky Williams [13] Yeremiah Bell [20] Patrick Cobbs [6] - 3rd stringers shouldn't last this long Joey Porter [29] Kendall Langford [13] Vernon Carey [14] Jake Long [71] Anthony Fasano [11] Greg Camarillo [11] Jason Ferguson [3] Phillip Merling [10] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [23] Jason Taylor [18]
Chad Henne [16] Chad Pennington [55] -------- Davone Bess [17] Ted Ginn [16] +++++++ Ronnie Brown [80] Will Allen [12] Ricky Williams [13] Yeremiah Bell [20] Patrick Cobbs [6] Joey Porter [29] Kendall Langford [13] Vernon Carey [14] Jake Long [71] Anthony Fasano [11] Greg Camarillo [11] Jason Ferguson [3] Phillip Merling [10] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [23] Jason Taylor [18]
Chad Henne [16] Chad Pennington [55] Davone Bess [17] Ted Ginn [17] +++++++ Ronnie Brown [79] - Will Allen [12] Ricky Williams [13] Yeremiah Bell [20] Patrick Cobbs [6] Joey Porter [29] Kendall Langford [13] Vernon Carey [14] Jake Long [71] Anthony Fasano [11] Greg Camarillo [11] Jason Ferguson [3] Phillip Merling [10] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [23] Jason Taylor [18]
Chad Henne [16] Chad Pennington [55] Davone Bess [17] Ted Ginn [16] - Ronnie Brown [80] Will Allen [12] Ricky Williams [13] Yeremiah Bell [20] Patrick Cobbs [6] Joey Porter [29] Kendall Langford [13] Vernon Carey [14] Jake Long [72] + Anthony Fasano [11] Greg Camarillo [11] Jason Ferguson [3] Phillip Merling [10] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [23] Jason Taylor [18]
Post #1347 has Ronnie Brown with 80, but it should be 79. Fixing here: Chad Henne [16] Chad Pennington [55] Davone Bess [17] Ted Ginn [16] Ronnie Brown [79] Will Allen [12] Ricky Williams [13] Yeremiah Bell [20] Patrick Cobbs [6] Joey Porter [29] Kendall Langford [13] Vernon Carey [14] Jake Long [72] Anthony Fasano [11] Greg Camarillo [11] Jason Ferguson [3] Phillip Merling [10] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [23] Jason Taylor [18]
Chad Henne [16] Chad Pennington [55] Davone Bess [17] Ted Ginn [16] Ronnie Brown [79] Will Allen [12] Ricky Williams [13] Yeremiah Bell [20] Patrick Cobbs [5] -------- Joey Porter [29] Kendall Langford [13] Vernon Carey [14] Jake Long [72] Anthony Fasano [11] Greg Camarillo [11] Jason Ferguson [3] Phillip Merling [10] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [24] +++++++ Jason Taylor [18]
Chad Henne [16] Chad Pennington [55] Davone Bess [17] Ted Ginn [15] - I love Ginn, but for the good of the contest he's got to go. Ronnie Brown [79] Will Allen [12] Ricky Williams [13] Yeremiah Bell [20] Patrick Cobbs [5] Joey Porter [29] Kendall Langford [13] Vernon Carey [14] Jake Long [72] Anthony Fasano [11] Greg Camarillo [12] + Saved our season in 07. Deserves to stick around a bit longer. Jason Ferguson [3] Phillip Merling [10] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [24] Jason Taylor [18]
Chad Henne [17] +++ because I can Chad Pennington [55] Davone Bess [17] Ted Ginn [14]--- because I have... Ronnie Brown [79] Will Allen [12] Ricky Williams [13] Yeremiah Bell [20] Patrick Cobbs [5] Joey Porter [29] Kendall Langford [13] Vernon Carey [14] Jake Long [72] Anthony Fasano [11] Greg Camarillo [12] Jason Ferguson [3] Phillip Merling [10] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [24] Jason Taylor [18]
Chad Henne [17] Chad Pennington [56] + 1-15 to 11-5 on his arm. Davone Bess [17] Ted Ginn [13] - I love Ginn, but for the good of the contest he's got to go. Ronnie Brown [79] Will Allen [12] Ricky Williams [13] Yeremiah Bell [20] Patrick Cobbs [5] Joey Porter [29] Kendall Langford [13] Vernon Carey [14] Jake Long [72] Anthony Fasano [11] Greg Camarillo [12] Jason Ferguson [3] Phillip Merling [10] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [24] Jason Taylor [18]
Chad Henne [17] Chad Pennington [56] Davone Bess [17] Ted Ginn [12] ---- I love Ginn, too, but for the good of the contest he's got to go. Ronnie Brown [79] Will Allen [12] Ricky Williams [13] Yeremiah Bell [20] Patrick Cobbs [5] Joey Porter [29] Kendall Langford [13] Vernon Carey [14] Jake Long [72] Anthony Fasano [11] Greg Camarillo [12] Jason Ferguson [3] Phillip Merling [10] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [25] ++++++++ Jason Taylor [18]
It has nothing to do with hate. He just shouldn't be the overall winner in our opinion and this is the only way to make sure he isn't.
Correct. I loves me some Ginn. Got to combat the "ballot-stuffing" mafia, with equal/greater ballot-stuffing to thwart theirs. They flexed their muscle last year. It will be dealt with this time.
With guys like Cobbs, Henne and Merling still on the board, does it make sense to remove our best WR from last year?
When there is an organized group voting in concerted action for him with every vote that will vote him into an insurmountable lead, yes it makes sense, even if he is our best WR. I don't disagree, but I think it's certainly up for debate. Probably worth mentioning that there were games where Cobbs made more of an impact receiving than Ginn did. Not saying that makes him a better receiver, but it might explain why Cobbs is still on the list.
Thanks With guys like Cobbs, Henne, Merling and Camarillo still on the board, does it make sense to remove our best WR from last year?
Chad Henne [17] Chad Pennington [56] Davone Bess [17] Ted Ginn [11] ---- I dont like Ginn....its personal. Ronnie Brown [79] Will Allen [12] Ricky Williams [13] Yeremiah Bell [20] Patrick Cobbs [5] Joey Porter [29] Kendall Langford [13] Vernon Carey [14] Jake Long [72] Anthony Fasano [11] Greg Camarillo [12] Jason Ferguson [3] Phillip Merling [10] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [25] Jason Taylor [19]+