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Jake Long vs. Julius Peppers

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dolpns13, Mar 16, 2009.

  1. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    With the probable signing if Peppers to the Ratriots, how do all of you think Long would/will fair against arguably the best rusher in the league?

    Truthfully, I wish I could get a handle on it, one half of me says Peppers would beat Long, the other half says Long can handle peppers, so unfortunately I simply dont know...

    Hence the thread
     
  2. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Big Jake should be fine, if some kind fan would care to look, I'd bet he got sacks in bunches and generally against poorer teams, I don't recall him being much of a factor when the Cards dragged the Panthers in the playoffs.
     
  3. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    hope ur right, its almost a certainty Peppers will be a Rat and we'll see him 2ce a year
     
  4. The Aqua Crush

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    Long will be fine against peppers. But if the patriots start disguising blitz schemes' a second year tackle could have the odd problem. Don't see it being so bad that it's detrimental to a game however.

    If Smiley is beside long when we play the pats I really don't see Peppers effecting that side of the line at all.
     
  5. padre31

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    The panthers are my local team dphns13, Peppers is the sort of player who plays down to the level his teammates are playing at.

    And this make the Carey signing all the better, if things go right we may be able to block one on one, that would basically destroy the Pats scheme.
     
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  6. calphin

    calphin deadly at 250 yards!!


    To be honest, I really dont think Peppers is all that great. hes good, no doubt, but I'm really not worried about him being traded to N/E.

    I think the guy is really overrated.


    correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  7. padre31

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    Peppers is no slouch, but he's not a James Harrison type who just disrupts things, he is more of an athlete playing football then a football playing athlete.

    I would not mind him in Miami, but he wouldn't be "the guy" to take us to a Super Bowl, he's just not that type of player.

    When Carolina went to the Super Bowl, it was due to Kris Jenkins just being an absolute beast, he and Brenston Buckner were just unblockable that year.
     
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  8. Conuficus

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    Just a point of order. It is more likely that Vernon carey will be the one matched up against Peppers more as Peppers would be more likely to play the strong side slot due to his size and power. Adalius Thomas will more than likely be the weak side guy IMO.

    Putting both Peppers and Seymour on the same side allows offenses to run to the opposite side of the field. Mind you Seymour has mailed it in compared to his first few seasons in the league, but still.

    Maybe I'm wrong here, but I think Peppers stays on the strong side.
     
  9. fins4o8

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    As much as i hate to see the Pats trade for Peppers, I think it will benefit Long in the long run. Long can only get better by facing top flight players like Peppers.
     
  10. padre31

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    To add to the discussion:

    That reads like a Sgt Shultz denial, they blame the CBA, but Peppers and the Pats can chat about a contract...
     
  11. dolpns13

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    nice analogy
     
  12. anlgp

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    The reality of your quoted section is that while it is illegal per the CBA teams can (by way of "we do it anyway") still talk about contracts. at that point they're very hush hush but it happens more often than it doesn't. why do you think so many FA land on different teams at 12:05am when the FA period starts at 12:00am?

    If they get peppers I'll be concerned because it's one more person you have to game plan for.
     
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  13. padre31

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    True, with the money involved, the Panthers are staring at 16 million for just this season, they have every interest in seeing Peppers playing elsewhere.

    Peppers has not signed his "franchise" contract as of yet, so techincally, he is still a FA, more then likely the Pats and Panthers have the structure in place and Peppers and his agent are ball parking a contract.

    When the draft rolls around cover your ears, even before they take a pick it will be all "the Patriots are geniuses" for hours.:yes:
     
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  14. I MiZFiT I

    I MiZFiT I The Young And The Bestest

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    Peppers is aging and jake is getting better and getting stronger and getting bigger and getting smarter. edge goes to jake.
     
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  15. New Era

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    While I love having Jake Long...kid is a STUD.

    Peppers is a Star DE, who knows if he can stand up and be as effective. But any team that gets him will be much better. We have struggled like most with the Pats defensive scheme, add Peppers into the mix and it gets much worse.

    RIGHT NOW...Peppers would win more times in a game vs. Jake Long. Saying otherwise is being a bit of a homer, not a really bad one b/c Jake is a great rising star. I also think that Jake will make Peppers look silly on some plays. But overall would have a less than stellar performance vs. Peppers on the Pats.

    Peppers is a beast and causes offenses to gameplan around him on passing downs. No other way to look at it. Chances are if the article said Miami, some would be on here with a much different tune.
     
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  16. djphinfan

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    just because some disagree with you {me especially} does not mean were homers. actually imo. i dont believe your intention is in the wrong place but saying that is a little disrepectful to some who have a conviction about the opposite for which you think.
     
  17. Bpk

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    Yeah, the use of the 'homer' label, or ANY label/name is really a touchy thing and best avoided.

    I think it could be better stated that we would probably be focusing more on Peppers' strengths if Miami were looking to sign him, and more apt to see his flaws if he might sign with a division rival whom we hate.

    It may be a bias at play, but not necessarily. It certainly doesn;t invalidate the arguements of any and all who think Peppers is overrated.

    Personally, I have thought Peppers seemed to be inconsistent and not physically tough/resilient enough. I have a feeling that if he gets his nose bloodied by a very aggressive O-line and power running game like ours, he will be less effective (much like Javon Kearse, these lanky athletes are at their best when not being mauled by inline drive-blocking).

    Now, the best point I have heard so far, is the NFL network analyst who noted that with Seymour, Bruschi, Thomas, Mayo lined up, peppers probably wono't be double blocked as often. That could certainly free Peppers to roam free and attack.

    I also think a guy like Peppers absolutely kills your wide runs or HB screens to that side of the field.

    Peppers is a bigger version of Jason Taylor. He has a great edge rush, a great 'slap' move where he slaps the ball from the QB's hand as he arcs around behind him (causing fumbles).

    In this highlight video he absolutely abuses Cooper Carlisle, walking him back with a bullrush and getting a sack:

    http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80eae4f2


    Most of his sacks came from LT's not getting a deep enough first step on their kick-slide. He has such burst off that edge. Now, whether he is as explosive from a two-point stance remains to be seen. He does, however fight back to the inside very well to gain inside leverage when the O-lineman goes TOO far outside to contain Peppers' edge-speed.

    He really is a lot to handle. THe best thing I could think of would be to run right at him and over him, physically wearing him down with our running game so he is on his heels and beat up by the time passing downs are coming up.


    I don;t want to face him twice a year.

    And I am also sick of the entire NFL sending it's talent to our division. Lito Sheppard, Terrell Owens, Leigh Bodden, Eric Green, Joey Galloway, Bart Scott, and now maybe Julius Peppers. Heck all of them except Bart Scott are moving from the NFC to the AFC too. And all to our lil ol AFC East division.

    Meanwhile the division has lost Laveranues Coles, Matt Cassel (who would not have started this year), Mike Vrabel, Vonnie Holiday, and Andre Goodman.

    Seriously, the inflow of talent into this division FAR outweighs the outflow.

    This could very well be the most talented division in football next season. Us or the NFC East.
     
  18. HULKFish

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    Kinda sounds reminiscent of JT against Boselli... How'd that go?
     
  19. GARDENHEAD

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    If that were the case, why didn't Peppers have 57 sacks last year? Jake Long is a top-10 LT in the league right now. Today. How many times did Peppers face LTs who are worse than Jake in 2008?

    Even marginal LTs "win" more battles against top-flight DE/LBs through the course of a game. That's just a silly comment, regardless of the "homer" insult, which others have addressed properly.
     
  20. djphinfan

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    i could argue that he is the premier left tackle in the game, anybody else you would trade him for strait up? considering his upside, youth, toughness, determination and leadership.. nada, zip, zero, zilch.
     
  21. New Era

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    Sorry about that...did not mean to step on toes. It was a general statement targeted towards some that would say...."Jake would own Peppers or Peppers is old and not worth it, while Jake is the BEST...lol."

    It was not meant towards just anyone that says something different from me...
     
  22. New Era

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    While you would be correct if it was only about sacks. But in the NFL a forced pass early...can be just as good as a sack. I am not saying that Peppers would have 50 sacks during the game. Just that he would have a fear factor in the back of the QB's head..."Man Peppers is getting closer and closer on every play, I hope Jake holds long enough this play."...

    It's about sacks, causing early throws, getting into the QB's head about blindside hits, getting into Jake's head about the quick 1st step or is he going to fake it and bull rush...ooopps offside Offense.

    Guys I love the Jake Long pick last year and after watching him play I think he will be a TOP 5 LT for MANY YEARS. He is a stud...but a very young pup right now compared to a player at his peek with years of experience. That is all I am trying to say.
     
  23. GARDENHEAD

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    Good point.
     
  24. djphinfan

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    I have watched football for a lotta years, Jake Long is unbelievable at getting off the snap count and into position technically..he can totally fluster the player who depends on his own quick first step and nullifies the move, after that Jake just gets his hands on the player and its basically over..it was uncanny watching him last year, i called him a probowl player at mid season because he was that good, he missed a few assignments here and there but nothing in the physical dept..he was truly a dominating player as a rookie.
     
  25. GARDENHEAD

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    Interesting point.

    I doubt anyone would say that his play in 2008 was better than every LT in the NFL. I might I'd trade him straight up for Ryan Clady. Clady was a first-team All-Pro and his contract is six-years, for $14M ($11M guaranteed). Jake Long's is for five years and $57.5M ($30M guaranteed).

    Granted, I've never watched Clady play (God, I feel stupid typing that). Seriously, though, Clady arguably had a better season than Long. He's just as young and a helluva lot cheaper for the ole salary cap. I know for a fact that Long is an intense leader who is tough as all get out. I'm sure Broncos fans would say the same about Clady.

    Good debate, though.
     
  26. PENNSYLVANIADOLPHAN

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    But Clady isn't as good a run blocker as Jake Long is. Long aboslutely dominates in that area.
     
  27. GARDENHEAD

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    Are you sure of that? Have you watched Clady run-block? I honestly have not. I know Jake is a mauler in run-blocking, but maybe Clady is as well.
     
  28. PENNSYLVANIADOLPHAN

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    I haven't seen Clady run block, but those were the reports on Jake Long when he was drafted by the Dolphins. He is the best run blocker in the 2008 NFL draft.
     

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