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First really meaty look at new "Star Trek"

Discussion in 'TV, Music and Movies' started by DrAstroZoom, Oct 16, 2008.

  1. gafinfan

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  2. Soundwave

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    depends on wether you want them to die in their sleep or made a bloody example of.

    end result is the same IMHO
     
  3. Miamian

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    Okay, another option is the Obsidian Order, but they don't exist anymore, or they won't exist anymore, or...

    I'm confused!

    :no:
     
  4. finattic79

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    Just got back from seeing the movie. Was AWESOME!!! Might be an understatement, but I really enjoyed it. There were some changes that I heard about before going into the movie, but they fit quite well with the whole timeline in the movie. I can see now why paramount already decide to green the next one. Going again to see it on Saturday.

    On another note, never in my life did I think I would be taking my son to a Star Trek movie and him enjoying just like I did when I first saw TNG at his age. He was so excited to see it, and I couldn't have been more pleased.
     
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  5. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    Interesting twist IMO (not surprising out of Abrams). But it worked pretty well. Glad to see a fellow SW fan put a neat spin on things.
     
  6. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That was AWESOME!!

    THAT IS HOW YOU MAKE A MOVIE!!

    Why can't all movies based on what I love be that good?

    Suck it Michael Bay and the Director of the Mummy. Two jerks who took something I loved as a child and crapped all over it.
     
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  7. Miamian

    Miamian Senior Member

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    PLEASE, PLEASE everyone!

    Alert us to spoilers if you say anything that would be surprising. I have to wait for DVD because I can't stand it when idiots talk in the theater.
     
  8. opfinistic

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    I officially have a Star Trek boner right now! :woot: Going this weekend!
     
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  9. HardKoreXXX

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    Im going tonight at 8. I was happy to see it has already gotten great reviews. Can't wait!
     
  10. DolfanTom

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    Saw this this morning, loved it! Here's my "review" from another football site:

    Yep folks, I just saw it! Caught it at 9:30 a.m. at our IMAX theater in Albany. I'm no trekkie by any means, but I enjoys me a good Sci-Fi flick and I couldn't wait for this one! Same for my little bro, who joined me, even after not sleeping after working last night. We were jacked to see this!

    I'm going to spare you the specifics, as I know a lot of you will want to see this, and I don't want to spoil it for you! But you WILL enjoy it. The action was intense, seeing the characters grow from the beginning was wild and entertaining in a way Star Wars Episode I could only dream of doing. Sorry to mention that God-awful movie in the same sentence. Put it this way, Episode I is the 2008 Detroit Lions, while Star Trek is the 2008 Super Bowl Champion Steelers! It was that much better!

    Right from the beginning, you are rivetted! You might even shed a tear at the beginning I swear to God. There is nary a dull moment in the film, and the momentum builds well from one scene to the next! And - frankly - sometimes, it's very funny, as w/ all Star Trek of the past. The cast did a great job of absorbing their famed characters, most notably Pine as Kirk! Quinto as Spock was very much the same. If you didn't know any better, you would think they were really younger versions of the original cast. Well, to some degree, but I think you get my point. It's believable, that's what I'm saying.

    The only thing, and this may upset some true blue Star Trek fans. Due to the use of time travel, the central plot essentially adds a significant new element to the Trek timeline, which changes things forever in a sense, while leaving things familiar enough to enjoy. Obviously, this was done on purpose, and will prove quite useful when they belch out what I'm sure will be at least another two movies w/ this cast.

    But let me tell you .... when the next one comes out .... I'll be there at 9:30 a.m. the day it opens again! This is one of those rare movies that takes a very familiar, beloved topic ..... and does it justice!!! Enjoy my friends, and report back!
     
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  11. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I took that as them establishing that this is a new timeline and isn't a prequel to the other Star Trek
     
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  12. opfinistic

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    Star Trek always toyed around with time travel. This is par for the course.
     
  13. TheMageGandalf

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    OK...

    I give it 3 out of 5 stars.

    I say it is on par with Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

    The whole alternate timeline thing makes it seem very BACK TO THE FUTURE-y in plot. I don't want to spoil it for people but its like watching Back to the Future Part II only that it doesn't have a cliff hanger ending like that movie did and when time is changed it isn't changed 'back' once it has been 'skewed' into the alternate tangent timeline, like in Back to the Future part 2 (remember how in that movie after Old 'Biff' gave the young 'Biff' the sports almanac and things changed for the worse, Marty and Doc changed it all back in the end and the original timeline was restored). I was hoping that they would put it all back nice and neat in a similiar way but instead they went with it and I guess now everything is game for changing and we dont know what really happened...does Kirk ever meet Khan?...Things like that.... Obviously
    WON'T be the same (You'll see what I am saying when you watch this movie)...With out even having to call it a 'spoiler', Kirk
    doesn't die in Generations
    ...or does he? Everything's open to a different interpretation so those who wanted Shatner in this one to re-write that sorry ending for Kirk in Generations technically got their wish since now his future has yet to happen...more or less...since some things may still happen.... but not all....and those that do happen again might happen with twists that didn't happen before due to this 'tampered' timeline.

    It was a good movie...not a great one...I also didn't like the fact that the Ent. bridge has so many lights that the thing looks like a hair salon. I guess they didn't need make-up rooms with all those lights in there thats for sure.:lol:

    It really was a good movie, just not a great one. Thats just my personal view from a Trek fan of going on now 28 years...:up:
     
  14. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    I can't stand it when people bring their babies to a loud IMAX theater...
     
  15. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I thought they way you did at first, then I really thought about it and it is genius. Now they are not stuck in trying to redo the old series and stay in that cannon. They can go anywhere.

    I also didn't get the Back to the Future-y plotting since Back to the Future is all about new timelines and righting the timeline. Where if you create a new timeline then the old timeline is erased.

    Star Trek's time travel works with each timeline being completely different. Actually quite like Marvel.

    I would give the movie 4 out of 5 if not 4.5 out of 5. That was a lot of fun.
     
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    Yeah! You see what I am saying about the BTTF timeline thing?

    It's like they want to do a mix of both worlds where they want us to think that the future we know isn't erased but yet...it is...yet it isn't.

    If I were directing someone to ST (like my two boys)...I'd tell them that as tricky as it sounds...watch everything with this last movie being last...since everything that happened before...happened...just that at some point in the future things changed the past and we are now seeing a 'new' past which in turn will create a future which may or may not be 'new'.

    In any case, I don't fault them as they can't make everyone happy. I personally think that
    the fact that Old Spock stayed behind either because he doesnt want to go back or he cant go back could mean that he can see and make sure that things dont change too much or that those things that should change will be changed. I seriously think they over did it by destroying Vulcan of all places. How many countless Vulcans have had an effect on the history that we have seen up 'til this movie that either died or now will never be born?
     
  17. DevilFin13

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    I thought it was really good. And I hadn't seen 5 minutes worth of any Star Trek movie or tv show before tonight. I'd definitely recommend it to people like me who had no exposure to it before.
     
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  18. TheMageGandalf

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    I honestly didn't see that much more of a difference apart from a steadier pace.

    It still felt like Star Trek to me and in fact felt a lot like the last few seasons of Deep Space 9 with all of the space battles (minus the Sisko & Prophets mumbo jumbo storyline).

    You should check the old stuff out, you may be surprised to find out that its not so bad ;)

    Figure my wife of all people, has gotten into it very recently by watching the second season (REMASTERED Version) of the Original Series (with Shatner and Nimoy).
     
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  19. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    It is not back to the future'y because they do not have to fix it. Star Trek is based on the Multiple Universe theory.

    The future we know happens, it just happens in that universe. It is like Mirror, Mirror universe, which had evil humans. Or the episode where Worf kept on jumping timelines where there one he ended up in had the Bjorians in war with the Federation and then all those enterprises came out of nowhere and they had to blow up the one where the Borg were actually destroying the Federation.

    In a sense it is more like Marvel where the main marvel universe is universe number 616.

    So the Star Trek we grew up with and watched for all these years is Universe A and the one that is in the new movie is Universe B. Or the mongooses, that is a good name, the fighting mongooses.

    Wow, I do not know if I have ever felt so nerdy after a post.
     
  20. TheMageGandalf

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    Well, yes and no.

    In both of those episodes they actually were dealing with alternate parallel universes.

    Yet, in ST: IV, First Contact, and in episodes such as The City on the Edge of Forever, Yesterday's Enterprise (TNG), Past Tense Pt. 1 & 2 (DS9)...

    As far as I can remember that was NOT discussed...

    It was all about restoring the timeline...

    Now, this time around...in order for things to be in the way your thinking, they'd have to mention that they were from an alternate parallel universe which they never did...

    They have mentioned that this reboot would create an alternate timeline which is obvious from the changes they made...as much as they wanted the old folks like us to believe that they weren't erasing the past they kind of did...

    I think that the only reference in the movie was from Old Spock saying something like "in my future" blah blah blah is this way...

    Of course he'd have to say that because just by him being there, he's changed things...just like when the Next Gen. crew helped Cochrane achieve Warp speed after the Borg traveled back to try and disrupt the timeline.

    Because if Trek has been really flipping and flopping through parallel universes so much then by now, no one really knows what is what ...at least Marvel knows it as 616 but in Trek we'd be lost.
     
  21. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    In First Contact we never know if that wasn't their timeline or not. That the Borg part just wasn't written about so they didn't know about it. So technically we do not know if anything was changed. There has been situations where the timeline has changed.

    Well they mentioned alternate timelines in this one with the discussion on the bridge when Spock mentioned that an alternate timeline was created. Seemed to me they went out of the way to say that this is an alternate timeline from the one that was from the old series.
     
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  22. TheMageGandalf

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    Whoa not really.

    Remember that as they were going after the Borg escape pod, seeing the spatial anomaly opened up by the Borg ship they actually visually saw the Earth being transformed into a Borg planet. At that point they had to quickly push through behind the Borg vessel to make sure they can get through in time before the portal closed and they would essentially be 'erased' or so they would let you believe, since at that point the Earth would've been changed in the past ,and hence the future would be changed, thus negating the Enterprise-E and any chance to restore the original timeline. In that scenerio even the Borg believed that by going back in time and changing things, it would change that timeline and not change some other parallel universe. Remember that another sign of this was when the Ent.-E tried to contact Starfleet...and here's the kicker....while they were still in their timeline (since the Borg ships spatial anomaly hadn't closed behind them completely yet)...they could not since the Borg went back and changed things and Starfleet no longer existed...to quote Doc Brown: "Erased from existance!" Now why did the Ent.-E still exist? Because if I remember correctly they were caught in the backwash of the anamoly at that time (since they were about to blast the Borg pod away)...not fully caught up in it though and thats why they were able to see/experience what they saw.

    However as we all know, the Ent.-E made it through before the portal closed and they were able to set things right.

    Now, I remember Spock mentioning an alternate timeline being created but that can be viewed as changing the original timeline. I never heard the actual saying of a parallel universe has been crossed and such...or that in my 'universe' yada yada yada.

    So...I went hunting some and found this article in which Orci, one of the writters talks about exactly what you are describing in parallel universes and that it was indeed the inspiration. http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob...-trek-canon-and-real-science/#comment-1808723

    However, it doesn't seem like he understands that theory very well as his explanations sort of jump around some and even contradict the theory itself.... and he even goes as far as to say that the ST universe changed each and everytime there was an instance of time travel whether it changed anything or not (such as in the TOS episode of 'The Naked Time') meaning that there is no 'real' Star Trek timeline just basically jumping verses...:pointlol:

    I take it all in as they want you to basically just gather up all your movie, episodes and books.... and just make your own 'verse'...which I guess is fine with me. Now, it might be a little annoying that my verse might differ from say my neighbors but it is what it is now.
     
  23. Vengeful Odin

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    I'm not a Star Trek fan much at all. I'm a pretty big Star Wars nerd. I've always preferred the idea of the Force and lightsabers to science and phasers.

    That said, I was completely blown away by this movie. Abrams most certainly got it right. Best reboot to a franchise, well, probably ever ... if you're going to do it, then you may as well do it right. There's no limit to where this series can go next ...

    Abrams does just that. He nails the nuance of what makes Star Trek STAR TREK. I liked, scratch that, loved the new characters ... despite the young cast it works ... perfectly. Spock ... Kirk ... McCoy ... even others like Chekov and Scotty just done perfectly.

    I loved the concept behind all of it, the science. It's fantastical but plausible at the same time. Like the rest of the film, it works to deliver the story. The math at work ... well as a technogeek I couldn't have been happier.

    Visually it's stunning as well. Several of the scenes are absolutely beautiful. I've always loved space cinematography, going all the way back to Star Wars and 2001, but this was on a whole new level.

    Absolutely the best "big budget" flick I've seen since last year's Dark Knight ... and while that one was more gritty this one was more fun. Even if you're just a casual fan of the series, like me, you should be thoroughly entertained. 5 of 5 stars. Big budget action done right. Do yourself a favor and go check this film out.
     
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  24. DolfanTom

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    True. I guess when I said familiar I mean the familiar crew is now in place and ready to move forward. It's not like Scottie got left on that ice planet and someone else became the engineer or something.

    Amen! And I've never been a big fan of Abrams work, but he got this right on.

    True. And now I wonder how many movies they can milk out of this reboot now!
    Hey, there could always be a story where they go back and try to save Vulcan?
     
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    I liked it (not loved it) a lot.

    Didn't think it got too Back to the Future-y.

    It was fun to see the characters in their infancy and the big-budget FX. The plot was kinda meh. I mean, there was no suspense, cause you knew everything would turn out alright. Its not like Kirk was gonna die in any of the fight scenes!!!!
     
  26. opfinistic

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    I loved it. From start to finish it delivered.

    The cast was great, IMO, and Bones (McCoy) was fantastic. All the gruff that DeForest Kelley brought to the original role was there, the country doctor, out of his element was nailed.
    It was Star Trek, revamped and reborn for a new generation. Yes, the political and sociological overtones were lessened and the action was turned up a notch. The storyline involved time travel, which has been a Star Trek plot tool since the original series and Abrams used that tool to wipe out everything about the original series so he could have free reign moving forward with the inevitable sequels. The movie itself reminded me most of 'The Wrath of Khan' which IMO was the best of the original series' movies. You had a madman motivated by revenge trying to destroy worlds, much like Khan and the Genesis device. You had some great battle sequences, both hand to hand and ship to ship, and an antagonist that you could actually feel sorry for to some degree. Nero and Khan are brothers in tragedy, both losing their families due to something that an Enterprise Officer did.
    Oh, the Enterprise. She was beautiful, what an excellent job revamping the original and modernizing it, but keeping it true to it's roots. I will buy this DVD the day it comes out, and have already downloaded the movie to enjoy it again until it is released for home viewing.
     
  27. GARDENHEAD

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    That makes sense. Good point.
     
  28. opfinistic

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    I was floored when that dawned on me. Someone told me they saw a Tribble in the scene where Scotty is introduced. Anyone else catch that? I will have to watch it again tonight when I get home to try and catch that.
     
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    Yep, saw it again, and looked for it. The Tribble is in a cage over his left shoulder, even purring during the scene. It's so loud I don't know how I missed it the first time .... surprised I didn't read any reviews w/ it.
     
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    Okay, I just watched it and I have mixed feelings. The action is great and are the visual effects.

    However, I don't like the irrevocable changes that Abrams has wrought. Just in case someone else like me can't stand people who are fecally well endowed in the head and have to talk during a movie and so have also waited for the DVD, I'll type in spoilers

    It goes without saying that it really messes things up to have not only Vulcan destroyed, but Romulus as well. We have ten movies, five television series, not counting the animation, plus books, all to the contrary. Rebooting wipes all of that out. I hope that the next sequel will restore Vulcan and Romulus.

    The romance between Spock and Uhura was very unexpected but I think that I could live with it. However, you would have expected some sort of chemistry, even bad following a breakup and the T'Pring fling (sorry for the rhyme), between Spock and Uhura on the original show. Not having that makes it kind of make no sense.
     
  32. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Romulus is not destroyed until the modern timeline. So it is destroyed in the timeline we all know and love, however it is not destroyed yet in this timeline.
     
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    I'm not happy with Vulcan being destroyed, but I can live with it. I also agree that Romulus still exists in this timeline. There will be a chance to stop it rom happening in the future maybe? What I can't get over is how TOS bridge crew is all there. One, Pike and Kirk never served together. Spock and Kirk didnt even meet until later when Kirk got the Enterprise...15 years after Spock and Pike served on the Enterprise...not to mention the Enterprise under construction. If they had done it saying that maybe Spock and Pike were on the Enterprise as it took on new crewmates..enter Sulu, McCoy, Uhura, and Scotty, I could buy it. I could have also lived with Kirk and McCoy meeting the way they did. Pike could have been scheduled to take another command, but the events of the movie happened....Not to mention Checkov's appearence. I also don't like how Scotty shows up.
     
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  34. DrAstroZoom

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    The beauty thing is that all of the original events still happened -- just in a different timeline.
     
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    If the original timeline is not restored, JJ Abrams and the writers are P'takh!
     
  36. DrAstroZoom

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    The original timeline is still taking (still took) place. We're just watching a different timeline unfold.
     
  37. Miamian

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    Ack! How many years will we watch this timeline unfold?

    Kom'ador mokhtar p'ti P'TAKH!
     
  38. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    The timeline was switched right when Spock came from the future. I do not mind all of that.
     
  39. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    The original timeline still exists.

    If they are going to do an entirely different cast, a new timeline is a pretty good way to go.
     
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    Without going back? Argh!
     

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