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Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by GRT8, Mar 23, 2009.

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  1. GRT8

    GRT8 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    DOes anyone here remember someone mentioning "how can Miami obtain more draft picks" and moving Satele? Hmmmmmmm.......never doubt the master:knucks:
     
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    :woot:

    Glad to see you back man. Hope all is well on your side and nice job on the prediction. :)
     
  3. Stitches

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    Awesome call man.
     
  4. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Since Satele was traded for the equivalent of a low fourth rounder... I'm expecting Jason Allen to be traded for a low third and John Beck a low fourth. It's only fair... :wink2:
     
  5. ToddsPhins

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    Wow. I appreciate that!! I didn't know you read my post a few months ago from my previous forum. LOL. :lol::hi5:
     
  6. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Hey now...Rey Rey sort of flamed out there Yoda...:tongue2::lol:
     
  7. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Rey is also John Gruden's favourite player in the draft ( yes, he tends to LOVE lots of players ) , if he sniffs 25 I think this regime is all over him like a south florida rain ...
     
  8. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Oliver Twist


    Please Sir , may I have some more ?

    As always , gr8ly appreciated :)
     
  9. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    His risk/reward curve is steep, wonderlic of 15, slowish 40 time, overpersues..
     
  10. Nappy Roots

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    did you just mention wonderlick? and "slowish" 40?

    Rey is a great ILB, yes he overpersues sometimes, but Crowder overpersues as well. imagine having Crowder, but hits harder, causes many more turnovers and is better at getting to the QB...

    sign me up if hes there :hump:
     
  11. dolfan22

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    True enough , however the 40 time is not the prime indicator for the position , reaction time , first step is much more important. He will blow up plays and also most likely just blow up on some others. He is , or should be a differance maker though , and obviously some teams , evaluators will value that more than others.

    The risk/reward at 25 is signifigantly less that say at 10 to 15 . Miami will have to make the determination of course if they feel the positives outweigh the negatives , the game changing plays overide the occasional (?) out of postion ones.

    Still , I think at 25 Miami would seriously , seriously think of making Rey a Dolphin.
     
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    Awesome, we could have synchronzied overpursuit, it would look like a pee wee football game when they manage to run an end around..:lol::wink2:
     
  13. GRT8

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    really, is his career ready to be evaluated already? :tongue2:
     
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  14. padre31

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    His predraft is...:tongue2::lol:
     
  15. GRT8

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    You have been watching too much Kiper. Hey, where is the smiley face for Blah! LOL.
     
  16. padre31

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    Bwahaha...he ran a 4.84 pulled a hammy, then bombed the wonderlic after flamming out at the Senior Bowl..clearly a top ten player...:lol::wink2:
     
  17. GRT8

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    Ok, my last shot of the day. There were underlying "factors" there, so I know we have just washed that under the bridge. When you just use the media to evaluate players, I can see how your vision can be clouded. I never read the paper and usually pop in here to get " friends" views on things that matter to me.

    He will be a very good player, no doubt in my mind. Granted LB's are not my expertise.....I usually watch the cheerleaders.
     
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  18. padre31

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    Just pulling your chain a bit GRT8. :knucks:

    MLB's without good supporting casts in the NFL only see their negatives magnified unless they are off the charts good like P Willis.
     
  19. ckparrothead

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    All I want to know is, when a scout who would not be named said the following...

    WAS he talking about Rey Maualuga?

    Pat Kirwan also alluded to a GM he knows talking to him about a defensive player. He asked the player in interviews to describe the defense he played in, and he couldn't. He didn't know anyone else's assignments. The GM said they initially had a very high grade on the kid but now they consider him undraftable.

    I'm not saying those stories are about Rey Maualuga, in fact I think they could be two different players. I'm saying it scares me that I can't say with certainty that they are not about Rey Maualuga.

    Could be talking about Brian Orakpo or Everette Brown...Vontae Davis...who knows.
     
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    Orakpo and Brown likely would have slid. It's either Davis or Maualuga. If I know USC it's the latter guy.
     
  21. ckparrothead

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    It would surprise me if Kirwan was talking about Rey. As the middle linebacker of that defense he would probably find it impossible to even do his job if he didn't know other peoples' assignments.

    BUT, that first quote from the anonymous scout...boy it would not surprise me at all if that was about Rey.

    I think Vontae Davis is a likely suspect...for either quote.
     
  22. padre31

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    Well, the Draft process is Darwinian, whomever said it we will see them slide back because they clearly are not ready for primetime.

    FWIW, I doubt it was Rey-Rey, he didn't even have an agent at the Senior Bowl so the money is not really the issue with him, I'd bet it was a underclassman who came out..maybe Maybin?
     
  23. GRT8

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    Typical. Don't get caught up in he said, she said and media. It is not uncommon for news to spread just to raise or drop someone's value. If he dropped in draft because of "reported" issues and fell into Miami's lap at the bottom of round #1, wouldn't that be a beautiful PLAN.

    The only place he is dropping in value, realistically is in this forum though, because most people I know are pretty high on him. It is a normal evolution.
     
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  24. ckparrothead

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    I know you're high on the guy, but shouldn't the three positions in football where you demand intelligence be Quarterback, Center, and Middle Linebacker? Am I wrong on that?

    When a guy scores higher on the Wonderlic, I try to take that with a little more of a grain of salt simply because he can be trained to score high. But when a guy scores a 12? I don't know about that. At least, I don't know about it for certain positions. Mis-diagnosing plays and mis-firing on them was already an open question mark for him. I think scoring high in the wonderlic would have alleviated some of that criticism. A missed opportunity.
     
  25. padre31

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    And that is typical in reverse, keep in mind, the "media" has never said who said such a thing, or even reported who at the combine it was said to, the NFL is soo insular that if it were said pretty much everyone inside the NFL will know it, if not then it won't matter.

    BTW I don't believe that is something Rey Rey would have said...but someone else might have believed it was reportedly said by him...:shifty::lol:
     
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    Well, assuming we are talking about Rey Rey, keep in mind OJT counts as well, a pulling guard is a pulling guard after all, so the wonderlic is probably a bit overrated in that sense.

    What it does show is he didn't even bother to fake it and prep for the test.
     
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    CK, you know I respect every fiber of your football intelligence, right? I do. Wonderlic Score ......... do they still give those, really. Damn, I must of missed that memo. :tantrum:
    Padre31 you nailed it.
     
  28. Paul 13

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    Turn on the tape!!
     
  29. Nappy Roots

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    im not sure the break down, but the a person with average smarts scores 20 on average. the top 3 average scorers of the test are 1. OT 2. OC 3. QB. all the way to 7 is the LB position with an average of 19. only CB, WR, FB and RB scores lower.

    btw, i think Rey scored a 15, not 12...
     
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    I really don't think so. The guy is still on campus a lot, so I'm assuming he is still going to class. Also, he could have left last year, but decided to stay for his senior year. Doesn't seem like a guy that would call college "all that ****".
     
  31. Stitches

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    The guy that popped in my head as to not knowing anyone else's job on D who is considered a 1st rounder was BJ Raji. Not because anything about him, but rather because of the position he played. As DT, I don't really think he had to worry too much about what anyone else was doing. Obviously I could be way off, but that is who I was thinking.

    TBH, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't Maybin who didn't know what anyone else was doing. It's not like he had a lot of experience out there and he really was just keying on the QB all the time.
     
  32. PHINANALYST

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    i would like to believe that we would like a MLB with the capacity to study film, break down formations, and decipher changes enough to be the captain on the field. how that relates to the Wonderlic, i am not fully sure -- but would have to believe like CK says, that it is quite related.

    i'm just not sure that any MLBs left @ 25 will be worth a 1st rd selection. (are there more than 2 worth selection in the 1st rd) No doubt we still need an upgrade there, i just don't believe the value will warrant the pick, so we will go with OLB or CB for 1 & 2a.
     
  33. ckparrothead

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    http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Extras/2009/wwhi040109a.htm

    Could be a bunch of stuff being put out there in hopes that the guy falls...but it is certainly concerning.
     

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