The O Line is heading the same way I try to run my warehouse, lots of flexibility, so no matter what happens the job still gets done.
You think that instead of paying a consistent and versatile player (Carey), that we should pay a guy with 1 OK season and who's never been a playmaker (Crowder), or go after a big money guy that just so happens to be coming off ACL and MCL surgery (Andrews)???? Yea, no thanks.
Why all this talk about Carey being able to play LT? He can't! He played one full season at LT and our OL was below average. Our offense finished amongst the last in the league and we finished 1-15. He can't pass block worth a lick. He can't even pass block at RT. In any high pressure situation against a half way decent defense he folded. Sure, I'll miss the fact that he's an above average run blocker, but I won't miss the whole Vernon Carey package. It's not that hard to replace, especially if he's going to be asking for a boatload of money. While I don't agree that Crowder is irreplaceable, he's harder to replace than Vernon.
It's really not hard to understand Chowder having his best year when this was his 1st year being a 3 down LB, if you still don't understand why he had so many tackles this year, then that's simple, he was on the field a'lot more this year then any other year. At some point this off season they have offered are top 5 FA's new deals, and the deals they offered them all will go up just before the start of FA, and if any of them would rather make a few more millions to play on some other team then they were never really " Dolphins " anyway. Last year Miami didn't offer any deal at all to Rex Hadnot, and he ended up taking a'lot less money then he thought he was worth and playing on a lesser team, but that ended up hurting Miami as well because we had to turn to a Rook that only played 1/16 of the year for us.So in the end it was a bad move for Rex and us, for him to move on. Hopefully this year all our FA's will better understand their worth and Bill bends a lil bit more.
Gosh guys I know news is slow but ........... good grief do you really believe all this garbage? I mean come on "an unnamed source who doesn't want to be named" "this agent" yea right. We had three guys that maned their positions all season while the rest of the stumble bums did squat and you want to get rid of one of those three while holding on to one of the bums. Where is the moxie in doing that? Are we going to let another home grown player, who by the way has been the ONLY staple on our o-line for the last 4 years, go play for someone else while we feel around in the dark in hopes we will luck out again. Everyone here is HOPING that our two guards come back and play good for the whole year but what if the same thing happens again and now we are back to only two returning players. You add to that picture the fact that some/most of you are calling for Satele's head also and now you only have one returning o-line for 2009. Is that really the way you want to rebuild this team by tearing down the o-line every year? Even worse what if Long gets hurt, what then? Keep Vernon Carey!!!!!!!
Carey in 07 was ranked 4th in run blocking with 5.05 YPC and only 3 sacks allowed out of 42 given up in 2007. The stats are in FO and here: http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=6778&team=15 The o-line as a whole was bad, true enough, Vernon Carey on the other hand played steller. In 5 years he's only allowed 16 sacks, ave 3.2 and 15 pen and 11 FS (8 and 7 of which were in 2007) Yea right, he's no good we can do better with a 6th round rook. PLEASE
Agreed Reefer, and what this means is that IF he is not retained, we likely will not fill one of the many other holes we have on this roster.. I still think they'll use the tag on him for one year and revisit things with him later. I have never gotten the impression that they weren't impressed with Carey. He is not the mauler they like at RT, but he's close and currently, he's our ONLY LT backup...
If there is any truth to the article and Carey is allowed to sign elsewhere then you can definitely add Jamon Meredith and Garrett Reynolds to the draft board.
Holy crap. I didn't mean to spark a civil war here. If you'll look back no where did I say that I wouldn't give the guy the money. I said they might not if they don't feel like he's worth it. I don't know if they feel like he's worth it or not. I did say that if they let him go they've got a plan, and I still think that. Continuity along the line is important as is a player who can play several spots, especially with these coaches. If anyone is worth the tag that isn't one of our other players (Bell, etc) it would be Carey. As you said slick he can play at both T spots and hasn't been injured. To me that's enough to pay him that much for the year and try to negotiate a contract; but maybe that's why I'm not a GM.
I'm talking up Carey and talking down Crowder, to be specific. And Bell should be a no-brainer. He needs to be signed.
lol i know bro, i hope they bring them all back. You know whats funny........... theirs some guy on this site that says he's a scout..............lol and he was saying in short that YB isn't that good of a player. So i went and read some of his old post on FH and their is no way in high hell that guy was ever a scout.
GRT8? And bell has a lot of tackles, but he dropped a few INTs that could have been game changers as well.
I think you also have to consider Loadholt at #44. If we indeed let Carey walk, I would hope that we make a serious push for Jason Brown in free agency. Moving Satele to guard is interesting because we already have the two starters from last year. Unless he beats one of them out, we essentially are moving him to the bench.
I totally disagree with why the blogger (or the agent) thinks Carey won't return. It has nothing to do with Miami not wanting him or thinking he's worth something. It's more about them thinking that Carey is not worth what he and his agent are asking for. It has been said that they are looking for LT money in the top 10 highest paid at that position. To me Carey is a good RT. He had one season that was not excellent but has been very solid otherwise. But if they want to be overpaid let someone else pay it....
A good RT is not easily replaced. That's just wishfull thinking. Easier than replacing a LT or Center? Yes but when you have a RT that is solid in both run blocking and pass protection its not going to be easy to replace him with someone who can be solid at both. Those who can do both real well are LT's usually. So I don't agree there but a RT should not be overpaid. The line should have two highly paid positions which are Center, and LT.
try to sign him to a long term deal that pays him 5 - 6 million.. If he wants more, well, I dont know, he isnt worth 9 though, thats for sure
Sorry but this is whats rediculous. Carey is absolutely a solid RT, and he is probably more versitile than any lineman on the team. He can play 4 positions on the LOS. Is he a top 5 RT? He's damn close. Crowder, being a tweaner or not, is horrible at times filling the gaps in a 3/4 defense. He is a pretty good tackler but hardly known for tackles at or behind the LOS. He gets killed with cutback runs way too much.
I'm not going to go into names here but any scout worth their salt would know Y.B. is one of the better SS in the NFL.
GRT8 was and still is a scout for the Redskins. Just because he does not share the same possible views on YB as others does not confirm otherwise. I seem to remember a team passing on Peyton Manning over Ryan Leaf. Is YB a good safety? Absolutely. Does he drop too many INTs? Absolutely. Up until this past season the same could be said for Will Allen as a CB. Pretty good in coverage but bricks for hands.
Yes sir!! Finding a playmaking ILB in a 3/4 might be harder to replace but finding another Channing Crowder will be the easiest and cheapest. imo
Better at tackling, maybe. But as I posted before he has a lot of tackles and dropped a few interceptions (check my D guide or NFL.com for specific stats he has no INTs but should have had a few). You have to look at the position and its responsibilities as a whole, IMO. YB is great at one spot (tackling) yet I think there's not a poster on here would disagree with the fact that he dropped a few INTs last year that could have been taken back to the house.
Thats the thing, Crowder isnt a playmaker, he's solid, (somewhat), but he's no playmaker... There are much better FA's and potential draftees that could be an upgrade over Crowder.. Now for the right price, I would like to keep Crowder in some capacity for good depth, but he surely isnt worth what he thinks he is
anyone? or anyone atleast have careys run blocking stats this year? hes not a very good run blocker IMO, it seemed his game stepped up at LT, i dunno if it was because he was facing more just pass rushers then run defenders or what, but every year besides his time at LT hes been below average IMO. He also gave up 4.5 sacks last year and got beat more often then that. i would want Carey back, but for the price hes most likely going to ask for, i could care less. hes lazy and over weight. come into camp at 325-330 and then ask for that kind of contract.
Every player has weak point in their game.Ed Reed is a better player, but he will miss on tackles from time to time. Every player has some weak points.
Reading comprehension is my friend. I thought the sentence before that was the speculation part, and I thought he was then saying that is what Carey and his agent were saying. D'oh!
lol Don't worry about it. We're all on the same page that nobody from Carey's camp has said or hinted at what kind of money he's looking for. The article is just "some agent" (could be me if I'm referring myself as an agent today) speculating on Carey leaving. Pretty irresponsible journalism IMO. Sadly, not suprising.
I agree that every player has weak points and strong points. I'm just saying he would be that much better if he would grab those INTs not that he's a bad safety. It's this or that. Would you rather have a S that tackles well or misses a few but nabs a few INTs (mainly rhetoric but you can answer if you want). For me tackling is more important than dropping INTs because if a S misses a tackle unless your corners can turn on the burners you're basically screwed for a TD. Look I can't play football at all so the fact that he's in the NFL alone is better than I could do I'm just pointing out what I see.
Well he was #9th this year with over 4.5 ypc while our rook (on the left side) was #20 with 3.99 ypc. http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol
Well i might not always word things correct either so sorry. I have herd it a few times on the radio and I believe it was mentioned in a speculative form in the Herald as well. But that is the word I've herd more than once. So if true he aint worth THAT. imo
