Dolphins | Rosenhaus thinks receiver to be taken in NFL Draft

I don't think this guy really knows anything about whose going where in the draft. He should just focus on being an agent.

 

Thats a pretty bold statement, I guess he's branching out now from just being an agent. IMHO I don't think the Dolphins would lock theirselves into any one position at the first pick considering all the needs the team still has an depending on the talent available at the #25 pick.

 

Probabally means he represents the majority of the top tier WRs.

 

Like him or not Rosenhaus is one smart cookie most of the time when it comes to this kind of stuff.

 

Not that I care what that Punk Drew has to say, but it's not an unreasonable assumption that we'd be looking in that direction, but I'm sure this is just his opinion. There is certainly a scenario that it plays out that way...lets just suppose here:

Suppose we get Brown as our top tier FA, a CB (Foxworthy, Bartel, Bodden or McFadden) and an ILB (Scott, Barton or re-sign Crowder) that can all be penciled in as starters in FA... With Brown it wouldn't be a surprise if a deal couldn't be worked out with Satele, say a 3rd rounder in return for him... Now with 5 picks in the first 3 rounds, they can go with one of the top level WRs at #25 (Heyward-Bey is the most often mentioned and he fits the Tuna's WR profile) and still get the young guys they want....

Of course this is all fantasy-land stuff, but you never know and I wouldn't put anything past this group running the show in Davie...

 

He seems to be just guessing but I wouldn't be shocked if we went with Kenny Britt or Hakeem Nicks at 25, assuming they are available.

 

Nicks is the stud from UNC right ? If so I thought he wouldn't fal to us ? Is this possible ?

 

Yep. Its unlikely but possible. I wouldn't complain ending up with Rutgers Kenny Britt either.

 

Thanks Alen !

 

In general WRs tend to fall on draft day. Also Bey put up some impressive numbers at the combine so that (unjustifiably IMO) may push him above Nicks. If we do get Brown C in FA as is being reported then Nicks becomes my preferred pick at #25.

 

Why do people continue to listen to this clown? Seriously, are we that stupid to where we can't see he's only pushing his own agenda?

 

What agenda is this? The drafting of a WR at #25 would probably kick his client, Wilford, to the curb.

 

If we pick a receiver not named Crabtree in the first round and pass on much needed defensive help I'l never get to see him play a game...I'll throw myself off my balcony before he's interviewed by ESPN via satellite.

 

Yeah, it's odd to hear Drew say we need a receiver one year after he delivered us the craporifous Ernest Wilford.

Rafael, my best guess is Drew reps a few receivers who may go early in the second.

 

Know what I see? The Dolphins getting bigger. Much bigger.

Here is my dream of how we can become a big, hairy, brutish team.... (note: while it's possible any one of these things could happen, it's virtually impossible ALL of these players could be available where we pick.)

We sign Jason Brown (6-3, 320) at center, then in the draft:

Round 1 - Everette Brown (6-2, 256) at #25, converting him to OLB, or if we go ILB I'd prefer whichever of Maualuga or Cushing is still available (though Cushing's not ideal at ILB). Honestly, I really don't like the value of any player at #25 unless someone falls to us by surprise. I'd trade down if I could.

Round 2, we get OG Herman Johnson (6-7, 364) with pick 2a.

2b - WR Kenny Britt (6-3, 218)

3rd - Safety William Moore (6-0, 221) though he looked lost at the Senior Bowl, OR, if by some miracle he is available, preferably CB Sean Smith (6-4, 214).

4th round RB Rashad Jennings (6-1, 231) out of Liberty (Ricky and Ronnie entering last year of contracts). If Jennings is not available or I missed out on Everette Brown earlier, I look at DE David Veikune (6-3, 257) as a DE to OLB conversion.

5th round - If available, DT Chris Baker (6-2 326) from Hampton, the same place Kendall Langford was developed. A good combine has probably moved him up though, so if Baker's off the board I go with whomever remains of WR Ramses Barden (6-6, 229) or WR Patrick Turner (6-5, 223)

No 6th Round Pick

7th Round - 7a ILB Jasper Brinkley (6-2, 252) has lots of upside. Since his performance last year wasset back by knee surgery recovery, he is underrated on some boards. His run at the combine reassured me that his knee problem seems behind him.

7b - DE Jeremy Navarre (6-3 284) is the only guy I have who needs to put on size. He is clutch, high motor, understands leverage (has played inside and outside on the D-line), and has quickness. With a little more size (courtesy of the Parcells offseason program) Navarre has long-term upside as a 3-4 DE in our rotation.

7c - Dallas Reynolds (6-4 314) is a Center/Guard/Tackle who has experience at every line position. The ideal late-round value to build back-up depth, flexibility and size along our O-line.


What an influx of size, nastiness, and physicality that draft would be across the entire roster.

Wow.

Hey, a guy can dream, can't he???

 

Brother Barry, whatchu been drinking this morning

No way Britt to the end of the second (Perhaps not even the end of the first) and NO WAY Sean Smith falls to the end of the 3rd...


Would be a very very nice draft for us though

 

Yeah, I know.

Like I said... it's more a "wouldn't it be awesome if..." draft wishlist than predictions.

At almost every slot I have someone falling a round to us. lol.

I think ONE of Britt or Nicks will be there in the second round, though. One of 'em. Maybe.

 

Tell you what, not to get completely OT, but I would love to see Kraig Urbik or this kid Murtha from Nebraska fill either that 3rd round or 7a spots ahead of the kids you have mentioned. That kid out of LSU is too big to get out of his own way. Size is good, but only if you know how to use it.

Oh, and I would personally call it a good draft outright if we were able to pick up Britt with our 2b, I just dont see it.

 

God are there any other agents out there? I'm so sick of seeing this guys name.

 

I sure hope so we need one !!!

 

Rosenhaus just talks because he knows people will listen. He's an ace negotiator and an over all great agent for his clients. I just don't like him as a mouth.

 

My choices:

If we sign Brown then I'd also like to bring back Bell and Goody (and/or Bodden)

Round 1 and 2a: I like Larry English and Hakeem Nicks. But I see a big WR as a greater need than OLB. So I'd also be happy with Nicks followed by Sintim or Barrow. Also I see Britt as a much greater bust risk than Nicks.

2b: Rashad Johnson S.

3: Pat White QB/WR only if we trade Beck. If not I'd bring in a CB or double up at S.

4: Chris Baker DT

5: Franz Joseph ILB

7a, 7b, 7c: RB, FB, OT

 

Its possible that Bey is drafted ahead of Nicks but I don't think he's the better receiver. Nicks is a top tier wide receiver prospect in my opinion.

Honestly, I hope we don't draft Everette Brown. I'd take Clint Sintim over him every time. Just my personal opinion but I'm not too impressed with Brown. He struggles to shed blocks, can't set the edge nor does he have multiple pass rush moves.

 

We definitely agree there. I'm not even sure if I would rank Bey above Britt. But people see that great 40 time and a few highlights and it over shadows what you see on film.

 

Agreed. I don't have Bey ahead of Britt, Crabtree or Nicks.

 

True, Urbik would be interesting. I know Confucius is high on him, or was, around the time of the Senior Bowl proactice. I felt he underperformed in the SeniorBowl itself, though it was hard to see him clearly on the postage-stamp-sized download of the game, obviously. He has played OG, so maybe we try him at RG?

He has the requisite size we like (6-6 323). I think I still saw him give up ground a lot on the bullrush though.

I don't know enough about Murtha to have much opinion there. Found this though:

I agree that Johnson is a lumbering giant who couldn't pull to save his life and isn't ideal at the second level. But as an in-line run blocker between the tackles he'd be a force. Put him between Jason Brown and Vernon Carey and that's like the wall around Fort Knox. Over 1000lbs of beef.

I love Britt's physical style. some bigger guys still play soft, but in Britt, you get your money's worth from every pound.

 

Well, if we sign Brown I'm pretty sure one of either Bell or Goodman will be allowed to leave. There's only som much money to go around. That said, Scout.com has Bell ranked very low (like tenth or eleventh?) on it's list of Free Agent safeties, so maybe there won;t be a market for him. Goody has years of taint on him fro Detroit and underperforming here as well. He was stellar in the last half of 2008, but how much could that have changed his league-wide reputation as mediocre? That rep took years to build. I want him to stay, so kinda hope the market's soft for him too.

If Goody and Bell get lowballed by the market, then we definitely keep both.

I'd rather see Sintim than English. I think he's more well rounded. I'd also rather have an OLB than a WR, as I think players closer to the LOS have a more direct impact on every play. Also, why get a possibly elite reciever who may be limited in being fully utilized down the field? Fact is, Chad is great, but he's not a sling the rock downfield all the time guy. Our offense isn't really downfield pass-heavy either. Rather have an OLB in this system than a WR. I mean, who was more important to us last year, our top WR or our top OLB?

If we were to go WR, though, I agree that Nicks is probably more polished and more obviously ready for the pros, but I think Britt will be fine with the right coaching and QB. Chad Pennington makes his receivers better and helps them develop.


No interest in Pat White. The Wildcat is something we do sometimes. We should focus on building our base offense and defense with top notch starting-pieces before taking on players who could do a bunch of things pretty well, but maybe none of them great. Decent QB, maybe. Decent WR, maybe. Wildcat potential, probably. Top talent at any starting position? Nope.

Definitely like to see some redundancy at Safety or CB (depending on whether Bell or Goody leaves). If it weren;t for the bad taste that hybrid Safety/Cornerback Jason Allen had left in my mouth, I'd be ALL OVER getting Sean Smith and plugging the big guy in at either position. After the Allen-Experience, though, I'm scared that such players, with potential at two positions, sometimes never catch on at either one.

Loving Baker. Oh yes, but this week's combine performance has him up at low 3rd or in the 4th. I wanted him as a value in the 5th. Not sure I take Baker in the 4th. Because this draft is VERY heavy with 2nd and 3rd round talent, I think a few guys with 3rd roound grades will still be available in the 4th round. I would rather go for one of them than take Baker. It would be nice to not rely on Soliai as Ferguson's back-up, but I won't reach in the draft, nor pass up on great value if it falls to us here. Which it will.

Rashad Jennings would be a coup in round 4, and David Veikune has been on fire. I was impressed with his competitiveness at the Senior Bowl. I think this is one of those guys people chronically underestimate, but who performs. I take him in round 4 if Jennings is gone. Veikune works into the rotation immediately and could be starting by year two.

Franz Joseph is good, but he does not help us get bigger. I want us to be the schoolyard bullies who take other teams' lunch money. For that, we need bigger players.

Fullback is interesting. It would be hard to let Lou Polite go, given his short-yardage success in clutch situations. A little camp-competition never hurt anyone though, right? lol

 

Agreed that Sintim is more complete as a player, but I think Brown improves at setting the edge with coaching and a good strength training program here. The pass rush moves are a trade-off for him bringing better size to the dance than Sintim.

Guess my draft philosophy is kinda obvious by now, huh?

 

Thing is that, he doesn't bring better size. Everette Brown is 6'1 1/ 2, 256 lbs. while Sintim is 6'2 3/4, 256 lbs. I think Clint Sintim, who Conuficus has been talking about for months, is still an underrated player. He's a guy that I would have no issue taking at 25. He's not a guy who will 'wow' you but he's solid in just about every aspect. He can cover - I watched him against Virginia Tech and he covered the flats as well as slot receivers and tight ends - and he can get after the Quarterback. He's got good quickness and burst as a defensive end and then as an outside linebacker he has the hips to cover as noted earlier in the post and he still provides the quickness off the edge. Personally, I think he's a very good player and continues to be left out in discussions for some reason.

 

News to me! I just checked again and you're right. Info I had showed Sintim listed at 249. Not small, but not big.

At the same size, oh yeah, I take Sintim all day long. I love how disciplined he is while still being explosive. Polished but aggressive.

I like Sintim plenty. Thanks for correcting me on the size issue. You've changed my mind on who I want at #25.

 

I'm hoping that Bell and Goody's age and injury history will keep the market low on them.

I agree that Sintim's well rounded. I don't know that he's considerably better than Barrow though. A bit better yes, but it's not a huge difference IMO. English, on the other hand, seems to have that special first step. Neither Sintim or Barrow have that.

And I had OLB as a bigger need before we signed Wake. IMO (and this has also been echoed by some league personnel as well) he is the equivalent of a first day pick (1st or 2nd rd). His measurables at the combine were almost identical to Demarcus Ware's (and better than English). But he apparently lacked focus and discipline and ended up going to the CFL. It seems though that sometime in that last two years the light came on. It seems that people are forgetting that we signed this guy.

I like Britt but he's no where near as good of a route runner as Nicks. I see route running as one of the make or break differences between many of the successful and unsuccessful WRs. I see Nicks as one of the surest things in the draft while Britt is more of an unknown. I guess I'm just willing to pay the premium for that greater certainty.

IMO you only take White if you believe he has the potential to be starter someday. You don't just draft him for the WC. The WC potential is just something I see as a bonus so that you get some return while he's developing as a QB.

IMO JA will eventually be fine. I just don't think he's that bright. Eventually, when he's absorbed enough, his physical talents will come forth. I don't know if that will be with Miami though. That wouldn't stop me from taking Sean Smith unless I thought he had a similar football IQ.

I'm sure we'll pick up a NT type somewhere in this draft.

I've seen Jennings as low as the 6th round and as high as the 2nd. I have no idea where he'll go. I don't know much about Veikune.

I like smart, instinctive ILBs. Size is a plus but for me the size thing is of secondary importance.

I've heard they're looking for another FB. I'm sure they'll bring a few in. I just think they'll be late pics or UDFAs.

 

I don't know how much people are forgetting it, I think its more of people not putting expectations or faith in the guy and that's where I fall as well. He has straightened up according to his interviews but he still hasn't shown anything in the NFL and that's why I think that OLB is still a need for us, even if it is a situational pass rusher like Larry English for example - Note: I think that English would eventually take over the weakside spot if he was to be on this team but at first be a situational pass rusher.

I absolutely agree with you here that Nicks is way ahead of others in terms of route running and a sure pick. I'd probably say that Austin Collie is one of the better route runners but I still think there's a pretty wide margin separating Nicks and the other receivers. In reference to Kenny Britt, I think that he's a better route runner than given credit for. He does a good job of using his head and shoulders to separate from defensive backs, like Nicks does (but not as good as Nicks IMO).

I agree with you here and I think that's where Frantz Joseph falls in. Enjoy watching him play, I think he's about ten pounds lighter than he should be but he's a solid player. Took part on special teams and has a relentless motor. I worry about him avoiding trash as I seen him struggle with it. What I wonder about him is his ability to be a 3-down linebacker. He's decent in coverage at best IMO.

I can understand the concern but I think if you select a player of Smith's caliber, you have to make sure to let him settle on one position and develop his game at that spot, then later hope he contributes in other areas in the defensive backfield.

 

Me too.

I'm not forgetting. As Alen said, though, I am not placing any expectations on him, given his circuitous route to joining the NFL. This is a 3-4 and you can never have too many great linebackers anyways, so I'd like to get a couple more, one great ILB, one great OLB.

Understood. I agree that route running is critical. Size may kill defenders, but route-running kills defenses. I just think that we need someone extremely physical and aggressive out there to balance out Ginn's no-contact rule.

It's not clear to me that he'll be a top-notch starter at any given position in the NFL. So I'd pass, unless he falls to 'luxury pick' terriroty... the 6th or 7th round. Which would never happen.

Yeah Jason Allen seems about as sharp as a puddle of molasses. Not sure about Sean Smith. I'd love to know Allen and Smith's wonderlics.

Agreed. And I hope it's Baker, but I don't think it will be, because someone's gonna grab him in round three and mess up our master plan to take over the universe.

Veikune's a high-motor guy who just seems to make plays, even though his physical gifts don't seem to leap out at you. Jennings has the size, vision and decisiveness on cutting to a running lane that I really like. He's nothing flashy, and his top gear is only average but he is just a great move-the-chains-back who can wreak some damage in a secondary when he busts through. He'll get you short yardage, and turn some 3 yard runs into 8-12 yard runs. Takes good angles when he gets into the linebackers, not scared of contact but doesn;t choose contact first if he can find a lane to run in. Just a solid back, imo.

Differing philosophies. I think if Parcells were like-minded, he woulda kept Zach Thomas, who is the very definition of what you just described.

They damned well better be. If our 2a pick is a fullback I'll be saying colorful things to my TV set.

 

I think that Hakeem Nicks fits your description, despite being just over six feet tall. I know that many want Anquan Boldin here and its understood why. He would bring another dimension here, with a tough and physical frame to outmuscle defensive backs. Hakeem Nicks reminds me a lot of Anquan Boldin. Nicks has got very good upper body strength and is lethal after the catch. He's got a nose for the endzone and will throw stiff-arms as well as drag defenders to get to where he wants. He's a good blocker as well. I personally love Hakeem Nicks as a prospect, he's a very good player in my opinion.

Rashad Jennings also got a nice pair of hands on him.

 

I think the biggest concern with ZT was the concussions. BP doesn't like injury-prone and there was a thought that he would become concussion-prone after last season. I read somewhere that his headaches ended up being caused by something else, so that was no longer a concern. It wouldn't surprise me terribly if he ended coming back to us if the Cowboys signed Ray Lewis.

 

This sucks to say, but I don't think I want Zach back.

I think his play is slowly declining. WE need young, fast, strong and ultra-aggressive in this 3-4 attacking D.

Zach simply isn;t fast/quick enough anymore, imo, nor would he recklessly stick his head in there as ferociously as newer, younger, bigger guys.


Still... one of the best to EVER play the position. And certainly the hardest working. His film study, and care for his body made him stand out.

To try to stay on topic a bit... my current draft thinking is that I would like to target the guys who played great football, but had poor combines. They'll be undervalued based on combine events that will have little to do with their success in the NFL.

Rey Maualuga is a prime example. If he falls to #25, by some chance, I take him in a heartbeat.

 

I'm torn on him. He has questionable instincts and he's not really as big as we thought he was before the combine. And now that we re-signed Crowder it's less of a need. Still a need, but less dire. Right now I would take Nicks, Mack or English over him. We'll see what happens with FA. We may still trade for Carpenter, sign Jason Brown and Laverneous Coles. My guess is that #25 will truly end up being a BPA pick.

 

I'd take consider taking Sintim over Maualuga, to be honest.