beck struggled big time , out of all the rookie qb's he was by far the worst , let's hope get's better for our sake.
JaMarcus Russell: Two TDs (both through the air), four interceptions, in 36/66 attempts (54.5%) Brady Quinn: 3 of 8 passes completed. That's it. John Beck is not even the worse.
And then what?? Draft a QB? Because of our dismal season we have the luxury of evaluating and drafting a QB early this year. Why take the chance and wait? I realize no draft pick is a "cant miss" but thats what drafting is all about. You`re saying wait til after 2009, what if Beck sucks in 2008?
....and basing their opinions on limited playing time. Are you also taking into consideration the lack of supporting talent and the bland offensive playcalling? There are extremes on both sides of the argument, but most Beck supporters are saying "give the guy a chance and don't write him off based on the very limited body of work".
Beck had a horrible rookie season. My only concern is his age. He's already older than some starting QB's in the league and if he needs a lengthy amount of time to develop, unless he pulls a Favre-esque longevity, he'll lose precious years when he could be in his prime. Question now is whether Parcells thinks Beck is his guy or if he wants to bring in his own project.
The Miami Dolphins are starting a rebuilding process. Our season isn't going to be ruined if he struggles next year because they aren't going to be a playoff team. It will take a minimum of 2 years to get the type of players that Parcells and Co. are looking for and for them to start to turn this team around and create an identity, so we have some time to be patient with Beck. His success/failure isn't going to make or break our season.
I agree with that . I have no problem whatsoever with that. What I do disagree with is when fans here claim Beck is a guarenteed %100 cant miss future star. I`ll say it once again..WE NEED A BACK UP PLAN, ...You know,just in case by some freak of nature that Beck is indeed *GULP* a bust.
Absolutely, you always need a backup plan no matter who your QB is. That's why the Phins need to find a vet backup as insurance should Beck fail to be the starter next year. But with all the holes on this team and the many many many needs on defense, I just can't justify spending our #1 on a QB. Good QB or not, we can't give up 30+ points a game and try to outscore our opponents every week.
If we can find a young Qb to groom in the mid to later rounds, I'm all for it. But I think it's more important to find a vet that can step in if Beck struggles. There are so many areas of need, but defense ranks at the top of my list.
I disagree LuG, we have the rare opportunity to develop Qb's on a parallel track, a youngster can learn the game at the same time John Beck is learning it, a Vet will always bring about the temptation to play him over the project Beck, the win now mentality will never go completely away as long as the Vet is perceived as giving us a better chance to win. We saw that this season.
Different leadership Cam and Randy were in a win now mode, that's why they signed Porter and brought in Trent Green IMO. I'm pretty sure and pretty confident that the new regime doesn't feel that this team is one or two players away from the playoffs. This is a rebuild, not a retooling and I have confidence that the FO realizes that.
Actually, it's not Ireland and Whomever that I worry about succumbing to the temptation to play the Vet, it's Wayne H, he may be a tycoon at business, but he thinks like a fan not an NFL guy developing Qb's. We see enough empty seats at Dolphins Stadium and Wayne will get as nervous as a tom kat at a rocking chair convention.... I hope Tuna and Wayne go deep sea fishing or golfing together for most of the season, let the stadium be rebuilt and improved and they both stay hands off just for the sake of their health...
And how long do you give that QB? 2 games? Quarter and a half? Nonsensical. If Beck sucks in 2008, you wait and see what happens after he's had more than 1 season and 4 games. How long did it take Drew Brees? Peyton Manning? The pantheon of quality NFL passers who struggled in their first season and a quarter is LONG. The win yesterday/trigger happy mentality that decrees that a guy who played 4 games and was the 40th pick should now be replaced by a guy with the 1st overall pick is, frankly, well......I'm not sure words have been invented.
It's the fumbles Boomer, they do not speak well of John Beck, that is Qb 101 stuff and should not be an issue at this level, could be Samson was snapping the ball too hard (sic) as Lemon fumbled snaps as well, but that sort of stuff is unacceptable. The one thing about Beck that mollifies that is how tough he is, and IMO, he will improve, but if we start out 2008 watching Beck mishandling snaps the writing may be on the wall for him. And Boomer: Not Mum...
"We" never heard the reasons why Beck was fumbling so much though, does he have small hands? Was our Oline that poor? Was Samson hiking 90+ mph fastballs? One thing I think people will miss from CamRan is the press conferences, Cam was pretty straight forward, the Tuna's template is not to give away much of anything.
You are going to get all whole book of excuses I'm sure. My guess is many of those QB's you listed (Griese on a expansion team for example) had many bad things around them. I think we all suspect Beck won't cut it but it's a hole Cam put us in. (1) we are stuck with a guy we have to at least look at. (b) we didn't get a good enough look at him this year. (3) I'm not sure many in NFL circles visualized him as a franchise QB prior to us picking him. Just another reason to thank Cam.
Certainly not his hands. His hands were, if I remember rightly, 9.5, which is the same as JaMarcus Russell's. I supplied a load of this info to the Sun Sentinal the other day - Jay Cutler's hands are TINY.
Good stuff Boomer, and he had the cannon arm at the combine throwing as good a ball as Russel does. Last season, Beck seemed mesmerized by blitz packages, the Bills game was a great illustration of that, one play Beck just fumbled for a TD, the next series Lemon threw a 50+ yd td to Ted Ginn and that was the end of the blitzes (but not the fumbles). I recall Cam saying something about "His athleticism didn't appear" concerning Beck, any idea "why" that happened? Supposedly Beck could run a bit (4.8 40 as I recall) yet in the games it never seemed to happen?
I wrote in VIP as a junior that he was my QB to watch in 2006, that I was very high on him. I likened him to a stronger armed Rich Gannon. He showed athleticism on about play 3 in Philly when he ran for a 1st, but it was almost like he was banned from doing it. I do think they were ludicrously conservative with him. Honestly, I think hv is so competitive, that he just wanted to make a play, rather than letting his natural ability and brain take over. He needs to control that. But I also know as fact from 2 seperate sources that he was the best QB in training camp by some way. He's going to get better but he needs time.
Hmm, "banned from doing it" You could be right Boomer, I watched the Steelers game, and Beck went through his progressions...twice...before he ran up the gut for the 1st down. On that play you could literally watch him swivel his head from left to right twice before he ran.
No offense to my favorite player of all time and the reason I became a Miami fan (living in Chiefs territory), but Dan's not necessarily the best person to ask these days. He's a guy that 2 years ago said Rex Grossman was one of the 5 best QBs in the NFL, simply because Rex had a few good games to start that season. Boomer E. and Shannon S. laughed at him at the time and it's even funnier now. I'd trust many opinions on this board over Dan's these days, mainly because it doesn't seem like he follows the game as closely as you'd think with his current jobs (always mispronouncing names, sometimes not even knowing who players are). With that said, Miami should add a QB to compete with Beck, hopefully in the 4th round or later unless a Woodson or Brohm somehow fell to the 2nd (though I might pass on them there too depending on who else is available). But like others have said, I liked a lot of what I saw from Beck. I think his main problem was the fear of making a mistake that Cam drilled into him and the ultra conservative and predictable play calling when Beck was behind center. Cam inadvertently set him up for failure in my opinion. I bet we ran on first down 80% of the time Beck was in there, with the likes of Chatman and Gado... yikes!
Giving up on Beck is absurd at this point. If they want to bring in another QB in the draft on the second day I'm all for it but there's no reason to pull the trigger on one early. The kid needs reps and experience bottom line.
Michael Jordan also picked Kwame Brown. My point? Being the best ever doesn't mean being a good coach nor being a good talent evaluator or personnel person. Look at Isiah Thomas . Dan Marino is the best passer ever but he hasn't shown me at all he is a good evaluator of talent.
Post of the year. The power of faith baby. I saw him produce at BYU and of course it must translate to the NFL. Call me Judas but I dont see the potential I was promised. Sorry I dont want to drink the koolaid just yet
Please dont compare Drew Brees and Peyton Manning. With Peyton, Eli, Cutler, Elway, etc you saw signs of greatness even in the mire of rookie miasma. Drew Brees is definitely a good comparison for Beck because he showed little in his rookie season. Lets stick to that comparison. Because you can always throw up stats to prove your point why we should keep Beck but anyone old enough to remember Peyton, Elway or Cutler in their rookie years will remember sparks of greatness here and there that Beck never displayed.
I've seen throws of possible greatness in Beck. Already. In 4 games. But we don't need him to be great.
