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Huizenga: Player Costs Hurting NFL

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Fin Fan In Cali, Feb 12, 2009.

  1. Coral Reefer

    Coral Reefer Premium Member

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    simplistic argument.

    They "bring in that much money"?

    They bring in Tens of Millions of additional dollars every single year that justify their pay increases yearly?
    Horse manure!

    It's an inflated market, inflated by their greedy demands.
    No different than the Housing market or the inflated Stock market during the dot com scams. They force increases of income by their demands that are passed on to the increasingly stressed consumer (the fans). At some point it will catch up and hurt the league.

    You have an incredibly successful businessman in Wayne H. laying it out for everyone and still some don't get it. I actually hope there is a work stoppage in the NFL when the deal ends that forces change. Bring on the Scabs!
     
  2. Rhody Phins Fan

    Rhody Phins Fan Well-Known Member

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    The players get paid a percentage of the money that the league takes in. That's what the salary cap is. Who are you to say, "oh that's too much money other people are suffering." Boo hoo. It sounds a lot more like bitterness than savvy. You are treating the players as if they are the CEO's of Citigroup. The players are nothing more than highly paid employees.
     
  3. Alex44

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    I'm sorry but I believe you are 100% wrong. The players are the ones who bring in the money with their play. The players are the ones that often have short life spans and bad physical ailments after their playing days.

    They continue to receive more money because the NFL continues to grow, people are willing to pay these crazy prices. Based on your arguement it is the FANS fault for continueing to support an overly expensive product.
     
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  4. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Actually its not a paycut, its a "salary freeze". And frankly, the fact that Goodell is grandstanding about this is sick. The dude makes a 11 Mill a year. An owner making 11 million a year yet the athletes are overpaid?! C'mon fellas.
     
  5. Shoes

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    Just a correction, it's a $3.5 billion contract extension, $700 million per season for 5 years, just to put that in perspective, they lose money on each customer, 2 million Sunday Ticket customers at $700 million a year is $350 per customer but they do it to attract us for their overall service.
     
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  6. rafael

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    The owners should make a lot more than the players. Owners are just more rare. They are by far more important. Sure, players are the ones the that people go to see, but the vast majority are replaceable by a long line of potentials coming out every year. Billionaires who want to run NFL franchises are few and far between.

    Does anybody know what percentage of the gross a typical recording artists or any other entertainer makes? It seems that this would be a good point of comparison. I know this should vary according to individual contracts but it would have to be entertainers who aren't the producers as well. I really have no idea but I'm hoping somebody in our membership has some insight into that industry. I would guess though that the entertainer would make far less than 60% of the gross.
     
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  7. New Era

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    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-02-12-roger-goodell_N.htm

    NFL commissioner Roger Goodell will take a pay freeze in 2009 and cut his total compensation for 2008 by 20%-25%, USA TODAY has learned.

    As part of a league-wide salary freeze for all NFL employees, Goodell is freezing his current annual compensation of $11 million for upcoming fiscal 2009 even though his contract entitles him to an automatic pay raise, NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy confirmed Thursday.

    So, yeah he took a 2 million dollar PAY CUT and FROZE his salary along with all other NFL employees. Either way you look at it...

    1) He gave up 2 million dollars. I don't care how much he makes. He gave up 2 Million dollars.:hi5:

    2) He is paid FAR LESS than anybody else that runs a BILLION dollar company. Most CEO's make over 100+ million a year. I can give you links to at least 10 companies that REPLACED top executives and they walked with 50+ MILLION upon termination. So his 11 million is a joke by those standards for the man that runs the NFL.

    I wish he would stick to his guns more with the penalty process with players. But overall he is doing a fine job and deserves the CREDIT for giving up 2 million.
     
  8. Coral Reefer

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    LMAO at those on here defending the players while belittling Godell giving up a pay raise.

    You won't see that from any players or their agents and you can bet on that.

    Again, everyone is ignoring a business genious laying out how player greed is rapidly outpacing the actual worth of the product and out pricing it's base of support, the fans.

    The more I have to debate this the more I feel disgust.
    Bring on a player strike and some scab ball!
     
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  9. Coral Reefer

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    That's about as far an alignment as we'll get on this argument.
    We both feel the other is completely wrong.

    Oh please.
    If players never recieved a pay raise again they'd still be in the top levels of income and paid well for their sacrifices.

    If your argument is sacrifices players make with their health then why wouldn't you be supporting a more balanced dispersal of profits to all then?
    Hmmm?

    Ah, so price gouging is a concept you are ok with?
    Because people have fallen in love with a product and resist giving it up then it's fine to take advantage of that until the consumers get tired of getting screwed?

    Yeah.... that's exactly how we got to the point where corporations are able to get away with anything to raise profit margins without any concern of the health of the economy as a whole, their companies long term health or the consumers their product is supposed to benefit.

    Ultimately, you're right it is fans continuing support of this product that allows them to continue to put the nuts to us without care. However, it would be nice for a change for any business to stick to a model that is fair in dispersing it's benefits for all involved. Is that to much to hope for? I guess it is when so many just don't give a crap.

    It's one thing to realize that you have to eat a Shiznit sandwich to be a fan.
    You either pay what they tell you it costs or you stop being a fan so you deal with it.

    It's a whole different ball game to actually agree with getting screwed in pricipal though.
     
  10. Coral Reefer

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    These comments are absolute idiocy.

    An economy is affected by every single business entity in it.
    Entertainment is no different.
    If you have a business that is showing disregard for it's place within that economy and continuing to show signs that it's only regard is profiteering to levels that threaten it's place in that structure and a complete disregard for it's consumers it serves then it should absolutely be called out.

    Call it bitterness if you'd like.
    I say its calling it like it is and we should all be doing that much more considering the lessons everyone should be learning in the state of disarray our economy is in.
     
  11. Rhody Phins Fan

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    The players aren't the one setting the prices. They get a percentage of what the league brings in, which I believe is 60 percent. Who are you to say that they get too much money? They came to an agreement that says that they will get a percentage of league profits and that is what they get. Please explain exactly how the NFL is going to bring down the entire US economy. (even more)
     
  12. New Era

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    The only way the NFL can really hurt the U.S. economy is...

    1) Declare bankruptcy on their 9 Billion dollar debt as of 2008. Not sure how big of a loan they just took for 2009. Not to mention the billion dollar lawsuits from NFL product makers and Direct TV.

    2) Stopping play for a year, could make people like me go crazy in public places...lol. Then nobody would be brave enough to leave their homes, b/c of distraught fans like me.

    I don't see a way any one company could do that to any Country. Even if Microsoft & Warren Buffet declared bankruptcy on the same day. That would be over 110 Billion dollars and still would not bring down a small economy like our friends up north (Canada).
     
  13. Coral Reefer

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    You really think players financial demands on the system don't affect prices of the NFL product and what the league needs to bring in to cover that increasing percentage you qoute? Demanding million dollar increases per year absolutely affects prices. You say it's normal business? It affects everything from how much you'll have to pay for a new hat to how much the NFL has to demand from the networks for TV contracts. Show me another business where that happens and that can sustain such ridiculous increases. You're seeing the results of that mentality in all our markets right now.

    The NFL is an entertainment and emotional product that is put out. People grow up with being a fan and it's ingrained into their psyche. Because of that, they are able to take advantage of it's fans and push the envelope of pricing higher than it should be.

    That's what Wayne H., who id say is pretty damn business "savy" is saying. That this type of price inflation yearly won't be sustainable and it's ultimately hurting the customers of it's own product. Why this is so hard for some of you to comprehend is beyond me.


    :lol:

    Sure, as soon as you show me where I said that.
    Another inane comment.
     
  14. Coral Reefer

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    Theres no reason for you to even have addressed this as this was never a stated argument.

    It hurts the U.S. economy on an individual basis.
    The greed induced prices force loyal fans to make tougher financial choices than they should have to in order to continue being fans.

    That's what Wayne H. was stating, not that the NFL's increased cost of operations would cripple the country's economy as a whole like this one poster tried to play up.

    From the article:

    Nothing there in this article or in my comments of how the NFL would singlehandedly bring down the U.S. economy.
    Just a silly comment insinuating it.

    As for the overall suffering of the economy, yeah, it does in fact play a role.
    Just one of many pieces of what's wrong with our financial model today.
     
  15. Rhody Phins Fan

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    The players can demand more money but they still get paid underneath the cap. The owners agree to pay a certain percentage of players and that is what the players get. An individual player may demand more money but that means that another player would make less.

    I apologize for exaggerating about the NFL "bringing down" the economy but I still think that you are exaggerating the effect that the NFL has on the country.
     
  16. GARDENHEAD

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    I'm joining this party a bit late, but allow me to ask Mr. Huizinga a question:

    H. Wayne, when you sold the Dolphins a few weeks ago, did you have to pay the players 60% of the profit you made? What's that you say? No? Then shut your piehole. You done good.
     
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    If he quit tomorrow would it affect anyone? Would anyone care? The answer is NO. The NFL is not a publicly traded company so no chance of a stock going down... exactly what does he do to earn 11 million a year?

    I can't believe you guys are defending the Commissioner and saying the players are overpaid. Unreal.
     
  18. New Era

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    Yes it would affect the NFL to lose Roger Goodell...not sure what your are getting at. That really makes no sense, and lowers the merit of your opinion on the topic.

    I am not sure what your background is in business. I have a strong background in sports marketing. The money he makes is well earned and could not be done by just anyone. If he was replaceable with ease, as you suggest his salary would be compared to a local Fast Food worker.

    If you don't think the Rookie Salaries are overpaid, then you do not understand what they are being paid. There is NO REASON Jake Long should be the highest paid OL in the history of the NFL. I don't give a crap what team he plays for...NO ROOKIE IS WORTH THAT! The HIGHEST PAID players should be VETS. Part of the Rookie contract money should also be removed for RETIRED VET medical bills.

    CEO's like Roger cost billion dollar companies .... HUNDREDS of millions of dollars over the term of their leadership. So, yeah he is underpaid by standard CEO pay.

    ...
     
  19. New Era

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    I was only posting to one of the last post in the topic.

    I never stated it could bring down the US economy...

    I simply quoted part of a topic and responded to it...


    The only way the NFL can really hurt the U.S. economy is...

    1) Declare bankruptcy on their 9 Billion dollar debt as of 2008. Not sure how big of a loan they just took for 2009. Not to mention the billion dollar lawsuits from NFL product makers and Direct TV.

    2) Stopping play for a year, could make people like me go crazy in public places...lol. Then nobody would be brave enough to leave their homes, b/c of distraught fans like me.

    I don't see a way any one company could do that to any Country. Even if Microsoft & Warren Buffet declared bankruptcy on the same day. That would be over 110 Billion dollars and still would not bring down a small economy like our friends up north (Canada).
     

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