It's a good thing we do have due process; we wouldn't want to come to regard life as cheaply as the Chinese, whose officials routinely still simply drag people out of their homes and shoot them in the head on the street. But this guy needs to die. The sooner, the better.
IF he's in population. Most likely a guy like this would have to serve his sentence in segregated custody; lockdown 23 1/2-7. Still, no one is out of reach if enough people want him dead.
Its more like 25 to life. I saw a special about supermax prisons on NatGeo, he wont go to a Ramada Inn thats for sure, they'd keep him in a tiny cell and when that happens, people tend to go nuts, self mutilate and eat their own ****.
This piece of trash is hiding behind the law. If not for the law, this guy would be dead right now. And he would deserve it. He's untouchable because even the most evil people you can imagine have rights in this country. Obviously this guy doesn't mind doing the time, so where's the punishment? He probably prefers life on the inside. He should be stoned to death in front of town hall. I guarantee no one throws a baby out a window again if they think they are gonna get rocks thrown at them till they die.
The death penalty is a vexing issue for many. One of the myths behind it is that it saves taxpayers money, but that's not true. Due to the legal system of court cases, stays, lawyers fees, etc. it actually costs less to keep them in prison due to economies of scale. It's not a deterrent, because people still murder, even in countries where due process is something of a joke. I like Babylon 5's solution and hopefully one day it will become reality: death of personality with the advances that we've seen in neurology. They wipe out the killer's personality and he/she remains functional and literate without emotional swings.
I remember a high school teacher of mine saying that but thought the guy was a little offbeat shall we say and never trusted him. Good post.
Public executions (ala Saudi) would leave friends, families and viewers weary of doing crimes. Just my opinion. You send your kid to school and he/she see's another student without a hand because he/she stole something will leave a lasting impression.
True, add to the fact that so many people on DR stay there for years before they are executed and you have a system that doesn't strike fear into the hearts of those who are doing this ****. Imagine if we fast tracked Capital Punishment cases, went through all the appeals and so forth and were able to sentence a criminal and carry out his/her execution in a manner of months. Would that cause folks to think twice before committing a heinous crime such as this? I would think it would serve as a deterrent to X% of people, and whatever that percentage is it will be worth it.
They showed him again last night on the local news, when he was being transported to county with his orange jumpsuit on. This time he was all, "I'm sorry you guys think I did it" and "I love that girl", talking about his ex-girlfriend. Was different than when they first brought him in. Here's a video of his arraignment this morning. Listen to the judge read all his outstanding warrants and such. Obviously no bail. http://www2.tbo.com/video/2009/may/06/accused-baby-killer-appears-in-court-81847/ I think it's starting to sink in a little bit, that he's facing execution.
Its alot easier to ask people to forgive when you aren't the one that lost a loved one to violent crime.
I don't think its a good argument to say it won't prevent it in the future. Imo it kind of renders the whole judicial system irrelevant as clearly we have punishments, yet people still commit the same crimes...........
Prevent 100%? No chance in hell. I won't drink and drive because the penalties are frightening to me. Not because I feel like I am impaired after 2 beers. I know I'm OK at that point, but legally I'm drunk, so I will not take the risk due to the potential punishment I could face.
Exactly my point. Once again, this POS has taken a COMPLETELY innocent life. Why should he have the luxery of having his meals bought for him (By you and me BTW), continue to breathe perfectly good oxygen Once again, this mindset makes zero sense to me..
But the chances are ZERO if he's done away with. Because there's too many bleeding hearts. And people like this in prison makes taxpayers broke.
VERY tired of this argument. The ONLY reason it costs more is because of appeals, and foot dragging. If he goes to prison for life there still has to be a trial does there not? There are STILL lawyers fees. If in the trial he is found guilty beyond any doubt, it would cost less if he were just executed with no appeals and no MORE court cases. You can't possibly tell me that if justice were carried out swiftly it would cost LESS to keep him alive and feed him 3 squares a day for 20-30 YEARS than it would to fry his *** immediately.
Where it gets dicey is in the cases where.....and we've seen plenty of them....guys who've spent years/decades in prison, convicted of the most reprehensible crimes like murder, rape, etc., after all their appeals have long ago been exhausted.......are exonerated. I can't argue that the appeals process isn't serially abused. And the fact that people can sit in jail for years awaiting trial just seems ridiculous. But as long as innocent people can be executed, straight-to-the-gas chamber is a hard sell.
Economy shouldn't enter into the equation, under ANY circumstances. It simply isn't an issue, or shouldn't be where it concerns life and death. As to the issue of wrongful convictions, that's an excellent point. It happens, and as long as it does you have to wonder about a lot of the people already put to death, not to mention those awaiting execution. But a lot of those wrongful convictions came as a result of circumstantial vs. substantive evidence. I think a differentiation needs to be made: no circumstantial conviction should ever result in an execution. However, in a case such as this, in which there is almost no doubt of the crime and its perpetrator, there should be an execution within a set period of time after conviction, and after an automatic set of appeals/reviews through the Federal court system. (Federal, to offset possible jurisdictional prejudices of a racial nature)
for those saying we are wasting money keeping this guy alive, it costs more money for the state once someone is sentenced to death than if he is sentenced to life. The costs of the original trial is much hirer because the defendant in a capital punishment case is entitled 2 state appointed attorneys. then there are all the appeals which cost more than the original trials themselves. then there is the cost of increased security for those on death row and the fact they get priority for healthcare. by the time someone who is sentenced to death is killed its about 20+ years. to those that say the time should be shortened, make less appeals available, even with all those appeals, numerous innocent men have been wrongly convicted, and killed. I for one would not be opposed to the death penalty if it could be proven without a shadow of a doubt that every single time the guilty man will be the one executed, that is not the case though.
the reason there is "foot dragging" is because innocent people have been wrongly executed.Gte rid of those appeals, more dead innocents.
as for the death penalty as a deterent, if its a crime of passion, the person is Obviously not thinking about the consequences so thats not goign to factor in as a deterent. if its a planned murder, once you go so far off the deep end that you've made a detailed plan on how you are going to kill someone, you are past the point you are gonna give a damn what your consequences are.
I don't agree 100% with that. I'd wager there are plenty of pre-meditated murders where the consequences were thought long and hard about. Not to mention you can plan a murder and still hire someone to take the action of doing it, in which case you are (likely) considering the consequences.
As an expecting father, if that happened to my baby boy, there would be no force on this earth that could stop me from getting my hands on this ****ing scum and torturing him and his entire family. I would just snap........and not even think about any repercussions.
as a deterrent for murder?i'd say thats true. Atleast i don't see how death is anymore a deterrent than life in prison to someone who has already put it into their mind they are going to kill another.
EXACTLY, If it were either of my daughters, we wouldnt even be having this discussion as the Perp's head wouldve already become a pin-cushion for my 300 Weatherby Mag....
Maybe you missed the part where I said "if convicted without any doubt". Even when there IS no doubt, bleeding hearts will demand appeals. THAT'S what the "foot dragging" is.
That happens because long ago we decided that we would have a democracy, human rights, and individual liberties as opposed to the summary executions of the previous millenia. I understand your frustration with the system and I share it, that just happens to be the world in which we live, it's far from perfect. If you think that it's frustrating for you, would you believe that in the brutal, evil, racist, apartheid Zionist entity where I live there has been only one official execution carried out in the entire history of the country while scum like Samir Kuntar are now walking free? Talk about indignation.
That's just it, there always doubt. Look at the OJ Simpson case. Most people had him hung way before the end of the trial and now he's been acquitted. I realize that in all likelihood he did kill his wife and Ronald Goldman, but the fact that he was able to get off shows that there could be cases where the evidence incorrectly shows a defendant to be guilty, even when it seems overwhelming.