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LOST - Season 5

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  1. ether79

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    Hmm, guess Charlotte cut her hair and it also looked black with light that was shining on it from the window. If I remember correctly from what i saw the girl had shoulder length hair. Obviously it was dark and I could be wrong on both counts.
     
  2. ether79

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    The thing I was thinking is that she did not come back with her child possibly, as that would make her whole considering she was pregnant when on the island. She didn't follow the rules correctly. Might be way off, but cold be a possibility.
     
  3. Ultra

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    I'm thinking certain people went back and others didn't because of some time line consistency thing. Like Ben couldn't go back to '77 because he was already there (as young Ben) so the island just left him in the present...
     
  4. ether79

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    I was thinking another possibility is the fact that Ben and Locke messed up too, and Lapidus was never meant to be back in the first place. Ben wasn't supppsoed to turn the wheel in the first place, Locke was not supposed to be dead..

    That is the reason it was screwed in the first place and now they will need to go through much to correct the mistake.
     
  5. wpgfishfan

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    so maybe sun is there too as a child?? maybe she is candle's baby and not miles like everyone thought
     
  6. Lane1974

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    interesting... could be, because we also know Widmore and Sun's dad were in cahoots at some point also

    would also explain Sun's dad's dickiness
     
  7. wpgfishfan

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    although we did see sawyer watch Claire give birth a couple of episodes ago when "sawyer" was on the island


    why did they say 30 years earlier instead of 32 years earlier if its 1977
     
  8. DrAstroZoom

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    Because the "present" for Lost is 2007. The original Oceanic crash occurred in 2004.
     
  9. Clark Kent

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUV3DeaF0To"]YouTube - LOST 5x09: Claire's subtle appearance[/ame]

    Interesting stuff.

    About the purge: I don't believe they stop it. Watch the comicon video from this summer.
     
  10. Ultra

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    yeah I remembered that too, but that was during the time everything was going heywire, so I chock that up to why they would eventually die if they didn't stop the constant flashes and settle into one timeline again. It also explains why Charlotte died...because she couldn't have 2 of herselves in '77 since she is already there.
     
  11. Ricky's Pipe

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    here are the screen caps that *might* be Claire.

    http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7279/54101156.jpg

    http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/913/ec2w.jpg

    Overall tho, I didnt like the episode. All it did was set up future episodes (I guess) and I felt alot was unnecessary. I.e. Sawyer and Jack immediately start fighting...There is no conversation...nothing?!

    Also, why was it so imperative that Jack/Kate/Hurley be Dharma ppl. Horace knows that Sawyer and his crew werent Dharma ppl and that they were missing part of their crew. Couldnt Sawyer just tell him this was their crew.

    Also Richard knows who they would be if they become "Others".
     
  12. Lane1974

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    it would be pretty unlikely Sawyer's crew would show up out of the blue 3 years later
     
  13. Ultra

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    the new suit would give it away haha
     
  14. pennphinfan

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    you don't know how to dry clean clothes with mangoes and seawater? pff, you've got a lot to learn
     
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  15. wpgfishfan

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    no way ben is dead
     
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    well, we know why he's pissed at the world now. the producers had told us there would be a 'life changing' event in bens life, turning him into an evil kid. now we know!
     
  17. Ultra

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    yeah, no way he died. The island must save him or Richard comes to save him. What's weird is Ben doesn't set the trap until he's older...unless Sayid changed the future by killing him...
     
  18. Ricky's Pipe

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    Its rare for Lost, but that was another boring episode...
     
  19. muscle979

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    I think they'll reveal at some point that Sayeed shooting him is the reason he becomes the way he is, basically meaning that Sayeed created the very monster he sought to destroy. Which would probably mean that we could find out that Ben kind of knew Sayeed all along. Assuming childhood Ben survives which I think he will. Being a kid with a father who doesn't love you, no mother, and then getting betrayed like that would mess anybody up.

    But then again what do I know. I never know anymore what direction the show will take.
     
  20. FaninPatsyLand

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    I believe this is correct. I think Ben wanted Sayid to kill him, thus changing the future.

    So the question becomes, does the purge happen now that the future has been altered??
     
  21. pennphinfan

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    the more that happens the more i grow wary that they're somehow going to tell us this is just some giant 30 (or 100, depending on how you look at it) year time loops thats going to just keep repeating. please abrams, don't do it!
     
  22. Ultra

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    As much as I enjoy LOST, I'm starting to agree with you. A lot of the greatness was them being on a creepy island trying to survive and get off. Well, they got off and now they are still not revealing enough IMO.
     
  23. Clark Kent

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    These last two eps were OK, but this show has been rocking for most of the season.

    Ben can't die, he exists in 2007/8. Whatever happened, happened according to our tour guide Daniel Faraday. The future, IMO has not changed. Everything is as it happened before. Sawyer/Juliet kills the others, they become Dharma, Sayid shoots Ben, Ben lives, etc...

    If we're going to see a moment when the future changes, it's going to happen in a finale, IMO. Biggest bang for their buck. Besides, if they change the future in a drastic way, seasons 1-4 were for nothing. I don't think TPTB are going to do that. I think they'll change the future somehow (introducing the rules, so the characters can try to break them), but they won't change anything from 04-07, IMO. So the question would then become whether or not you can create the future (free will) or if you're destined to to a slave to time and space (fate, and a s3 reference).

    On the podcast Damon and Carlton asked the question.... If you could go back in time would you kill Hitler? If your answer is yes, what happens if you try and kill him but fail? Is it you who created Hitler in the first place?

    I kinda love that. Which is why I love this season.
     
  24. Clark Kent

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    what are you talking about? Season 5 has given more answers then any season. Obviously the "big" questions are for season 6.

    You will be happy to know that in the podcast, D and C said we will see the 4 toed statue and find out what it is, We will know why Ben killed John, and Miles wanting 3.2 mill. Plus more that I know of.

    Hang in there... if rumors are true, this season will be action packed from Ben's centric episode forward. Mind blowing ****.
     
  25. muscle979

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    I believe this is what Sayeed has done with Ben. I think we'll find that Ben sent him back to the island knowing what he would do from memory and obviously knowing he would survive it. Because we know that Ben really hired that woman to take Sayeed to Guam.

    There's really no way Ben could be dead, it seems that would indeed wipe out his existence past boyhood. Without Ben, the Oceanic six wouldn't have returned, we can see that they are still on the island in the 70s from upcoming previews so I don't think there's any way that child Ben can be dead.
     
  26. Paul 13

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    Could Widmore have hired that lady to get Sayid on the plane because he knew it would lead to him "killing" Ben as a child? (if he is in fact dead)
     
  27. Clark Kent

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    Damon and Carlton were tight lipped on that, so it's possible she works for Widmore.

    My guess is Ben sold out Sayid to someone connected to Widmore (remember, Widmore knew where Sayid was as he gave John a manifest) and Widmore played into Ben's hand unknowingly.
     
  28. Ricky's Pipe

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    Where is Desmond damnit (and faraday)...

    The mystery behind the island that drove the first season was awesome, but now its about time traveling and changing the future/past and im more worried about what ben's reactions shouldve been when he first saw sayeed then just enjoying the story.

    The statute revelation will be a nice episode, as will wheever they explain smoke monster, etc...and even season 2 and 3 were slow in the middle so Ive learned to be patient...but it seems like they are biting off more than they can chew right now. they are trying to fit in soooo much right now and the simple beauty of the show (trying to survive and the interactions b/w characters) is an after-thought. For example, having jack/kate/hurley back in camp, they should be talking non-stop to sawyer and juliet and jin...instead its just little snippets of conversation. the first season would have have them meeting and figuring out whats going on, planning, running through forests, working together, etc...
     
  29. wpgfishfan

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    I don't understand why everyone keeps talking about how they changed the future timeline. They didn't change the future timeline. They can't change the future timeline. "What happened, happened," said Faraday, and it's been proved a dozen times already. YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE FUTURE.

    The coolness of LOST is going to be that all of the actions of the Losties in the 70s here are going to fit in perfectly, chillingly, into the events of Seasons 1 and 2. Let's take Ben as an example. Maybe Ben is injured, and the Others come and rescue him, heal him up, send him back, and tell him to be patient. The Purge still happens.

    You can't change the future, people. The rules Ben was talking to Widmore about in that hotel room were the rules of time, not some arbitrary rules of a cat and mouse game.

    ***********************************************

    The MacCutcheon 60 scotch whiskey made another appearance; this time Sayid was drinking it! It was Widmore’s bedside drink when Ben roused him last season. It is also the same scotch whiskey Widmore used to humiliate Desmond.

    It’s the same brand Locke’s father drinks before he pushes him out of the window. And of course Desmond gets drunk off a bottle of MacCutcheon when Charlie gets him sauced to spill his guts.

    MacCutcheon is also the name of a chess move, and there’s that game imagery again.
     
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  30. FaninPatsyLand

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    Maybe I'm missing something but...

    If the future cannot be changed, then how are the conditions of the barracks going to be explained when Sun and Lapidus visited Christian in 2007/2008?

    And I'm sure that Lapidus heard the numbers being broadcasted through the plane's radio, which would lend credence to the idea that Jin's arrival during Rosseau's wreck somehow stopped her from broadcasting her distress signal.

    Are there two distinct timelines running parallel to each other?

    I'm sure there's some holes in that theory, but there's holes in every theory I've ever heard concerning this show. I just find it hilarious when people from various sites talk so matter-of-factly regarding potential outcomes. No one has any idea at this point how it all ties together.
     
  31. pennphinfan

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    i think the statue revelation is going to be kinda lame honestly. probably something along the lines of some ancient culture 'blessing' the island with the stature of Apep, and since it got destroyed (probably by jughead) the island sucks at childbirth now or something. I hope its more scientific of a reason, but we'll see.

    the smoke monster is going to be a fun one though.
     
  32. Ultra

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    that whole can't change the future thing is wrong IMO. Faraday changed it by getting Desmond to come out of the hatch. Then the memory just popped into his head in the normal timeline.
     
  33. femalefinfan

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    I don't think Jughead destroyed the statue. I think jug head was buried in Desmonds hatch in the thick walls of concrete that Sayid said he only hear of in Chernobyl or something to that effect.
     
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    doesn't that seem to make too much sense though? i agree that would be fitting but.. makes too much sense.
     
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    It does make too much sense, but what else could that wall of concrete be? And what happened to jughead? At times with lost, very rare, but it happens, the expected happens. We knew the child born was Ethan. We knew Sayid would try to kill young Ben. Maybe he succeded, maybe he didn't. But at times the expected does happen.
     
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    call me dumb but i didn't realize sayid would shoot ben. I suppose that was foolish of me to not realize that though. but anyway, yes it would work to have jughead be buried under hatch there. especially because faraday told them to bury it and all
     
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    Honestly, your not dumb. Those two events are about the only things I've been able to call correctly in this damn show. I'm just happy I was able to get those is all!:knucks:
     
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  38. Paul 13

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    Speaking of changing the future and if it's possible within the constraints of this show... how about Hurley and him winning the lottery... maybe that's how he won the lottery (because he knew the winning numbers already)... mind %^&@!!
     
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    Well the time travel and the constants are clearly tied together. Maybe Des and Faraday can't change the future because they have constants, but anyone else who doesn't can?
     
  40. Clark Kent

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    Those aren't the barracks. That's the processing center. All buildings from Dharma are yellow.

    Yeah, that was odd and clearly means something important.

    I hope they don't **** the show up by erasing seasons 1-4 for a new timeline where those events never happened.
     

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