Speculation-Dolphins in Trade Talks with Cardinals?

You have to keep in mind how a defense plays Chad, I'm in a rush right now but I'll respond to this a bit later and I think ESPN might have a decent stat that would be a little more realistic, I'll have to check.

 

I would do it unquestionably. Having Anquan Boldin on our team this year would have led to a win against Baltimore IMO.

Not to ignite another argument but we spent a top ten pick on Ted Ginn and after his second season he is nowhere near Boldin in production or value to the team. I'm a big fan of Ginn, but IMO Boldin helps him take the next step.

We have a lot of holes on this team, but a true #1 receiver is one of them and I think Boldin at #25 will have a bigger impact over the next two seasons than any rookie.

 

It seems like every time I read an article on the web about him...

It might take...

* 1st & 3rd
* 1st, 3rd & 6th (Much like Williams trade with Dallas)

I am not reading anything about getting him for a 1st. So it does not appear an option...

 

While some other teams might bite on this i do not think parcells is willing to give up a first round draft pick in just his second season.

 

i will start off by saying Anquan Boldin is my favorite WR in the NFL. he can play WR, RB, and QB if he wanted to.

now to my thoughts...

Q:Is he worth the 25th pick over all?

A: YES. he is a top 5 WR in the NFL no question. he is still pretty young at age 28. (i am not saying we should trade our 25th pick for a player to fit our wildcat, but) he would be so dominant in the wildcat. he ran a little bit of it in Arizona. but, he is faster than Ronnie i believe, he is strong, has great vision, plus has a 10x better arm than Ronnie and that would add another weapon to the Wildcat. but, i would like him to play more of a WR role in Miami.

the question i think is...

Is he worth the 25th pick over all to Miami?

some people think, now that we just went 11-5, we have most of our team put together (pending some FAs), just went to the Playoffs. so they think that we shouldn't be in rebuilding focus anymore. they think now that we have proven ourselves, and with the coaching staff/personel we have that we are a couple off season moves away from a Super Bowl appearance.

others think, ya we just went 11-5 and to the playoffs, but we still have some holes to fill. RG, possibly RT, WR, NT, LB, S, CB, etc... and that we need to still be in a somewhat "rebuilding" mindset. and that we shouldn't be chasing after guys like Boldin or Housh and that we should keep every draft pick we have, get rid of the oldies like Holliday, Ferguson, and Porter and gain more draft picks to fill our needs in the next couple of drafts. Then we can think about going after some young talent via FA or trades.

to me- i am a little inbetween those 2 types of people. yes, i would like us to fill our holes and yes i say out with the old, in with the new (meaning more draft picks and bye bye Holliday/Porter), but i still want to win and not have to revert back to previous seasons, like 07. the thing about getting Boldin, is kinda a wash. we lose our 25th pick maybe, so we probably don't get an OLB in the draft, but Boldin fills our WR needs. we would just need to get maybe one guy like Devery Henderson in FA or something and our WR corps would be nasty.

Boldin
Henderson
Ginn - in the slot where i feel he belongs
Bess
London

that is solid. we have everything we need there. a true #1 WR that will bring attention. a deep threat. another fast WR, who i hope is developing into a deep threat. a reliable possession receiver. and a 6'5 giant.

i would say trade our 25th for Boldin. Porter may be good for another year or 2 with the fins, so next season we can focus on an OLB in the draft maybe.


(btw, i posted this same exact thing on another site)

 

Ginn has improved greatly in his route running, it's the fact that he's a long stride runner that hurts him in the slot.

 

No way in hell is Marshall a better WR than Boldin.

 

Roddy White is though.

 

How would Boldin have led us to a win?

 

Can somebody please provide a link to any published article that states Boldin can be had for a 1st round pick only.

I really could see them trading the 25th pick for him, IF their boarded graded out 2nd round talent at #25. But nothing more...WR is not our biggest weakness.

I would love to see him come here for a 1st...but it is going to take MORE THAN A 1st. That is when he is no longer an option for Miami. I could be wrong no doubt about it. But it would be a long shot at best.

 

Here is my TOP 15...

1) Larry Fitzgerald
2) Calvin Johnson *
3) Andre Johnson
4) Randy Moss
5) Steve Smith
6) Anquan Boldin
7) Brandon Marshall
8) Terrell Owens
9) Reggie Wayne
10) Roddy White
11) Greg Jennings
12) Marques Colston
13) Wes Welker
14) Braylon Edwards
15) Dwayne Bowe

* I hope he does not waste his career with the Lions. This guy is a beast waiting to attack.

 

First and a fourth would be fair. First and a third...it's fair, but I'd hesitate on that one if I were our FO. We have a lot of needs, and we can't be spending two high picks on one WR. Maybe if we sew up a couple of really good defensive FAs...

 

Id have to put Houshmanzadeh or Chad Johnson in there somewhere. Welker is great between the 20's but can't hold a candle to most of those guys in the Red Zone.

 

Eh... thats too much IMO.. Maybe one of our second's and a player (obviously not a starter or even good back-up) A 2nd and Beck?

 

Sorry for the late reply

The air yards statistic that's on that site is bunk IMO, he bases those stats on attempts which penalize QB's who throw the ball away instead of taking a sack, QB's who throw screen passes, etc, it's too imperfect to take seriously. There is a stat on ESPN however that is pretty good, in each QB's profile there is a category called Splits that breaks down every pass into some pretty interesting categories. And to my surprise, Pennington actually is pretty accurate on the deeper throws, although as I have been saying all along, he doesn't attempt them nearly enough because of his lack of arm strength (I have a Parcells quote to back this up).

I did a really quick search and compared Penny to Cutler, although you can compare his numbers to any of the other QB's.

Pennington



Cutler



As you can see, Penny faired pretty well when throwing the ball more than 20 yards, but didn't attempt anywhere near the number of those passes that a guy like Jay Cutler, who has a much stronger arm, did (attempts: 80 to 19). That stat is a bit alarming to me, Pennington only completed 7 passes that he threw more than 21 yards, our long game is severely limited. Penny knows his physical limitations and has to pick his spots, even when the defenses dare him to beat them downfield. Parcells said as much during his Sirius interview.

Right, having players that can get yards after the catch is important, but when your QB isn't able to stretch the defense with his arm and they cheat play the run, that space on the field that a WR has to make plays shrinks significantly. I wouldn't expect Boldin to come in here and put up the same type of numbers that he has in Arizona (where he was the #2), not only would he be double teamed, but the field would get smaller limiting his ability to get those YAC.

To me, it just isn't worth it to spend a 1st rounder on a guy that won't be as effective, especially when we have a guy that may be able to put up numbers in this offense that are just as good as what Boldin might be able to put up. Ginn is progressing well, his career so far has mimicked that of Steve Smith of Carolina in terms of numbers. I think we owe it to him and to ourselves to see if he can take the next step. Looking at Pennington's numbers (7 completions of 21 yards or more), there is no logical reason to expect Ginn to excel as the number two deep threat WR. Putting him into that role will stunt his growth in a year when he should be taking the next step.

 

To L2G

Do you think that Penny starts past this coming year? Boldin is 28, I can see picking him up now (if the deal is right) with the understanding that Henne is the near future and would make full use of and benifit hugely from having WR like him. On the other hand, if the plan is to build a team for Penny to win with, there are other areas that require much more attention.

 

Short answer is, I don't know.

Alot depends on how he plays this year and how much Henne has progressed since last year and during next season. I can definitely see him starting next year and doing well and coming back for one more year. Beyond that is anyones guess, he could get injured tomorrow and that would change everything. If Henne shows that he deserves to be out there, the coaching staff may very well work him into the lineup.

My gut says that the FO rides Penny until he breaks down, the problem is that could be 3 or 4 years from now. He's a very good game manager and it's hard to just toss a guy like that off to the side for an unknown. The Dolphins had a 3 year plan to build this team into a contender, replacing Pennington with Henne just for the sake of change could derail everything that this FO has set out to accomplish and we could be in the same situation that the Jets now find themselves in.

 

It's all wishful thinking about getting him for a 1st. He will cost a lot more than just a 1st.

I could see the FINS and about 10 or so other teams willing to give a 1st, but the Fins will not be sending the house for one player this season.

Chad will not be the Starting QB in Miami 2 seasons from now...So I don't think they are going to pass on any WR that can help this team in the future, as long as the PRICE IS RIGHT.

Unfortunately the price is NOT RIGHT for Boldin.

 

i would gladly give our First round pick for Boldin

 

I agree with you on all points.
One thing that no one has discussed with regards to Pennington's health is how much effect Parcells' off season work out program may have on his ability to stay healthy.
Doesn't Parcells have a very specific program designed to put the player in position so as to minimize injury?
Obviously nothing will completely do away with the risk. But if Pennington buys into his program then he has at least a better chance of staying healthy throughout.

 

I know you're a young 'un.....you won't remember these commercials, but..
Your post just caused me to remember Isotoner commercials. Marino was a spokesman for them and his schtick was he "took care of the hands that took care of him by giving them Isotoner gloves for Christmas".
But yeah, Jake should only get better and more dominant - I hope he becomes an annual pro bowler as well as All Pro.

 

Boldin is a top 5 WR. no doubt in my mind. he started 11 games this year and had 89 rec. 1038 yards, and 11 TD. Steve Smith started 14 games and had 78 rec. 1421 yards, 6 TD. Brandon Marshall started 15 games and had 104 rec. 1265 yards, 6 TD. i would agree that Andre Johnson, Fitzgerald, and Randy Moss are better WRs than Boldin, but not Marshall and not Smith.

plus, Boldin is a complete package. he, in my mind is the most versitile player in the NFL. he is one of the top WRs in the league, he rarely gets brought down after first contact, and can even throw the ball. so, he can receive, run, and throw.... wildcat?

so, not only Boldin would be our #1 WR, but he would be a perfect fit in our wildcat if we plan on using it at all in 09.

and your comment on the Ginn thing...wow

Ginn lived in the underneath route/possession world this season. he went deep like 4 times the entire season. yes, we had Chad Pennington as our QB who can't throw the ball like JaMarcus Russell, but Penny's arm is extremely underrated. Ginn has also really improved his route running since being in the NFL.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ghns37TLUY"]YouTube - Anquan Boldin goes after Cards Off Coordinator Todd Haley[/ame]

class act right there^