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My revised modified CB heavy draft

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by MrClean, Mar 8, 2009.

  1. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Ok, I got nothing better to do, so after my mock draft last week and getting some input and rethinking a few things, here is a modified mock draft for this week. I tried to place the players in about the round they are expected to go.


    1. Sean Smith 6-3 215 CB Utah - Sean is really more along the lines of the kind of player Bill Parcells has historically drafted. Size and strength are characteristics we will look for generally and Sean is a big athletic corner who could match up well with the bigger WRs we will need to face, such as Moss, Cotchery and Owens.

    2a. Max Unger 6-5 310 C/T/G Oregon - While we have addressed OL in free agency, including two guys who are C/Gs and Grove penciled in as the starting C, we really have nothing behind our starting OTs that warm the cockles of one's heart. With a player like Unger, we add virtually everything Parcells seeks in a player, durability, productivity, versatility, size and high character. He could be our 1st man off the bench all along the OL if he does not earn a starting job at G or possibly C, necessitating Grove move to RG. If he is a reserve along with Satele or Thomas, and Berger, it would be a lot stronger OL reserve contingent than last year.

    2b. James Casey 6-3 245 TE Rice - Both our #1 and #2 TEs will be free agents next year. Casey is an fine athlete, very productive and versatile. He would give us another receiving threat with RAC ability as a TE or H-Back and could also be incorporated into the Wildcat. He has QB experience and a strong throwing arm, so could be the one to take the direct snap, and maximize the options of adding a passing threat to the run options.

    3. Keenan Lewis 6-1 205 CB Oregon St - He is also a big physical press cover corner who could match up well with the bigger WRs will we face and also has good makeup speed if necessary. He adds to our depth at corner very nicely and in 2010, he and Smith could make a nice starting pair for us.

    4. Chris Baker 6-2 326 NT Hampton - He was a teammate of Langford in college who has fine physical tools that one would seek in a young NT to develop. He has good size, quickness and lower body strength and would give us another option for a backup to Ferguson, and who could conceivably become a starter by 2010.

    5. Frantz Joseph 6-1 242 ILB Florida-Atlantic - He is a tough, physical aggressive tackling machine who throws his body around with wreckless abandon in the run game. He would make a good compliment to Crowder to develop on the inside.

    7a. Michael Ray Garvin, 5-08 185 CB, Florida State - He is a little shorter than ideal, but has the tools to be a good nickel corner to use covering the slot receiver. He is also a fine KOR, as evidenced by the superb job he did in the role for the 'Noles.

    7b. Sammie Stroughter 5-10 190 WR Oregon St - He is basically just a good all around receiver who has everything you look for except ideal height. He has reliable hands in the clutch, good quickness and deceptive speed. I really expect Sammie to make in the league and could be a Keenan McCardell type for many seasons.

    7c. Julius Williams 6-2 262 lbs OLB UConn - College DE who was overshadowed by his more heralded linemate Cody Brown. He is a tweener that would play OLB in the 3-4 and has the pass rush tools to develop possibly in an area where we are lacking for a player to support Porter
     
  2. alen1

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    Great work as alawys, MrClean. I like the Garvin selection, he's a very good athlete and kick returner as you note. He's been injured a lot though IIRC.

    Big fan of the Frantz Joseph pick, I think he's going to be a solid player. I also like the Williams pick but I can't help but think he's going to go somewhere in the late fifth round. Seventh round just seems very late for him.

    Love the pick of Sean Smith, for sure. :up:
     
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  3. Jaj

    Jaj Registered

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    I'm tired of hearing about Sean Smith's lack of quickness and what not. I heard the same crap about Jake Long last year and repeatedly I looked at his quickness scores (which are a very good indicator) and he had better than a number of guys considered far more athletic, but not all I heard was that he was slow etc etc etc...

    Sean Smith has better quickness drills by a decent margin than guys like Moore and Smith and yet gets the title of beating a safety convert. Since when? Why?

    He seems like a guy who should be drafted in the late first round or by the latest 44. If we were to pick Darius Butler and Sean Smith back-to-back I wouldn't be disappointed. After that I'd hope for a WR or a OLB in the next two picks. I'm a little hesitant though to do that in one sense though. I still have hopes for Jason Allen at CB and think that with Smith, Allen, Allen or Butler, Allen, Allen and maybe a free agent we'd be fine.
     
  4. padre31

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    Nice mock, I'd quibble with Unger and maybe put a De/Olb at that slot, but I'd be happy as heck with that draft.

    Heck, 3 guys could play on opening day for us.
     
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  5. azfinfanmang

    azfinfanmang Premium Member Luxury Box

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    That is EXACTLY what I was thinking.

    Could perhaps mildly argue the Unger pick, but wouldnt lose sleep with it either.

    Absolutely LOVE the rest of it.:hi5:
     
  6. Stitches

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    I liked the other draft more. :)
     
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  7. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Yeah that was impressive, his tying Butler and besting D.J. Moore and A Smith in the 3 cone, then beating all 3 of them in the shuttle. I don't think Sean makes it to #44, but I think he's ours if we want him at #25.
     
  8. Jaj

    Jaj Registered

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    I still think that Darius Butler is the pick though. He has decent size, great quickness, speed, instincts, ability to pick the ball, attitude, and he's coachable. He also has had significant interest from us all year. Take him out of his school and put him elsewhere and it's not even close he's a much higher selection overall. His downsides are pretty minimal and that vertical of 43 inches is just a bonus to help in the red zone against a stupid WR who thinks they can simply jump over him.

    Sean Smith is also another option as well however I think they'll probably go with just one CB. I see no reason for us not to be capable of taking on the rest of the league with Butler, Allen with a full training camp at purely CB, Will Allen, a veteran, and Nate Jones.
     
  9. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    You could be right. I slotted them in that order because that is currently the rounds NFLDS project them to go in.

    I researched the corners that BP had with the 80s Giants to refresh my memory, and he seemed to prefer good sized physical guys. Thing is many football fans can name most if not all the Giants front 7 from that era, but next to no one outside the most diehard Giants fans can rattle off the names of their starting DBs.
    The one corner who played for him the longest was Mark Collins 5-10 200 lbs, a 2nd rounder from Cal State Fullerton followed by 7th rounder Perry Williams out of NC State who went 6-2 and 205 lbs. In 1985 with Mark Haynes out, they won the East with UDFA Elvis "Toast" Patterson, 5-11 195, starting all year at CB for them. Haynes 5-11, 195, was an 8th overall selection corner, one of the best corners of the 80s era, who started for them from '80 thru '84. After drafting Collins in '86, Haynes was traded to Denver.
     
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  10. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    It could be Butler for sure at #25. I picked Smith because he is bigger and more physical, two traits that Parcells seems to prefer. Butler has everything except for ideal weight and strength. He was afraid to bench at the combine because he didn't think he could do many reps at all and wanted to try to build up before his pro day. He compensates well for not being that strong though, by consistently tackling low and not trying to face up tackle bigger guys.
    I put two corners high because we seem to double up on positions we are emphasizing. Last yr we took a 2nd and 3rd DE, and a 2nd OG which worked out well in the OG instance, not putting all our eggs in one basket. Then too in the DE instance, the 2nd one taken ended up being the starter.
     
  11. Nappy Roots

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    i just cant see picking another offensive lineman that high. it wont happen IMO
     
  12. PSG

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    I like it, especially Smith and Joseph.
    I would replace the Unger pick with a WR. Either Britt or Robiskie.
    Or with any luck, Nicks or Heyward-Bey.
     
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  13. PENNSYLVANIADOLPHAN

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    I love it, especially the Unger pick.
     
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    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    Ha. It's funny how different people see different things.
    The Unger pick is the one you like the most, but it's the one I would change,
     
  15. Rhody Phins Fan

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    I don't like the idea of both of our second rounders being used on players who would most likely be backups next year.
     
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  16. PENNSYLVANIADOLPHAN

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    I love the pick for so many reasons. One is his versatility. He can play any position on the line, and play it good. A guy with his versatility is an asset. Another reason is because Smiley(who has had injury problems, too) and Thomas are both coming off injuries that ended their seasons. And Grove has had some injury problems to, so having a player that can step in for him if he goes down, or if any Lineman goes down, is key.

    Basically, Im concerned about the depth of our offensive line, and the fact that our interior players have injury issues. And Unger would be a perfect player to back them all up.
     
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    I dislike it because we need pass rushers to cover up our young or mediocre CB core.
     
  18. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Stay tuned for the next installment. It is due to be revised again a time or two. :up:

    I just enjoy putting these things out for discussion. No way do I think my ideas are always the best. I welcome the input. It may be something I hadn't considered highly enough on my own.

    As for pass rushers, I agree we need more help in the area. I was thinking the Wake signing could preclude us focusing on a OLB type high in the draft since he got a deal equal to a 3rd rounder or so. Also, I expect Merling to take his game to a higher level in this regard next season as well as Charlie Anderson possibly too.
    Perhaps next mock draft I will try to emphasize pass rush more, while still not neglecting CB, or OL depth. :)
     
  19. Jaj

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    To each his own I just don't feel they'll throw a bone to Max Unger at 44. They're in love with some defensive players as always right now like Micheal Johnson who may be there at that pick.
     
  20. Big Red

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    Depending on how he runs today I'm still not sold that Sean Smith will make it into the 1st round. You want a CB heavy draft? How about...

    1. Darius Butler 5103 183 CB UConn
    2a. Sean Smith 6-3 215 CB Utah


    I like your thinking with Max Unger. However we need starters to come out of day one not backups. We are probably hoping for another starter with our 3rd round pick as well. One day soon the Dolphins will be all set with our starters and the draft will be all about finding the best talent available regardless of position.
     
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  21. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Thanks about Max. Looking at our roster then, which positions are the most open today, that one of our draft picks could start? To me, it would be any corner we take early. Bill wasn't averse to starting a rookie corner when with the Giants, Pats or Cowboys and I'd guess Tony has a similar viewpoint being his protege'. Also I could see a highly drafted rookie playing RG for us, that spot is unsettled too. If we crossed things up and took Tyson Jackson in round 1, I could see him starting opposite Langford as a rookie, ahead of Merling or Starks, he is that good.
    If we took English in the first, I'm not expecting him to start ahead of Roth in the base D, but probably would come in on passing downs.
    I guess if we take Nick as a WR in round 1, he would very possibly start as a rookie though we would not really need him to.
    IMO, the biggest holes right now today in the starting 22, are RCB on D, and RG on offense. We have some possibles at RG true, but it's not settled by any means.
     
  22. Big Red

    Big Red Long Lasting Freshness

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    RG is very likely to be Donald Thomas or Samson Satele. Probably Thomas.

    My guess is Merling or Starks will start opposite of Langford.

    Actually I believe English would start ahead of Roth. He is very capable of setting the edge. Brown, Matthews, Barwin, Sintim, and Ayers would all probably beat out Roth.

    Nicks would start at wideout. So would Britt or Iglesias.

    Laurinaitis would start at ILB.

    Pettigrew would start at TE which is not a huge area of need but Fasano, Martin, and Haynos are all free agents next year.

    Obviously Butler or Smith would start at CB.
     
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    I am pretty, no very sure Smith was a Safety with Utah till this year. They were thin at CB, so they asked him to give it a shot..and the rest is history.
     
  24. Jaj

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    You're making assumptions. They have the potential to start but those draft picks won't necessarily start. Ayers and Barwin would not start over Roth simply because Roth sets the edge that well and played with an injured groin most of the year. A healthy Roth starts and gets seven sacks. We need better though.
     
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    I dont know about 7 sacks, but I think he was very very effective. He was quietly a big difference in the teams turnaround IMO. Another year playing up and in this scheme, he could quietly go down as one of the better Pre-Tuna/Ireland picks IMO.
     
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    Big Red Long Lasting Freshness

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    Yes I am making assumptions. That's why I used the word probably. :up:

    Sparano said it himself. We still have holes. That means we need to find players in the 1st and 2nd round who can come in and start for us. If Ayers and Barwin aren't good enough to start then we won't draft them. However if we do draft them then I would expect them to get the nod over Roth.

    As far as I know the Dolphins have talked to Brian Orakpo, Clay Matthews, Larry English, Connor Barwin, Michael Johnson, and Paul Kruger. They would all play OLB for us. I don't think the plan is for them to start instead of Joey Porter. That only leaves one guy.
     
  27. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    If we did draft the players in my mock draft, Smith could likely start at CB, Unger is good enough to start at RG, or C and Grove move to RG, and even if he didn't we would have one more reserve OL that was good enough to start and after last year that would be comforting. Casey probably would not start, but he would play plenty of downs as a rookie, enough to make it worth using a late 2nd on him. He also would be a possible starter in his 2nd year or same as one, since we use 2 TE sets so often.

    Haynos btw was a rookie last year, so he would not be a FA in 2010, unless we want to cut him loose. Two seasons behind him would make him an EFA.
     
  28. Big Red

    Big Red Long Lasting Freshness

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    Sean Smith would start. No question.

    Unger is starting material for sure but we have bigger needs. I would be really surprised if we drafted him instead of Connor Barwin, Clint Sintim, Robert Ayers, Kenny Britt, or Ron Brace. Plus there is a strong possibility that Smith will be there at #44. I know we have talked to Michael Oher, Alex Mack, Jamon Meredith, Herman Johnson, Jonathan Luigs, and Andy Levitre but the earliest I see us drafting an offensive lineman is the 4th round. That means guys like Antoine Caldwell, Fenuki Tupou, Tyronne Green, and Augustus Parrish.

    Casey would not start. I agree that he is a possibility at #56 but I would be surprised if we drafted him instead of Coye Francies, Paul Kruger, Juaquin Iglesias, Louis Murphy, Mohamed Massaquoi, or Sen'Derrick Marks.

    BTW You're right about Haynos. He will be an exclusive rights free agent so we could lock him up for 2010 if we wanted.
     

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