Ronnie Brown on the trading block?

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As per Peter King
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/04/20/draft/4.html

 

It was, I sure hope your playing ?

 

I agree 100%. However, if we adopted this belief 100%, this message board would be pretty boring.

 

Bottom line is, no matter where he was selected, he is not as good as the majority of the folks on the board envision him being. And I'd take a 2nd rounder for him right now if Miami is offered one. It would have to be a mid to high second, but I'd take it.

 

1) don't think we would get a first rounder for Ronnie. More likely a combo trade including a second round choice.
Boldin could be on the radar. The Cards are hurting bad @ RB. Might be a deal there.
2 I am looking forward to the Tandem (Ronnie & Ricky) running behind the new offensive line. The Orca-5 should eat up some defense & the Tandem should be able to burn the turf behind them. With this new offensive line, they're worth a 1000 yards a piece this season.
3) having said that I think it is a distinct possibility that Brown could be traded. We are in year two of a four year project & need picks.

Only Bill Parcells knows what is seriously being considered.

 

Not true, NFL teams definitely take college injuries into account when drafting a player, so they do matter. It's not like I'm pulling an Adrian Peterson injury from 10 years ago when he was in peewee football, he suffered these serious injuries in 3 of the last 4 years. That's the same timeframe that Ronnie suffered his. It's a very fair comparison.

That wasn't the point of the comparison, it was strictly on injury history.

Look at his stats, he has been very consistent, especially considering the level of talent playing infront of him. How many times did we complain that teams were putting 8 men on the line to stop Ronnie? How many times was Ronnie dodging defenders and breaking tackles in the backfield? Considering the slop that he had infront of him, his numbers are pretty darn amazing.

His YPC is exactly what you want in your RB, his ability to get better as the game goes on is exacly what you want in a RB, his ability to catch out of the backfield and passblock is more than you could hope for from your RB....I don't see the issue here when it comes to production. It seems to me that some of you are comparing his stats directly with the Top 5 RB's in the league and ignoring the fact that he hasn't come close to approaching the number of carries that Peterson, LT, etc have gotten. If Ronnie was able to gain as many yards as those players on only 220+ carries per year, forget about this debate, just pencil him into the Hall of Fame right now. But that's unrealistic, he isn't utilized in the same way that those backs are, but that doesn't mean that he isn't productive, it speaks more about the system that he's in than it does on his ability.

We could bring Adrian Peterson to Miami tomorrow and he wouldn't be putting up the same numbers that he has in Minny, the system is different.

You use the wildcat to knock Ronnie, but fail to realize that is exactly why we used that play, to get Ronnie yards. From all indications we'll be using it again next season, so he should get more opportunities to gain yardage from that formation. That shouldn't be a handicap.

Last year we lost Smiley, we lost Thomas who was slated to be the starter, Satele was playing injured and were relying on Andy Alleman, Al Johnson, Ikechuku Ndukwe, etc to step in and elevate their play far beyond what they are probably capable of. How is any RB supposed to put up great numbers with those players infront of him? The fact that Ronnie did so well is a testament to his ability. Now imagine what he could do with an improved OL and better all around supporting cast. And some of you guys want to toss him off to the side like a wet blanket? It doesn't make much sense to get rid of your best player and nitpick his stats if you are concerned with fielding the best team possible.

I can't stress this enough, Ronnie has gained alot of respect from rival teams and coaches, when asked who is the one guy they would want on their team or hate to face, some of them have named Ronnie, and there is a reason for it. Ronnie received praise from Belichick, like him or not, Belichick knows how to evaluate football players. Joe (124) was all giddy at the thought of us losing Ronnie because he knows how effective he is and how much that would hurt us. If even lowly NY Jet fan (sorry Joe ) can see it, why are some Phin fans so quick to send Ronnie packing?

 

This arguement pops up every so often just like arguements in the past by some that offensive linemen are a dime a dozen and you can plug anybody in and make it work. I guess Parcells and Co. have proven that theory wrong.
You say Ricky in his prime was twice the back as Ronnie. He should have been, he cost this franchise two No#1 draft choices and more, but Ricky has also been twice the headache as Ronnie Brown. I don't really believe that it was the gimickry with the wildcat that enabled RB to average over 4 yards a carry. All the wildcat did was show the versatility of Ronnie Brown and helped to spark this team to an 11-5 record.
As far as Ronnie Brown's knee injury is concerned, if I remember correctly was because he was forced to play defense after an interception. That injury was due to him having to do something out of the ordinary and was not due to him running the football. Up until then he was having a Probowl like season behind a terrible line.
People sure do have a short memory from back in the past when we just couldn't find a good running back and that was one of the reasons Marino didn't get another chance at a super bowl ring. Its funny how some use the comparison of Ronnie Brown with AP and others who get their 1000 yard seasons with a lot of carries in a feature back system that highlight their skills. They then turn around and say RB is inconsistant because he doesn't get the same production. Maybe some would be happier if we brought back 1st rounder John Avery or Karim Abdul-Jabbar or JJ Johnson, or how about Sammie Smith or a number of of other forgettable running backs.
Ronnie Brown is a Pro Bowl running back and backs with his character, skill and abilities don't come along very often. We could do a whole lot worse just look back at our Dolphins history.

 

The Chris Chambers analogy is flawed. Chambers failed because he would repeatedly drop balls that hit him in the hands. It don't matter if Joey Harrington or Dan Marino delivered the pass, it still hit him in the hands. Chris Chambers did not fail because the QBs sucked. He failed cause he sucked.

Ronnie will tear it up this year, just like he did in 2007 before the ACL injury. Takes 2 years to fully recover, right?

 

Thats a foolish notion, the Trifecta is not infallible, granted the Tuna has forgotten more football then we'll ever know but he has made mistakes.

I'd put more stock into that if Peter King hadn't bashed Ronnie repeatedly.

 

Michael Lombardi continuing to push a Boldin for Ronnie Brown trade. His latest on the subject:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11653092

 

Why would I play? That line was average at best as a whole but run blocking was it's strength and if you think Ricky gained over 1800 yds all by himself, I suggest you think again.

 

Subtracting and adding runs is playing with stats to make your point more acceptable.

The one set of data we should all look to in evaluating RB is the 2007 season. That was the first stretch of games in which he was utilized heavily in both the running game and passing game. All other data sets are incomplete. During that 7-game span, which was cut short by the injury, he was leading the entire NFL in yards from scrimmage. Better than LT. Better than AP. Better than EVERYONE. Now, does that mean he would have maintained that clip? Don't know and never will. But, what we do know is that when he got the damn ball he put up stats witht he very best of them. Give him the damn ball again and he'll do the same.

The only plausible argument for trading Brown which has been made in this thread, or any other for that matter, is that RB is approaching the 30 yr mark, is going to be a FA, and would likely bring a very nice compensation package in draft picks. If that happens, it's business. That's it. It has nothing to do with him not being "an elite back". That sort of jibberish is hog-wash...pure and simple.

 

After reading this article I am more convinced than ever that this guy has no idea what he's talking about in regard to Ronnie Brown.

I think that flies diectly in the face of everything we as Miami Dolphin fans know about Ronnie. Lombardi is playing a game of Draft Rumors: The Madden Edition.

 

Holy crap. You've got to be kidding me. That's like saying Peterson doesn't really have any burst. Ronnie may have his flaws, but finishing runs, getting YAC and getting stronger as the game goes along are certainly none of them. In fact, if you asked any knowledgeable fan about what his STRENGTHS are, those would be them. I'd put those traits of his up against the same of any back in the NFL...bar none.

This guy is really embarrasing himself in front of millions. Could somebody send this goober a clip of RB carrying half of the NY Jets and/or Bears team...or the one where he steamrolled the Raiders Safety...or the one where he broke about 7 tackes vs. the Browns...or.....you get the picture.

 

I just lost respect for Lombardi.

 

Ahhh yes, 2007 - everyone's fall back when no other argument can work. How do we really know if Ronnie wouldn't have worn down? It WOULD have been his first year carrying the ball as THE featured back. He had never even done that in college. But we'll never know because he got INJURED again.

It's much safer to have Ronnie as part of a 2 (or 3) man stable than it is to count on him as the featured guy and hope he doesn't get injured. Last year was the first season that he made it all the way through. Would have been durable enough to do it WITHOUT RW? Who knows? But you can't help but have serious doubts.

 

Not a fall back friend. Just stating what I saw. I wasn't projecting anything either, as you are when you question whether or not he would have finished in the same manner. You can't prove he wouldn't, and I can't prove he would. What I can prove is that when a coach of the Miami Dolphins finally gave him the freaking ball, he TORE THIS LEAGUE UP!!! That's not speculation. That's not padded stats. When he got the ball he gave all of you stat mongers what you've always asked for. When he got the ball he dominated in both phases of the game, running and passing. When he got the ball he put his team in position to win despite all of its glaring weaknesses.

As to this injury prone BS. Ronnie has missed his share of games just like every other back in the league. The only injury that truly had an impact on his year and his stats was the knee. The other two years he missed one or two games, and had he gotten the damn ball the other 13 to 15 games he played that year, he would most likely have put up the numbers required to calm the fantasy footballers of the world.

The only thing folks have to ***** about with Ronnie is that he doesn't have the 1200 to 1500 yard years. But at the same time, y'all won't openly acknowledge that he just wasn't given the same number of carries as the other top backs to whom you're comparing numbers. It's apples and orgages. When I bring up the one year in which he was finally given the ball as he should have been, you want to discount it as a "fall back" argument having no merit whatsoever because he probably would not have finished with the same level dominance and besides he got injured so all level of dominance displayed up to that point in time is null and void.

Look, there will come a day when Ronnie Brown is no longer on this team, and I promise each and every one of you will be PRAYING for another back just like him. I don't know how long you've been following the Phins, but I remember the days good and well when we couldn't BUY a decent running back despite trades, 1st round picks, you name it. I can't help but think that the people crying for RB to be replaced now are the same people who didn't have to suffer through the likes of Bernie Parmalee, Kareem-Abdul Jabbar, JJ Johnson, Terry Kirby, John Avery, Mark Higgs, Lawrence Phillips, Cecil Collins, etc. etc. etc. Those guys were mediocrity defined. Those guys are what you get when backs are thought to be "a dime a dozen". How'd that work out for us?

 

It would hurt to lose Ronnie Brown. I'd like to see a stat of the % of total offense he was to our team, because it seemed like he was the catalyst for our offense. We heard about the possibility of Ted Ginn running the Wildcat, but it was Ronnie that made it go. He made a lot of big plays for us.

With that said, I would understand the business move to get value for him with it being a contract year and his age. Without him having a single, fully healthy dominant year its very difficult to measure it (the Chambers analogy was a good one I thought).

Again, Parcells is the law for me and I trust whatever the man does.

P.S. It's funny how everyone loved Mike Lombardi after all the positive things he had to say about the Dolphins last year. Now he says one negative thing and he doesn't know what he's talking about and respect is lost? I don't get it. The man was a scout for 20+ yrs in the NFL, is everything he says right? No, but if you've done it for that long, you have my respect and a differing opinion isn't going to change that view. Does anyone have NFL teams lined up at there door because of the self prognostications they've made on this board? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say no.

 

I don't put any stock in any sports writer's opinion, scout or not. They aren't infallible, they make mistakes, they are prone to making emotional judgments on players just like your average everyday fan. Sure they are more learned, yes they have more experience, but when a guy makes an evaluation of a player that is 100% the complete opposite of what the player has shown us throughout his career, you bet I'll speak up and voice my opposition.

Lombardi's description of Ronnie's game did exactly that, the guy, whether he was a scout or not, completely misread what Ronnie Brown does out on the field, what he's capable of and what his strengths are.

Let me put it to you this way. Say your boss of 20 years had given you a positive written report on a weekly, monthly, yearly basis that his fellow higher ups agreed with, and one day he walks in and tells you the exact opposite. He tells you, despite documented fact to the contrary, that you are lazy, you are stupid, you bring the moral of the other workers down.....would you accept it because he has 20 years of experience and you respected him up to that point? Or would you slowly walk around him inspecting his head looking for the blunt trauma that knocked his nut loose?

 

I just don't see the hype you see. I won't be "praying for another back like him." I'll be hoping for one who is more polished and well rounded. He is fast in the open field and can run a guy over when he gets a head of steam. What is troublesome is that he IS injury prone and he IS slow to the hole and tip toes in the backfield and misses, to the point of annoyance at times, cutback lanes. All I'm doing is stating facts.

He missed 9 games in '07, two or 3 in '06 and 2 in '05. This IS a concern. Granted, he hasn't been as unlucky as his old college team mate Cadillac Williams, but he is injured enough to make coaches concerned enough about his durability that it's obvious that Ronnie Brown will NOT be THE MAN as long as he is with Miami.

You name a lot of running backs on that list that weren't any good. And that's fine - I'm not saying Ronnie isn't better than those backs. But of late, things have changed: blocking schemes are different - the league has gone the way of zone blocking, a stronger emphasis IS on the two back system.

You also named several backs that were pretty good for us on that list. Not outstanding mind you, but several would have fit nicely into a two back system. Parmele, Terry Kirby, and even Abdul- Jabbar might have done fairly well. He wasn't terrible, he just fumbled a lot. And you also have to consider that our line when those guys played was geared more toward pass protection than run blocking. You'll never hear anyone say Richmond Webb, Keith Simms - to name a few -as run blocking menaces.

You also named two that were obvious gambles by Jimmy Johnson that no one in their right mind expected to pan out: Cecil Collins and Lawrence Phillips. You can throw them out of the argument. They never even should have slid a Dolphins jersey on.

I don't hate Ronnie Brown. He's a talented guy. But I wouldn't classify him as a player who is a must keep. I would deal him if the price was right. And now is the perfect time to do it. Last year of his contract. Likelihood of us investing a lot of $$$ in him? Not high.

 

Ronnie gains yards at a 4.4 clip over his career. He is one of the best receiving RB's in the NFL (Belichick agrees) and he is a pretty damn good blocker. How much more well rounded can a RB get?

Running players over? You just described Ronnie Brown.

So Peterson is injury prone as well?

He missed time over 4 games in 2005 due to an ankle sprain.

He broke his collarbone and missed the rest of the season (returning only for the Fiesta Bowl) in 2006.

In 2007 he missed a month due to a knee injury.

If Peterson was on the Phins, would you be concerned enough to call him injury prone? Would you want to trade him because of it?

Every RB has their faults, but the case being made against Ronnie in this thread doesn't hold up. He isn't going to put up the same numbers as the top RB's in the league if he isn't utilized the same way. That isn't a knock on his ability, that's a reflection of our system. The crap that Lombardi floated that Brown can't gain yardage after a contact and that he doesn't get better as the game goes on is silly, facts tell just the opposite story.

Again folks, be careful what you wish for. There are no takebacks a year or two down the road if Ronnie is traded.

 

I certainly respect that you have a differing opinion, but I don't think analogy plays at all. You're going to direct contact (as in my boss), whereas Lombardi is just an outsider's opinion.

I don't necessarily agree with his analysis, but to completely disprove his net worth and begin using terms such as losing respect, which by no means is using you as the example, would be complete poor usage and description of his accomplishments--especially after everyone loved his POV because of his positive feedback on Miami players last year in his column & on NFL Network.

I think Ronnie is the catalyst for our offense and the only player in which defenses gameplan against. Personally, I love his enthusiasm for the game and the style in which he plays it with.

But....I can see where in the way this operation works now, where viewing Ronnie as expendable and getting highest value would make sense.

One thing we can all agree on is that Ronnie has yet to tap his potential. Last year was his first full year of health and he made the Pro Bowl, but it wasn't all put together. He looked great 2007 before getting hurt. He hasn't had the best of OLines, etc. etc. all reasons for not tapping that potential. The question this group has to decide is, will he continue to grow and get better at the age of 28-29 and worth the investment when the prior seasons show that--truthfully--he isn't worth that kind of pay.

If Ronnie Brown is asking for Top 3 RB money next year, even after a nice year, he isn't going to get it. Unless Ronnie just explodes--in an LT, Adrian Peterson, Jamal Lewis fashion--I believe this could be his last year (depending on what his asking price is).

 

You said it perfectly, and as such, he shouldn't be paid as one either (which is what he will be looking for). So why would it be a bad idea to look for value rather than allowing him to walk next year?

As much as it would SUCK to see Ronnie play for another team, I have full confidence that Parcells & Ireland would make sure Miami has the pieces in place to replace him at a long term level and beneficial to the team.

 

i dont see our best player getting traded unless we get an unbelieveable offer for him i hope he ends his career with miami

 

man i love when you post brother..much respect.

 

Lombardi did it to himself. He either hasn't watched Ronnie Brown play, doesn't know what he's looking at when he does watch, or he is simply trying to stir the pot because it's draft time. In either situation Lombardi is the one creating hostile feelings with his ignorant analysis. If it's actually the third reason (that he's throwing crap at the wall), then his own journalistic integrity is in question. And as fan we are reacting to it.

Actually what I said doesn't support your POV, just the opposite and I highlighted a line in your post that is actually the point that I was trying to get across. No NFL team is going to pay a player based solely on statistics, they are going to pay him based on his worth to the team and how much he contributes every Sunday. Ronnie is our offense, he's the guy that other teams gameplan for and worry about. If Ronnie were to be taken out of the lineup, who exactly would opposing teams concern themselves with?

Ricky? Not likely. They'll gameplan to stop the run, but Ricky Williams isn't going to make other teams lose sleep at night. He's lost a step or two and isn't the Ricky Williams that can carry a team on his back, infact he doesn't want that responsibility, that's why he left the first time.

Penny? He's a good game manager, but his arm is his kryptonite, he isn't scaring anyone with his deep throws and that will allow the defenses to cheat against the run. Remember what we said about him when he was in NY, he didn't magically become a different player when he put on the aqua and orange.

Ginn? He's explosive, but without our team taking advantage of his abilities he's going to be held in check.

Fasano? Again, he's only as good as his QB and he isn't going to scare defenses like Ronnie does.

Bess? Cammy? See Ginn and Fasano.

Ronnie is our most important, most effective and most talented player, without question. He may not have the numbers that place him in the Top 3 RB's in the league, but that doesn't diminish his production or his importance to the team. Ronnie is the offense, he makes this team go and he was the player who made the wildcat work.

When the Dolphins sit down and look at our future, I'm confident that they aren't going to feel comfortable with a rookie, Ricky (who is one slipup away from retirement and who is a FA), and Cobbs. Talk about a player who is overrated by Phin fans, Cobbs is one of those players. It would be a blunder of epic proportions if they were to trade Ronnie away and flunk out on the draft pick replacement, and we would be searching for another Ronnie Brown the following year.

I don't see the Miami Dolphins viewing Brown as expendable when he is such an important part of this team, I just don't.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree with Lombardi. My feelings are even if his view of Ronnie is off, which I believe it is, that doesn't make the other 25+ yrs of expertise in his field null and void--especially when so many posters claimed how great he was and how much they respected his piece and work on NFL Network.

Actually your POV does strengthen my stance and I've highlighted the stuff that shows that.

If what you're saying is true, then Chad Pennington should have his extension in hand and should be a Miami Dolphin for life. IMO, there isn't a more valuable and productive player on our team than Chad Pennington. Without him, we might win 5 games. His worth to the team is invaluable. Now, I don't say that to diminish Ronnie Brown's value, because I believe it to be very high, but in terms of production, team value, and what they do for us on Sundays--there isn't a bigger player than Chad Pennington.

And I can assure you, if Ronnie Brown has another season like last year with some gradual increases in Total Yards, etc. Parcells & Ireland will use that to as leverage in negotiations. Statistics and performance is always included contract talks and if it wasn't they wouldn't base bonuses off of it.

And again, in your mind, we're replacing Ronnie Brown with some rookie RB and allowing ourselves to go on with a major hole there. If Ronnie Brown is dealt (which I view very unlikely), then Parcells & co. will make sure they have a pro-active plan in place. Is it hard to believe that we couldn't replace Ronnie Brown with an 1,100 yard rusher that can run for 10 TDs? I mean between Steve Slaton, Matt Forte, Chris Johnson, Jonathan Stewart, and Kevin Smith coming out last year I think we could find a guy that could run the ball hard for us. Are those guys Ronnie Brown? No, but they're younger and can provide a threat in the run game much like Ronnie can--maybe not in the passing game, but can run the ball.

I don't believe the RB class to be as strong as that one, but if Knowshawn Moreno is still there at #25, I think that makes our choices a little more interesting.

Sorry, L2G didn't mean to go on a little tangent there.

 

Well, if Lombardi had said that Brown just wasn't a special back, then I'd respect his opinion, because that assertion is debatable. But when he labeled Brown as lacking in finishing power in his runs and in his games, well, he just went WAY too far out on a limb and plainly embarrassed himself. As for deferring to him because of his experience; he may be a capable NFL professional, but that doesn't make him imune from getting lazy and saying something totally unfounded and frankly quite stupid.

 

In all fairness to those folks, he didn't make this type of moronic statement at that time.

I disagree wholeheartedly.

Pennington is a pretty darned good game manager, but he severely handicaps this offense because of his physical limitations. The FO knows this, I forget if it was Sparano or Ireland who actually said it in an interview not too long ago, and they are planning on giving Henne a shot next year. Some of our players, some of our young players, are being misused because Pennington can't throw the ball deep. That isn't a player that you want to keep forever, again remember what we were saying about Penny when he was a Jet.

Ronnie could have an Adrian Peterson type year and the FO would still find something to use against him in negotiations. It doesn't matter how good you played, when you are in contract negotiations the FO is going to point out every wart on your hand and pimple on your forehead. It's the nature of the business.

The bonuses are for the players to earn extra cash and motivation for them to bust their butts all season. Teams are smart to put money into bonuses to make sure that players don't try to coast just because they got their big payday.

Until a rookie proves himself, he is a huge questionmark.

And I respect Parcells, but I'm seeing alot of people that feel he can't do anything wrong. Parcells has a history of turning teams around, but he isn't infallible and his draft record has alot of stinkers and busts amongst the successful picks. Just because Parcells is drafting a player, that doesn't mean that the player is going to succeed.

Putting the team on the shoulders of a rookie is extremely risky and not a smart way to build a team. If you were to say that they would draft a RB and let him split time with Ronnie and eventually take over, that I could understand. But getting rid of our best player and crossing our fingers that a rookie would be able to fill his shoes is a recipe for disaster.

Just to keep it in perspective a bit...

Slaton had 54 more rushing attempts than Ronnie
Forte had 102 more rushing attempts than Ronnie and his ypc was below 4
Johnson had 37 more rushing attempts than Ronnie

Now that doesn't mean that they aren't good RB's, but that's one years worth of experience, lets wait another year or two before we make a determination on what type of players they will turn out to be. There are alot of players in NFL history who were one year wonders, so I'm wary of making judgments after only one season. And on the flipside, sometimes it takes players 2-3 years to reach their potential, so patience is important in player evaluation. But for every Forte, Slaton and Johnson that you point to last year, there was a Jones, Mendenhall, McFadden, etc who didn't have the type of first year in the NFL that would make you forget about a Ronnie Brown. So at the very least we could be facing a tough year, at worst we could be in the same situation of looking for a replacement for the next few years.

But back to your point. Last year seems to have been a good year for RB's, but that doesn't mean that this year is going to follow that pattern. The draft, for all of the scouting, viewing of tapes, player interviews, checking and rechecking, etc, the draft is a crapshoot. It's an educated crapshoot, but a crapshoot nonetheless. If drafting players was an exact science, teams would never draft a player who is out of the league in 3 years. I did a quick search of Parcells draft history and came across a blog that gave a statistic for his draft history with the Jets. They said that 64% of Parcells draft picks with the Jets were out of the league in 5 years, that's not very encouraging when talking about trading your best player and trying to replace him via the draft.

Hey, it's what the internet is for.

I would be very disappointed if we drafted a RB at #25, that is actually one position that's a legitimate strength for the Phins. We would be passing over the thin depth at CB, the need for more passrushers, depth at NT, a big body for WR, OL depth, it would be a luxury pick IMO and a rebuilding team shouldn't be making luxury picks. Now if the plan is to move Ricky, then I can sort of understand it because of his age, declining skills and uncertainty of his "situation", but I would still be very disappointed that we didn't address our pressing needs.

 

I think with Ronnie coming into the last year of his contract that Parcells will entertain trade offers for him. However like the Channing Crowder situation we'll probably end up resigning him due to lack of decent alternatives. Maybe next year we go all out and load up at RB, WR and TE and then when Ronnie's next contract is up we'll have a viable replacement for him.

Only way I see us trading him is if someone gives us a really good package for him. A high 2nd at the minimum but preferrably at least a 1st. I'd rather keep Ronnie and see what he can do with our line this year.

 

sigh.....i love the "ronnie is injury prone" line.....when you tear your ACL randomly trying to make a TACKLE because of a stupid interception from cleo lemon.....its random....

when you break your thumb because it gets caught in a facemask......its random....

when you get injured in the very tough sport of pro football....and they are different injuries.....you are not injury prone.....you are unlucky.....

if you are someone like dan morgan.....the same injury over and over....thats injury prone....

if we lose ronnie brown....regardless of draft pick....we will miss him on this team....imo

 

I don't honestly think the trifecta want to trade him... I just can't believe that. Will they pay him like a top-back next year? I think that all will depend. As for his production I thought he was INCREDIBLE last year after coming back from the knee injury and I think that played favor in his Pro-Bowl selection just as much as the "Wildcat". It all starts this year for him in my opinion. He'll have the best line he's had, potentially, to run behind and AT LEAST get creases to run through. He'll need to stay healthy and run like a man on a mission and then we could still potentially tag him next year.

THESE ARTICLES ON HIS SKILLS HAVE TOTALLY PISSED ME OFF!

Can he run through people? What were we all talking about after his rookie season? Was it the run through 6-people against the Browns and several other runs he's had? He can catch like a receiver yet he isn't used as one enough. I'd like to see them run some Faulk-type plays once in a while. He has the BEST hop-step I've ever seen and is good at jumping too. DURABILITY is the ONLY question-mark for him. They'd be hard-pressed to replace him, especially with RW and Cobbs and a rookie.

 

Just read Armando's blog from yesterday (link: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/), and while I don't necessarily agree entirely with his POV, he does provide an interesting theory.

He also makes reference to RB being under contract for two more years (not one as I think has been widely suggested). If true, and assuming it is as I did not investigate (he does provide a link to the NFLPA website BTW), how does that impact your thought on trading RB?

I still think he's too valuable to trade. Not unless it's for the same #2 overall pick we invested in him. And two things...1) that ain't gonna happen. 2) The financial burdens of signing a #2 overall pick are just as disadvantageous as it is advantageous to draft said player.

JMHO...

 

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!! Its not like he has re-occurring back or hamstring problems.

Season 1: Sprained ankle at the end of his rookie season. Can happen and has happened to anyone.
Season 2: The thumb. Fluke play.
Season 3: The ACL. Fluke play where he got injured trying to make a tackle.
Season 4: Injury free.

He's not injury prone. He just had some bad luck. I mean, if he finishes season 5 injury-free, would the doubters say he's no longer injury prone?

 

G - Ronnie's last year is voidable so technically this is in his final year, especially if he wants to switch teams or negotiate a new contract.

 

Article: The Dolphins trading Ronnie Brown? Maybe it's not so crazy

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/sh...t=An6dqxI1dU3AKS.JMBTgpBY5nYcB?urn=nfl,157865

 

everyone has a price in the rebuilding process
I am looking forward to watching the Tandem(Ricky & Ronnie ) run behind the Orca-5 & believe with this new offensive line they can rack up an easy 1000 yards a piece. However, in many ways (front office point of view) it makes sense to trade him. Our RB Sable is set & would be still excellent without Brown. We have more pressing needs & draft picks or a solid trade could go far to resolving them.
Having said that: I don't think it will happen

 

No offense brother, but Yahoo just regurgitated this story. I don't give it anymore credibility than I did the first time around.

 

Someone summed it up when they said if we trade Ronnie we would hope to get a back with all of the attributes we were looking for. Well, that is the problem because we would need to get someone who has good character, never complains (even when asked to runback kickoffs or punts), Can pass the ball with accuracy, has good receiving skills, can average over 4+ yards a carry and can run over people hard enough to hurt someone, oh and never gets hurt.
Maybe they will trade RB, none of us knows. But if they trade Ronnie Brown I hope he goes to a team that will appreciate what they have.
He did well last year in a limited role but IMO it was because he was still recovering from a serious knee injury not because he couldn't handle the role.