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Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by Dominizzo, Jan 15, 2008.

  1. Dominizzo

    Dominizzo New Member

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    Matt Ryan QB- Boston College!!

    I think he will be a great QB!!! Hes a CArson Palmer QB clone in my eyes but better

    We can have a true signal caller for years to come!!! John Beck IMO is not a franchise type QB In my eyes
     
  2. Dominizzo

    Dominizzo New Member

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    Hes also a Fat Tuna type QB
     
  3. Breed

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    He doesn't have anywhere near the arm strength Palmer had when he entered the draft.

    Brohm>Ryan
     
  4. Reminisce

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    I like Matt Ryan personally.
     
  5. #1dolphinsfan

    #1dolphinsfan New Member

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    I would much rather have Brian Brohm or andre' woodson
    all u guys are saying beck isnt a parcells type of QB what exally is a Parcells type of QB
     
  6. miami234ever

    miami234ever New Member

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    It's all about Joe Flacco in round 2-3.
     
  7. Dominizzo

    Dominizzo New Member

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    he has the same intangibles like Carson...same pocket presence the arm stregnth ill give it to palmer but his stance and accuracy is like Carson's!!! The bigger fact is that Matt Ryan is a smarter QB than Palmer makes great decisions@@

    FAt Tuna likes Big Qb's and loves pocket passers...mHe loves Gun slingers.....ala Romo ala Bledose ala Pennington
     
  8. Dominizzo

    Dominizzo New Member

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    he looks great...I wouldn mind...Hes a Big Ben Clone iMO
     
  9. Breed

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    He's never even had a 2:1 TD:INT....

    If you want a "smart QB", Brohm is your man. Brohm also has a stronger and more accurate arm.
     
  10. Dominizzo

    Dominizzo New Member

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    Brohm played ina pass happy offense!!!!!!! I go with MAtt Ryan anyday!!!! Ryan> Brohm
     
  11. Sam

    Sam Member

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    Odd, his own HC, Jeff Jagodzinski former GB Packers OC, said he's had this qb before...it was Matt Hasselbeck.
     
  12. Dominizzo

    Dominizzo New Member

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    I call Chad The Lobbber cuz his arm is weak what i mean is that hes a pocket passer
     
  13. Breed

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    Not true....

    Brohm has played in a pro style offense his entire collegiate career. '07 was the only year in which Brohm had more than 400 passing attempts. As a matter of fact, Matt Ryan had more passing attempts in '07 than Brohm had in '05 and '06 combined. The only thing Matt Ryan has on Brohm is a better ability to avoid the sack.
     
  14. Swampfox

    Swampfox Season Ticket Holder

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    We don't even know if Beck is the man or not yet. I hope we use this draft to put a team around him and then see how he does next year , then decide if we need another QB or not. We really should look at the lottery ticket before we throw it away.
     
  15. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Actually, what "we" should be doing is watching who the Class of 2009 will be at Qb, chances are good we will stay with John Beck ( he works cheap, we will not be very good next year either) this season, if he flames out, who is hanging around for 09?

    And "no" Tim Tebow is not the Man for us...Nebraska used to produce Qb's very much like him all the time, Scott Frost, Turner Gill...no thanks...
     
  16. Swampfox

    Swampfox Season Ticket Holder

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    Tebow is going to stay threw his senior year. Its sad that you have already wrote a possible QB off your list when he still has 2 years to go in college. Yes im a Gator fan but I am willing to wait till his senior year to decide if I want him as a phin.
     
  17. Sam

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    Have you seen Nate Davis (Soph) of Ball State? I watched their bowl game against Rutgers, which they lost because of the talent level difference, but I really thought he was the better qb on the field, really enjoyed seeing him throw the ball, that is, when he had time.

    Go back a year to Nov.4, 2006 as a true freshman vs. Michigan's (10-0)#4 defense: "...Trailing by just eight, Cardinals quarterback Nate Davis threw incomplete on fourth-and-goal with 2:46 left and couldn’t connect on a final-play desperation heave, allowing the second-ranked Wolverines to escape with a 34-26 win on Saturday."..."
     
  18. Roman529

    Roman529 Senior Member

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    I think trading down would be the smartest thing we could do at this point, but whether or not any team will be willing to trade up with us is the big unknown. I think Ryan and Brohm will both be top 15 overall picks and the first QB's taken...I like Ryan a little more than Brohm. If we are not able to grab one of these two guys I think maybe taking Flacco in the late 2nd or early 3rd would be worth the risk.
     
  19. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    I like Ryan but he's no Carson Palmer. Doesn't have the arm. I would consider Brian Brohm more of a Carson Palmer clone. Ryan is more like Matt Leinart if you want to stick to the U$C analogies. I'm not sure we'd pick a QB though I would want us to.
     
  20. High Definition

    High Definition No Smoke / No Drink 2011+

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    No offense, but do you care to elaborate a bit?
     
  21. BSQ

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    If Pennington is a gunslinger then The Sundance Kid is a football player.
     
  22. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I would love it if we picked Matt Ryan. I wouldn't even care if we drafted him with the number 1 pick, but if we could trade down and still get him that would be great.
     
  23. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    yeah, if we trade down and select him in the 2nd. IMO none of these QB's are worthy of a top 10 - 20 pick.

    did you come to this conclusion about Beck by watching the 4 games he played in?
     
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  24. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Yeah I could agree with this. Hasselbeck or a smarter version of Phillip Rivers seems a decent comparison
     
  25. Hugo Guzman

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    I simply cannot see the Dolphins selecting a quarterback in the first round. Also, I'm not completely sold on Ryan. I saw him play some solid games, especially in the fourth quarter, but I also saw him put up some real stinkers.

    Let's give Beck one more year to prove himself and maybe select a mid-round quarterback just to hedge the bet a little bit.
     
  26. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

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    I don't think any of us know whats on Bill Parcell's mind and even though Jeff Ireland is now the GM, IMO Parcell's will have a lot of say in this first draft as head Tuna. Personally I hope the opportunity arrises to trade down and get more picks to rebuild with. I'm hoping that the rumor that Jerry Jones is infatuated with McFadden is true and he is willing to give up the two 1st rounders and more for the opportunity to get him.
     
  27. Danny

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    I think we should stay with Beck and no, I don't think we'll move down to take Ryan.

    Ozzy rules!!
     
  28. REV KEV

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    My take

    I think Roman makes sense..., trade down get your "bounty" of whatever it is hopefully picks for both this year and next.... and choose from there..., no player strikes me worth the kind of money that J.Russell hustled...

    I would take under value to not have to pay that money for a first overall and/or a defensive player..., the LTs and they say there are a lot of good ones will all command Shelton money someday and that is for an average player..., so "collect" your nicklels because good offense costs more in the end...

    CBs, QBs and LTs seem to have the highest salaries in this league..., and that makes sense..., you spend too much outside these categories and you screw up the future...
     
  29. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    I think the caveat is finding a trade down partner. I just don't know if there will be too many opportunities for us out there. In philosophy I am all for it....but I don't know if anyone will really pony up.
     
  30. REV KEV

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    Adam..., Sam posted this before and I believe the point is... "Would you trade a first overall for what amounts to Matt Hasselbecks ceiling..."

    The actual quote from Ryan's coach was hugely posititive on the attributes side..., but SAM and others make a very good point would you trade the no.1 overall for the ceiling of Matt Hasselbeck..., I for one wouldn't..., I would however trade down build into both sides of the line and still take the BPA... That may or may not be Ryan - Atlanta may draft him...
     
  31. President_Flipper

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    Andre Woodson.....nuff said
     
  32. REV KEV

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    I would take less to get out of that position... Not many will agree... But we are re-visiting RBrown VS Braylon Edwards VS. SMerriman...

    They felt compelled to choose RB he was/is a stud... has all the tools..., but there were other many Runners available later...

    If they get out of that position they solidfy themselves for next years draft..., NE always has that second first round pick and they trade around willy nilly it appears and this year they land the 7th overall I believe..., you have to give them credit for that...
     
  33. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    If someone would give us the old first rounder this year plus first rounder next year then I would find that intriguing. I know the general rule is that a first rounder next year holds the same value as a second rounder this year, but that is not 100% true. A first rounder is still a first rounder.

    The bigger problem for us is I think all of the teams in a moveable position behind us should have someone of interest slide to them without having to move. Unless someone gets a real hard on for a specific player I don't really think anyone behind us is going to feel a need to pay.
     
  34. REV KEV

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    agreed
     
  35. adamprez2003

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    Its hard to say what his ceiling is. He has the same attributes as Tom Brady. Same arm, same body type. His ceiling will be determined by his smarts, work ethic and heart. But lets just say for arguments sake he's Matt Hasselbeck. I would do that in an instant. You have just secured your QB position for the next twelve years.

    Right now I see Phillip Merling and Jeremy Thompson being slotted for the 2nd round so I dont see the need to draft DE in the first. I think Solai just needs work on his technique and will improve dramatically with one year of technique work and strength training and I think him and Holliday can man the NT position next year so I dont see a need for Dorsey. Add the injury concerns and the fact he's better suited for a 4-3 and he's off my board. Which brings us to Gholston. I think JT and Porter will man the OLB positions next year so I dont see the need for that pick. I think we're bring in Flozell Adams or someone like Locklear to man the OT position so I dont see the need for Jake Long or Clady. Bottom line I think when all is said and done Parcells will get his franchise QB and basically kill the last vestige of the Cameron regime - Beck
     
  36. REV KEV

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    Oh I hear you Adam..., I just know that if I can trade down and take less... I'm paying less and I still get a good player... BPA - DE/DT/QB whatever.... and maybe a late second or early third round draft pick this year but I would want a first Round pick for next years draft... Perhaps we could stay in the top 10 and make this deal...., the charts say robbery but the charts are not infallible...
     
  37. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    A first rounder next year is the wildcard. That could hold incredible value. From a team like Atlanta that could end up being the number one overall.
     
  38. adamprez2003

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    Hey if the right deal is there and we can get draft picks or a player like Deangelo Hall I would do it in a heartbeat. But it would have to be a good deal. The two Dallas picks dont do it for me. Its too far down and not enough in return even if they add a 2009 number 1 which will basically be a 2nd rounder. To me you cant draft later than Baltimore
     
  39. dredd1050

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    Agree 100%. This is why I think they are "trapped" at the 1.
     
  40. NorFlaFin

    NorFlaFin Active Member

    Here's NFL Draft Scout on Matty Ice:
    Matt Ryan QB
    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=9162
    Note:Matt broke almost all of Philip River records
    Matt is rated 1 among all QB in the 2008 draft
    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2008&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC

    For comparsions sakes here John Becks bio
    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=14254

    John was rated as the 5th QB in the 2007 draft.
    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2007&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC
     
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