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Alex Rodriguez Tested Positive For Steroids 2003

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Phins28, Feb 7, 2009.

  1. FaninPatsyLand

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    I agree. For me, this is no big deal.

    Also, I'm no doctor, but I thought it was reported that the primary benefit from steroids in a baseball sense was a quicker recovery time from injuries and fatigue?

    If that's true, I'm far more interested to see the arms (on a rotation or coming out of the bullpen) on any potential list of guilty parties.

    I think it might finally reveal just exactly how Mr. Rivera has been able to perform at such a high level for such a long time. :lol:
     
  2. Higgi

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    AROD admits to using the roids
     
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  3. HardKoreXXX

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    Ironic, considering guys like Chipper Jones and Key Griffey Jr. have been knocked for being "injury prone". Scary to think what kind of numbers Chipper and Griff could've put up (assuming they are both clean)
     
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  4. SICK

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    exactly what someone would need to hit 755+ homeruns in a career......longevity
     
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  5. PMZQ

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    Now there is one I REALLY LOATHE !:tantrum:

    He used to live next door to one of my best friends, and he along with his scumbag twin brother Ozzy, used to terrorize the neighborhood, especially their next door neighbors, the Hoodenpyles (Johnny Hoodenpyle was one of my best friends in Jr and Sr high). I was on SW 22nd Street and Johnny and the Canseco's were on SW 19th.
     
  6. PMZQ

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    Yeah some folks think that the steroids were mainly abused by hitters, but I heard earlier today, that of the players in the majors and minors that have been suspended due to steroids, only 55 were hitters, but 140 were pitchers.

    Steroids were used to recover more than bulk up.....that was only a side benefit.
     
  7. PMZQ

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    Those are two I actually do believe are clean
     
  8. PMZQ

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    There are a ton of masking agents, and trust me, the athletes know exactly what they are, and how to use them.
     
  9. SICK

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    saw a poll on espn asking if it guarenteed a 250 million contract would you take performance enhancers? and the poll leaned heavily to "yes".....who wouldnt? there needs to be a more structured penalty....or every kid on the block will be shooting up to get an advantage....its sad....he will probably only get a flick on the wrist....and to kids they say "pfffttt thats it? hell yea shoot me up some more"

    the pro's outweigh the con's 10-fold and it will not cease to be relevant untill the penalties get more strict for steroid abusers
     
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  10. PMZQ

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    Sick let me ask you a question, and I know you played on a high level (compared to most of us). To make it as far as you did, playing on a college team, you were probably always the better athlete on whatever team you played on, or one of the best throughout your schooling, did you ever feel the need to still be even better and use steroids even though you were already better than everyone else ?
     
  11. PMZQ

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    By the way I ask that, because A-Rod says he felt pressure, even from himself to always perform better.
     
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  12. SICK

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    i did feel that way.....and i did....use....

    i took a cycle of Winny-V in shot form....i felt so dirty and i felt low....because i trusted my abilities....but even the pressure of division 2 football was huge....i had 2 guys i played with go to the nfl.....one (david jones) was drafted in the 4th or 5th round and is the nickle corner for the bengals....so i realized i could make it pro....regardless of what school i went to....and its tough to "get noticed" at that level....so of course it was completley agreeable....the pressure was huge....my friends had all used....and all told me the great benefits of it...and got it for me for cheap...

    its a decision i hate to this day....and am not completley comfortable talking about it....but i just wish i could go back i time. i had no side effects...but the risk is too great....and kids arent seeing enough negatives abuot steroids to steer them away....they are easily accesible...they see these roided men sellign jerseys, getting models, mansions on mtv cribs and making millions....and everyonce in awhile they see a comercial saying your balls could shrink and you could get acne.....kids are laughing....kids are not taking the issue seriously....i was one of those kids...and its terrible.
     
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    damn
     
  14. HardKoreXXX

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    I played college baseball so Im gonna answer this question as well.

    I never took performance enhancing drugs nor did I consider taking them. I knew guys that did and some ended up playing Pro Ball. I can tell you this, no one is forced into taking steroids.
     
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  15. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    :up:Exactly, same for me from College Days thru ML Carolina League action of the late 80's to early 90's until injuries (off the field no less...hahaha...ouch) ended my run. Listen, I had a blast and never once thought Roids were the answer or short cut (even fighting to return from injury).

    To any and all that use it, personally I feel, its a weak mind that makes this a strong answer for those that choose! And weaker still to deny and avoid owning up to it!
     
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  16. steveincolorado

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    Nothing against you are anybody that likes baseball, I just don't care for it. Anybody caught cheating should be dealt with and not just a slap on his butt.

    :hi5:


    Now that A-cheat has said that he took roids, he should be stripped of all his stats and be suspended for atleast a year....IMO
     
  17. Dannyg28

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    for using steroids when they weren't banned from baseball? can't suspend him or rip away his stats(which the MLB wouldn't do since there isn't literally a giant record book where they keep all the stats) if steroids weren't banned by MLB
     
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  18. Finfangirl

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    One: arod was caught when PED's werent tested for or illegal in MLB. He has been clean since 2003. He was put through rigorous testing while playing for the olympic team and was found clean everytime.

    two: Having worked as a trainer in professional sports (minor league baseball) I actually saw people using PED's. Not all injectable either. In fact the motto was "If you're not cheating, you're not trying".

    I dont blame arod for trying something - he knew it was wrong, he knew he didnt need it and he stopped. Now he has admitted it and apologized, lets move on.
     
  19. PMZQ

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    Damn that was interesting Sick. Tell me did you see a big difference when you took that cycle ? Did it make a big difference ?

    I agree with you that its really treated as a joke. Schools do virtually nothing to stop it, and the coaches just about stick the needles in the athletes asses from what I hear.

    Sick what do you think can be done to change the culture of performance enhancers ? Also I know you have a son, will you tell him you took steroids volunteerily or will he have to ask you when that time comes ?
     
  20. PMZQ

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    Harcore, how close did you come to doing them ? Also what was it that caused you NOT to do them (other than the obvious that they can cause harm if abused) ?
     
  21. PMZQ

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    Also Hardcore where did you play bro ? I'm a huge college baseball fan, been a Hurricane season ticket holder since before I went to school at Miami (1978-82).

    I also should admit that I started a cycle of Enanthate 500 cc's a week for 6 weeks and then cut the cycle off. I was doing two shots a week (Monday and Thursday), 250 cc's in the thighs. Was supposed to go 12 weeks, followed by 10 days of clomid to restart the testes, and ward off the gyno.

    I was never an athlete, and I didn't start lifting until I was 38, but yet I also felt the pressure at the age of 41 to at least try it, and see what I could do. I wanted so badly to bench 2 plates, and never did get it. For some of you guys that might sound like a crap weight, but remember I was never an athlete but the skinny nerdy guy who eventally became the skinny nerdy guy with a fat beer gut :lol:

    I stopped when my panic & anxiety disorder started getting a lot worse. I also saw pimples all over my body like I was 15 years old. I got some shrinkage, but not a lot. I suspect because of my age, my test levels were already low.
     
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  22. NJFINSFAN1

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    I love the headlines that A-Rod comes clean, Did he?

    He starts out by saying he did it, than says he didn't know what he was doing, than said he didn't tell Couric the truth because he didn't know he did it. And than says Gene Orsa (Sorry if spelled wrong) called him and told him in 2004 that he may or may not have tested positive??? And than he never asked again????

    Oh brother, this guy is a walking talking PR train wreck!
     
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  23. NJFINSFAN1

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    Would he have if he wasn't caught lying??? He had many chances to come clean, his interview with Katie C, after Canseco's book came out.

    And did he come clean?

    He is a walking talking train wreck.

    He has caused every problem he has gotten into.

    And its a shame, because he had the talent to be one of the greatest, and now we will never know.
     
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  24. finfansince72

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    I don't know, are you talking about the Peter Gammon's interview? I thought he was about as forthcoming as you could expect from someone in his spot. It was a lot better than the silly excuses from people like Andy Petit, 'I only did it because I was injured' or the complete denials from Clemens or Bonds or McGwire. He did admit to taking steriods and said it was a dumb mistake, that he was trying to keep up with everyone. Honestly, I think he said about as much as he had to, I don't really have a problem with what he said at all.
     
  25. NJFINSFAN1

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    Katie Couric, he flat out denied it.
     
  26. PMZQ

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    Well just as insincere as ever......he says he did it in 2001, because he was young, and naïve ? :confused: What ????? He had already been in the majors for 6 years.....FU Alex, you were a lot of things, but young and naïve were not two of them :pity: Does he really think we are all idiots ? :tantrum:
     
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  27. PMZQ

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    This is the worst of it....he didn't have to do the steroids, we all know he is the best talent in 2 generations. Its a real pity because it could take another 2 generations to produce someone of his talent level.
     
  28. PMZQ

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    He also denied it in Dec 2007 right after the Mitchell Report came out. Katie Couric asked him straightout on a 60 Minutes interview. So he also is a bold faced liar on top of a cheater.
     
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  29. finfansince72

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    Well I don't blame him on either account to be honest. I find the fan reaction a little bit more than naive, I think we understand at this point that baseball was basically overrun by steriods and that just about every major player was taking them as well as most pitchers. The interview I saw today was pretty honest and upfront, he apologized. Sometimes I think people wouldn't be satisfied unless some guy commits suicide or something. He admitted taking them, why he took them and the time line that he took them and apologized which is more than any player I can think of. Yes he was caught and thats why he admitted to it but considering theres federal investigations, illegal drugs involved and fan backlash not to mention risking millions of dollars in contracts and endorsements I can't blame a player for denying using them. He also didn't throw anyone else under the bus which is more than can be said about some of the other players.
     
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  30. finfansince72

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    You mean he denied it while there was a federal investigation and no reason to implicate himself? You really blame him for this? Everyone has the right to not incriminate themselves. I'd listen to my lawyer in his case if I was him, probably what he did then and now.
     
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  31. King Felix

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    yes i did. he barely gained any weight his whole career. especially after the katie couric interview :sad:
     
  32. King Felix

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    wow. are you really gonna rip him for that.....:no:
     
  33. NJFINSFAN1

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    Yes, I am. The guy is a phony, always has been, always will be. He is a walking talking train wreck.

    Its a shame as I said, he had loads of talent, but he will always be remembered for all the other crap (Madonna, Jeter, his divorce, A-Fraud, enhancing drugs etc), not his baseball skill, and he has only one person to blame for it all, himself.

    Not one part of me feels sorry for him.

    He said he lied to Couric because he thought the stuff he took was okay? Come on, I have a bridge to sell you.
     
  34. NJFINSFAN1

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    Here is a good read.

    O'Connor: If Yanks had integrity, A-Rod would be fired
    Monday, February 9, 2009

    Roberts has more credibility in her pinkie toe than Rodriguez has in his artificially enhanced body, and A-Rod’s attempt to assign his Single White Female obsession with Derek Jeter (courtesy of Joe Torre’s book) to Roberts’ professional reporting on his steroid use — reporting he confirmed, of course — did nothing to bolster the ballplayer’s case.

    In fact, this was A-Rod’s most credible claim to Gammons: “I was stupid. I was an idiot.”

    Better to put that in the present tense.

    Rodriguez has scripted his own big, fat Greek tragedy. How can the Yankees possibly build the next nine seasons around this admitted fraud?

    http://www.northjersey.com/sports/OConnor_If_Yanks_had_integrity_A-Rod_would_be_fired.html
     
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  35. HardKoreXXX

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    I never came close to doing them tbh. Part of it was because I was a pitcher. I realize that MANY pitchers still used HGH and other PED's to gain stamina and help recover, but I never saw it that way.

    I think my main reasoning for not doing them was the risk/reward factor. I was playing Division II NCAA baseball so it would've taken alot for me to get noticed. Maybe if I was "one step away" things may have been different...
     
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  36. SICK

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    absolutley!

    that was in 2007......he had taken them knowingly from 2001-2003....where he averaged 59 HRs a seaosn.....his other 10 seasons he has avgs 39 homeruns :up:

    coincidence?
     
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    First off i'll reply to your 1st question do i beleive he should have come clean to Katie Couric. Hell NO - Why? In the middle of an investigation, that might lead to implicating himself. NO WAY. Now, If it were Barbara Walters i might say yes.

    Two: Ms Roberts was the woman who broke the Duke lacrosse story/scandal - she has absolutely no credibility as far as im concerned and yes she might have been right this time, but she still has not issued an apology to those boys or anyone else. Also, she is writing a book about Arod - an unauthorized biography and has now been escorted off the UM campus twice while trying to stalk him.

    If she had any credibility at all she would have released the other 104 names and not just the "BIG" on on the list, who just happens to be the guy she's trying to defame. Alex is an idiot on all accounts, I agree with that. But, put yourself in that place. 225 million dollar contract and everyone of the pressures to stay the best and turn a franchise around. Look who was in the dugout with him - Palmiero - The PED czar.
     
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  38. SICK

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    shes credible now.....she breaks a story and arod confirms in days later :up:
     
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  39. unluckyluciano

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    somewhat credible. completely? no.
    1million monkeys can write the works of shakespeare, its probability.
     
  40. NJFINSFAN1

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    More credible than A-Rod, that's for sure.
     
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