I'm not sure how watching a teammate on TV from a couple of thousand miles away is bonding. Had be been in camp learning the new defense with his teammates, then I could understand, but watching a guy on TV while you work your butt off is not bonding.
i just think this whole thing got butchered by the media. they manipulate a situation and leads the reader to think people become sworn enemies. its just a bunch of guys trying to to the best jobs they can.
Now, I'm not saying he was talking about Taylor (But I think he was) but didn't Holiday come out and say something like we got rid of players that were not on the same page and got rid of the complainers?
I don't remember to be honest, I'll check around. If he did, what that tells me is that noone wanted to offend Taylor when they thought he may be coming back, but once he was gone they were able to speak their mind a little more.
Does that make up for the loss of Taylor on the field? I've heard of "phoning it in", but that's ridiculous. If Jason had stayed and we were in a 4th quarter 3rd and 5 scenario, would Taylor and his teammates be able to use those phone conversations and text messages to stop the opposing offense, or do players learn from practicing and gel as a group because of that earlier preparation? Bottom line, even if he kept in touch the way highschool friends do when they leave for college (calls, emails, texts), that doesn't make up for the hard work that Taylor blew off to further his acting career. Parcells wants players who live and breath football, Jason's head had been elsewhere for a while and he didn't fit into what Parcells and Co. were looking for. So this rumor has very little weight to it, I doubt that Taylor will ever play for the Phins again with Parcells and Co. in charge.
" Sporting News Radio " is a national 24 hour am sports...........And has been been around Since 1993. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporting_News_Radio They use to be "One on One Sports" It's kind of hard to believe your talking about them as a out-of-town radio show when they have been all over the U.S. for over 16 years now. Send Jason Cole an email and ask him. http://sports.yahoo.com/top/feedback?author=Jason+Cole
Its still bonding, he said bonding. Now is it enough, well thats a different argument. Does not change the fact that 1) jt was obviously already well bonded with his teammates and 2) he was still continiuning to bond with some of them by sharing his current feat or whatever you wish to call it with them. im not saying he will or won't be back here.
I have heard of them before, but how close are they to the whole situation. I know Cole used to write for the Sun-Sentinel, but he hasn't been down here for several years. I wonder if he heard something 2nd hand or did he personally hear from the horses mouth ? That is why I question what was said.
we were talking about the team, not staff and you knew that, and to be very clear, your definition of bonding is very different than mine. You've apparently bonded with everyone on the phone.. and standing in line at Burger King and Publix.. I suss this out from your belief that bonding happens with coaches that were told he wanted out over the plone. My version takes actual time together. Your arguement grows weaker by the response grasshopper. We have eaten alive all your misconceptions, he did what we said he did and nothing brought to the table has show even a remote chance of disproving us.
I heard that too Greg and wasn't sure either.. I was thinking it was Truck, Rex, and Jason .. but I don't really know.
No I didn't. I assumed you were talking about the team as a whole. If you were to take my argument and run with it then yes I guess that is my definition. My definition is communication of some time, and sharing your personal life even if it is by using an electronic device. My argument is strong which is why most are throwing garbage back at me. Your argument is based on speculation as well as mine so no yours is not more substantiated then mine. I have brought plenty to the table none of which you guys have actually had anything relevant to say against it.
it's hard to beat up nonsense, but we ARE kicking yer butt all over the forum.. you ignored my posts just so you could say that nonsense again.. football players do not bond when one of them is dancing 3000 miles away instead of learning football with his team mates. That is ROCK solid.. no speculation whatsoever.. period
sure you are. Lets see your butt kicking 1) I am naive and know no better, 2) I am just being argumentative and 3) My speculation is not as good as your speculation. Right. Real butt kicking there, whats your definition of butt kicking it must differ from mine. I did no such thing. If you want them to bond on the field that is a different issue, if you want them to bond more so then there is argument, but to say there is no bonding when there have been reports of them sharing jts personal endeavor with him is nonsense. Rock solid, no speculation what so ever. If its not enough for you then say so.
That day he said he heard it from a few different people and he made it sound like them 3 people were JT his wife and his agent.Because no 3 people would know for 100 percent for sure about what had happen in the past........As far as JT asking to be traded the year before. And Cole knew what JT was doing every hour of every day in LA, so it was ether JT,his Wife, and his agent,or their family or his best friends that told Cole. I wish everyone could of heard it cuzz Cole was calling Bill parcells a flat out liar,,,,,,,,saying Bill is in the lying business and that he was in the telling truth business. Every thing Cole said turned out to be the truth, just like Cole said it would.So i'd find it odd he lie about the year before about JT saying he wanted out. Jason Cole was also on 790 and wqam saying the same things on " Miami radio " I'm not breaking new news here other have said that they heard it as well. PS [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqu7tcZTfCg"]YouTube - I Can't Live Without My Radio - LL Cool J[/ame]
I guess it's how we define "team" and "bonding" versus how you define it. For me I want my player to be committed to the team, to be there for every practice and every meeting, to take pride in working hard and sweating everyday while working towards a common goal. That's how I define bonding as a teammates, what you're describing is bonding as a friend, which is totally different. Leaving the team in limbo and focusing on his post-football career while he was still under contract to the Miami Dolphins is selfish and disrespectful to his teammates. Look at it this way, how can Jason Taylor think that he's more important to a team than a player who is fighting for a roster spot and who busts his *** during camp? IMO the player that took the time to practice, study and sweat is more dedicated to the team than the guy twinkling his toes on TV, even if his overall talent level doesn't make him the better player. Individuals don't win games, teams do and that's what Parcells and Co. want to build...a team that practices together, sweats together, fights together and wins together. Primadonnas with future acting aspirations need not apply.
this is becoming annoying.. stop changing the definition of bonding to suit your arguement, you know full well what we meant and you change it everytime we defeat your argument.. Everyone but you is using MY definition of bonding and you can't allow that or then you have nothing but Jason love left.
I have never changed my definition. I have stuck with the definition of bonding. Maybe its not your definition, but you being you does not make you right. You trying to tell me what I have or have not done is getting annoying as well. Maybe your jason taylor hate has clouded you to that fact.
I love ya Lucky.. and with that I step away from this discussion. I didn't love you at first, but after YEARS of bonding I love ya now.. peace brother!
I am talking about bonding on a personal level. yes I think jt was already bonded to/ and probably bonded more on a personal level. No, I do not think he bonded as much as he could have. well he shouldn't have missed the otas I will admit that. The other voluntary stuff I was never too worried about.
my apologies if I seemed misleading I had no intention to.............. love you back bro.....................although I always liked you
Even from a Dolphin fans view i deemed it non-productive when it came from a purely football view. I wasnt impressed. Leave dancing to the glitter brigade. Still love JT though because of what he brought to the table. If he wants to see his last season out here im for it if hes serious. If hes going to cause disruption then i will pass.
I find it ridicules how some are defining JT's career by missing one minicamp. Ludicrous! Way to bash arguably the best DE the Dolphins ever had....bravo people.
So you all "think", presume, assume, conject, and hypothesize and hence come to some conclusion that JT was a locker room cancer and didn't want to be a Dolphin anymore. No proof...no link?
You mean the same way your saying he wasn't? As Marty said read the whole thread. I have said I loved JT while he was here, I lost a ton of respect for him last year. Is that why I don't want him back? No It's time to move on, we need to get younger, bigger and stronger. He won't want to come in as a backup pass rusher and he won't want to sign cheap. Also his injuries last year are a major concern, when an older player gets hurt, they often are not the same player again, and he got hurt more than once last year. Those are the reasons I don't want him back.
I read the whole thread. No facts whatsoever. I only see speculation. Not one person presented a FACT that JT: 1. DEMANDED a trade or he would hold out. 2. was a locker room cancer. 3. or was a complainer or whiner who was being detrimental to the team. Show me one fact. I could imagine that JT requested a trade to play for a playoff team but nothing more. If you don't want him to due you health, performance or age...fine. But people should not character assassinate a person based on speculation.
Most likely not, I think he is done, the injuries scare me. I was a bigger Zach fan than Taylor, I wouldn't take Zach back now either. I just think its time to move on. I would much rather draft a young guy and look at maybe a Suggs.
It's obvious you haven't read and comprehended the thread or you wouldn't have posted this. Reread my posts.. no speculatuuon, just fact.
I think by him not getting into camp and the workouts was detrimental to the team. You had new coaches, a new direction and he was not there. Yes that was detrimental, not only to the team, but also his health as we saw this year. It seems Parcells felt the same way. Could I be wrong, sure, but I don't think so. As I have said, I lost a ton of respect for him and the way he handled things last year. But that's not why I don't want him back.
I re-read your posts. The only fact you presented was that he missed minicamp. Everything else you presented was speculation. I can admit he wanted to play for a playoff team. Even that is speculation on my part. But so what?!?! If you are on your last 1-2 years you want a Superbowl ring.
The bold IS speculation. You just speculated so this is not a FACT!!!! If missing mini camp is detrimental could he not have made up for it durin training camp and preseason? July and August. Brandon London was added to the team when exactly?
So because a player puts up great numbers that means that he's immune to criticism? There is plenty of proof, you just choose to ignore it. Anyone who has watched this team for the past few years has heard Taylor hinting at retirement every offseason (keeping his teammates in limbo and potentially scaring away FA's), they've heard Taylor give less than positive comments about Beck and Green to the media when he was supposed to be a leader, they saw Taylor on the sidelines last year yelling at Cam, they heard him tell reporters that he had a better relationship with Saban when reporters asked about Cam, they heard Sparano give a presser announcing that Taylor informed him that he wasn't going to participate in any minicamps, workouts or training camp because he was more interested in furthering his post-football career while under contract to the Miami Dolphins. All of this information is out there and well documented, there is nothing speculative about it. I don't care how good a player is, noone is above criticism if it's warranted, and the way Taylor handled the last offseason he deserves it.
It's not, it's supported by the fact that Parcells refused to acknowledge Taylor when he walked into the room where Parcells and Co. were breaking down video and the fact that the Dolphins traded him. No he couldn't make it up because he refused to even attend training camp, Sparano said as much in his presser which was posted here already. Had you read the whole thread like you said you would also have seen Taylor's comments where he says flat out that he didn't feel that he had to be there to prepare or learn a new defense because "we aren't reinventing the wheel". That's fact, there is no arguing that.
